To All, Thank you all for taking the time to email me your kind words. I know that each of you are sincerely happy for me as I have been when I read that someone has found family. It has been a day and half and I still keep tearing up and I cannot stop smiling. I feel like the child that got that special gift on Christmas morning. I pray that all of you searching for family will soon be rewarded with that 'email' or 'letter' from Poland. I have truly been blessed. Lorraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Ellis" <polska.research@gmail.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Finally It's My Turn > What a wonderful and fulfilling story. I'm very happy for you. Your > story > brings tears to my eyes. > > Step one in researching is to never give up. If you give you, undoubtedly > you have failed. > > This weekend I have begun to search to help a 90 year old woman find > family > in Poland. I found all of them concentrated in the Warsaw area. The name > is not found in any other part of Poland. There are even telephone > listing > in the city of Warsaw for her family name. Maybe she will also be lucky. > > Tina Ellis > > > > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:34 AM, lorraine <lorr42no@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I just have to share. After all these years of searching for relatives >> in >> Poland I can finally say someone has been found! >> >> So many people over the years have asked why I have not given up but my >> answer is that everyday technology is changing, the world is getting >> smaller >> and smaller plus in many ways in Europe things are moving much faster >> than >> here and I just knew if I kept at it - then one day - just like yesterday >> morning - I will find that email or when I go to the mailbox - there will >> be >> a letter from Poland. >> >> A few months ago, using the social group http://nasza-klasa.pl/ I found >> a >> lovely woman in my grandparents' birth village and we have been emailing. >> It has been quite an adventure since I do not speak Polish and she does >> not >> speak English. She has been trying to locate family for me. Viola's >> mother-in-law thought she knew some of my family but I would have to wait >> until she visited where they now live. She visited this past week. She >> told of how I have been searching for family. >> >> I keep tearing up. I was told that my cousin cried too, hearing someone >> in America has been trying find them. They do not do not have a >> computer. >> So I guess I'll be using the Post Office. And fortunately for me, my >> cousin's granddaughter speaks English. >> >> My cousin is Jadwiga must in her 80's.. A few years ago I found that her >> father had been murdered by the Nazi's in the Stutthof Concentration >> Camp. >> No one here in America knew this. He was my Grandpa's only brother. >> Jadwiga sent me via my Polish friend, Viola copies of two photos. Wow, >> what >> a family resemblance! She only has one picture of her father and so do >> I. >> Imagine how pleased I was when I saw the photo was not the same one I >> have. >> You can bet I'm sending her a copy of my picture of her father. >> >> The only sad thing about this is that my mother did not live long enough >> to >> see that I have succeeded in finding cousins in Poland and that there is >> someone in Poland that looks just like her. Sadly, my Mom passed this >> past >> October. I like to think that knowing my obsession, somehow Mom was able >> to >> help from the other side. >> >> Whenever someone in the group would write to tell us of their finding >> family I have to admit besides being thrilled for them there was that >> little >> bit of jealously. When would it be my turn? Well it was yesterday! So >> please do not give up. You too, will one day, get that email or find >> that >> letter in your mailbox. >> >> Lorraine >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lorraine, Brings tears for me as well, congratulations! If you have the precise url of the website that disappeared, you still may be able to access archived copy of it at the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine: http://web.archive.org/ you may have to paste the url of each link on that site into the search box, but it is worth it if you can find what you want there. On 1/31/10, lorraine <lorr42no@verizon.net> wrote: > ... I received his papers via email yesterday afternoon. I have busy > calling and emailing relatives and have not had a chance to attempt > translating them. They sort of look like I found on the internet years ago. > Unfortunately that website is no longer available. > Lorraine

Hi Tina - Thanks so much for your very comprehensive reply! First of all, I did a search on Google for "Lwow Polish Journal" - there were no results. All that we know about it is from the quote in Rutkowska in my original message. A cursory search for "University of Lwow", as far as any history of the early-mid 1800s is concerned, yielded nothing; entries were almost entirely confined to the 20th Century. (I may dig a little deeper - there were several more pages...). My posting was so long already I didn't mention a lot of things that would have helped considerably. This may have saved you a lot of work in my behalf. (So sorry for my oversight and lack of clarity!). I spent a few weeks visiting Krakow, Tarnow, and Tuchow in 2004 - unfortunately, I didn't have a visa for Ukraine so we were unable to pursue any info about the possible earlier origins of the family of my 3rd g.grandfather, Jozef *Tysowski/Tyssowski. With the help of a local researcher/genealogist (Adam Jedryka) we found and photographed several Parafja/Katedra records in the Liber Natorum, Liber Copulatorum, and Liber Mortuorum (Zamiescie-Burek, Zablocie, etc.), so, much of our information, from Poland at least, is already documented. We even found "house numbers" - not sure if these could be associated with street names. *One of the clues from the Liber Copulatorum (Book of Marriages) of 1807 in the Parafja Sw. Jokuba (St. James Parish?) in Tuchow was that the groom's surname was spelled "Tysowski", with one "s" - all later occurrences of the surname in Poland and in the U.S. are spelled with two "s"s. (As I may have forgotten to mention, the one "s" spelling is prevalent in Western Canada (Saskatchewan), probably representing an as yet unconnected branch of the family). I have not attempted to do any archival research about Lwow, nor had I any idea that records from Lwow might already have been microfilmed at LDS - and no, this is certainly not redundant information! The links you kindly provided may prove to be very helpful - I will check them out. The LDS URLs for Tarnow and Tuchow may also be useful for finding further information we may have missed in 2004. The priests, while generally cordial and very helpful in bringing us the dusty tomes from the shelves, did not seem to have a lot of extra time - appointments with them had to be scheduled in advance We of course left them with a small gratuity for their time and effort, which is customary. The Polish archives site may also be helpful, although we don't have any information at all about where, exactly, they may actually be from (the name of the province, parish, or a nearby village?), just that Jozef worked in Lwow around 1805-1820, and his son, Jan, went to the University of Lwow in the early 1830s (after his father's death, which tends to further confirm the suspicion that family origins may date back to Lwow). From the records in Tarnow and Tuchow we can be nearly certain they must have been Catholic. Thank you very much for your kind response and the helpful links! My apologies again if my earlier omissions may have caused any misunderstanding or inconvenience for you. As soon as one of Jan Tyssowski's numerous descendants in the U.S. wins the lottery, we will be booking tickets for Ukraine, post-haste! (Are we entitled to two trips of a lifetime?). Regards, Frank > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 09:32:30 -0800 > From: Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PBS] TYSSOWSKI/TYSOWSKI > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <f0f3f15e1001310932s5c89a50du34461450a4792a18@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm not quite sure what this Journal is about that you want. Suggestion: > Try http://www.google.com and run a search with quotes ... "Lwow Polish > Journal". See if that brings up what you want. > > I have no idea where you may have searched for old records from Lwow. You > did not mention that, so if this is redundant, please accept my apologies. > The LDS have old records, which they have microfilmed from Lwow. This > list > pretty much covers Lwow: > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=67925&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Lw%C3%B3w%2C+Lw%C3%B3w+%28Lw%C3%B3w%29&columns=*,0,0 > > They also have records for the Roman Catholic parish in Tuchow covering > the > years you are researching. It's possible they married in Tuchow, if this > was indeed the parish at the time she married. > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=616430&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Krak%C3%B3w%2C+Tuch%C3%B3w+%28Tarn%C3%B3w%29+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 > > This is what they have for Tarnow: > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=67342&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Krak%C3%B3w%2C+Tarn%C3%B3w+%28Tarn%C3%B3w%29&columns=*,0,0 > I take it that you meant the city of Tarnow. You much understand that > Tarnow was the provincial capital of the province of Tarnow and would have > been in the county of Tarnow. If these do not help try their catalog for > other places in Tarnow: > http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearch&columns=*,0,0 > > There is also the Polish archives site. They have a catalog. > http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en They will do searches > for you, but they do not do searches on words like maybe and possibly. > You > need to be specific, and must state the religion, since records are filed > by > that and their parish. They charge by the hour for searches and have fees > for documents. > > With the LDS you order their microfilm and rent them for a fee. You can > copy all the records you want from the film yourself at a minimal cost. > They are a non-profic organization, so their costs are minimal. > > Hope this helps you. > > Tina Ellis > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Frank Johnson <paco@gbis.com> wrote: > >> List - >> >> My g.g.grandfather was Jan TYSSOWSKI (1811-1857), a political figure in >> the >> short-lived 1846 Revolution of Krakow. He was jailed by the Austrians, >> escaped, and was later recaptured and exiled to the U.S. in 1847. >> >> We have reasons to suspect that the origins of this family may be found >> in >> Ukraine, specifically in Lviv/Lwow. Jan Tyssowski's father, Jozef >> Tyssowski >> (abt. 1779 - abt. 1820), also spelled TYSOWSKI, lived and worked in Lwow >> and >> was apparently a "local official, translator, and editor of the >> gubernatorial mandates published in the Lw?w Polish Journal, who died >> while >> John [Jan] was a mere boy" (Rutkowska 1943). The date of Jozef's death >> is >> estimated to be about 1820, as Jan was born in Tarnow in 1811. Jozef's >> wife >> (Jan's mother) was Pelagia PACIORKOWSKA (1790-1879); her grave is in >> Tarnow >> but her birthplace is not known with certainty (possibly in Tuchow, a >> short >> distance S of Tarnow). Jozef & Pelagia were married in Tuchow in 1807 - >> interesting that their marriage was "blessed by the Bishop from Kielce, >> the >> administrator of the Tarnow Diocese" - unsure of the possible >> significance >> of this. >> >> These are some of the several clues we have to the possible origins of >> the >> Tyssowski/Tysowski family - Lwow seems to have been a frequent and >> repeated >> resort of the Tyssowskis, a place of strong familial ties: "... >> Tyssowski >> [John/Jan] entered the University of Lw?w where he obtained his degree in >> philosophy and studied law for three years" (ibid.., p. 30). It is later >> stated, after spending some time in Vienna where he "received the >> doctorate >> of law in 1835", that "...homesickness drove him back in 1839 to Lw?w" >> (ibid.,. pp. 33-34). >> >> [Sister M. Neomisia Rutkowska, Ph.D., was a scholar who wrote a detailed >> biography, "John Tyssowski", published by the Polish Roman Catholic Union >> of >> America, Chicago, 1943]. >> >> Does anyone have any knowledge of the "Lw?w Polish Journal"? Are there >> perhaps any records of this journal known to exist? Might there be any >> early records of the University of Lw?w? How would I go about finding >> possible birth/death records in Lwow for Jozef Tyssowski/Tysowski? >> Perhaps >> he, or someone in the family, once owned property or paid taxes there... >> >> Has anyone had any success in finding out if this sort of information >> might >> be available in Lviv/Lwow? >> >> Although John/Jan Tyssowski & his wife, Antoinette/Antonina LENSKA >> (1818-1892) produced a large progeny which is fairly well documented in >> America, this is our 'brick wall' which has stymied us for many years. >> >> Any suggestions or help in pursuing this would be very much appreciated! >> >> Thank you in advance, Frank >> >> >>

Lorraine, I am happy you have had success. What is your cousin's father's last name. I had a cousine Jaskolski who was in Stutthof until it was liberated. If you contact the Museum at Stutthof you might be able to get some paperwork on your cousin. I got the release papers for my cousin. Kuba On Jan 31, 2010, at 12:34 PM, lorraine wrote: > Hi All, > > I just have to share. After all these years of searching for relatives in Poland I can finally say someone has been found! > > So many people over the years have asked why I have not given up but my answer is that everyday technology is changing, the world is getting smaller and smaller plus in many ways in Europe things are moving much faster than here and I just knew if I kept at it - then one day - just like yesterday morning - I will find that email or when I go to the mailbox - there will be a letter from Poland. > > A few months ago, using the social group http://nasza-klasa.pl/ I found a lovely woman in my grandparents' birth village and we have been emailing. It has been quite an adventure since I do not speak Polish and she does not speak English. She has been trying to locate family for me. Viola's mother-in-law thought she knew some of my family but I would have to wait until she visited where they now live. She visited this past week. She told of how I have been searching for family. > > I keep tearing up. I was told that my cousin cried too, hearing someone in America has been trying find them. They do not do not have a computer. So I guess I'll be using the Post Office. And fortunately for me, my cousin's granddaughter speaks English. > > My cousin is Jadwiga must in her 80's.. A few years ago I found that her father had been murdered by the Nazi's in the Stutthof Concentration Camp. No one here in America knew this. He was my Grandpa's only brother. Jadwiga sent me via my Polish friend, Viola copies of two photos. Wow, what a family resemblance! She only has one picture of her father and so do I. Imagine how pleased I was when I saw the photo was not the same one I have. You can bet I'm sending her a copy of my picture of her father. > > The only sad thing about this is that my mother did not live long enough to see that I have succeeded in finding cousins in Poland and that there is someone in Poland that looks just like her. Sadly, my Mom passed this past October. I like to think that knowing my obsession, somehow Mom was able to help from the other side. > > Whenever someone in the group would write to tell us of their finding family I have to admit besides being thrilled for them there was that little bit of jealously. When would it be my turn? Well it was yesterday! So please do not give up. You too, will one day, get that email or find that letter in your mailbox. > > Lorraine > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Kuba Przedzienkowski

Hi All, I just have to share. After all these years of searching for relatives in Poland I can finally say someone has been found! So many people over the years have asked why I have not given up but my answer is that everyday technology is changing, the world is getting smaller and smaller plus in many ways in Europe things are moving much faster than here and I just knew if I kept at it - then one day - just like yesterday morning - I will find that email or when I go to the mailbox - there will be a letter from Poland. A few months ago, using the social group http://nasza-klasa.pl/ I found a lovely woman in my grandparents' birth village and we have been emailing. It has been quite an adventure since I do not speak Polish and she does not speak English. She has been trying to locate family for me. Viola's mother-in-law thought she knew some of my family but I would have to wait until she visited where they now live. She visited this past week. She told of how I have been searching for family. I keep tearing up. I was told that my cousin cried too, hearing someone in America has been trying find them. They do not do not have a computer. So I guess I'll be using the Post Office. And fortunately for me, my cousin's granddaughter speaks English. My cousin is Jadwiga must in her 80's.. A few years ago I found that her father had been murdered by the Nazi's in the Stutthof Concentration Camp. No one here in America knew this. He was my Grandpa's only brother. Jadwiga sent me via my Polish friend, Viola copies of two photos. Wow, what a family resemblance! She only has one picture of her father and so do I. Imagine how pleased I was when I saw the photo was not the same one I have. You can bet I'm sending her a copy of my picture of her father. The only sad thing about this is that my mother did not live long enough to see that I have succeeded in finding cousins in Poland and that there is someone in Poland that looks just like her. Sadly, my Mom passed this past October. I like to think that knowing my obsession, somehow Mom was able to help from the other side. Whenever someone in the group would write to tell us of their finding family I have to admit besides being thrilled for them there was that little bit of jealously. When would it be my turn? Well it was yesterday! So please do not give up. You too, will one day, get that email or find that letter in your mailbox. Lorraine

Congratulations!!! Isn't that the greatest feeling to have found relatives in the ancestral land?  Two years ago I was fortunate to have located relatives of my maternal grandmother.  One of them was in Warsaw and I'm guessing her age to be 80+.  She was more excited than I was when we first met.  Her exuberance and vitality was astonishing.  One of the comments she made after we spent some time together was how surprised she was that it had taken such a long time for the "American family" to contact relatives in Poland.  After my maternal grandmother died in the early 70s, no contact was maintained.  Now if only I could find relatives of my maternal grandfather and paternal grandparents.   I know you will enjoy reviving contact with your new found relatives.    --- On Sun, 1/31/10, lorraine <lorr42no@verizon.net> wrote: From: lorraine <lorr42no@verizon.net> Subject: [PBS] Finally It's My Turn To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 12:34 PM Hi All,  I just have to share.  After all these years of searching for relatives in Poland I can finally say someone has been found! So many people over the years have asked why I have not given up but my answer is that everyday technology is changing, the world is getting smaller and smaller plus in many ways in Europe things are moving much faster than here and I just knew if I kept at it - then one day - just like yesterday morning - I will find that email or when I go to the mailbox - there will be a letter from Poland.  A few months ago, using the social group http://nasza-klasa.pl/  I found a lovely woman in my grandparents' birth village and we have been emailing.  It has been quite an adventure since I do not speak Polish and she does not speak English.  She has been trying to locate family for me.  Viola's mother-in-law thought she knew some of my family but I would have to wait until she visited where they now live.  She visited this past week.  She told of how I have been searching for family.  I keep tearing up.   I was told that my cousin cried too, hearing someone in America has been trying find them.  They do not do not have a computer.  So I guess I'll be using the Post Office.  And fortunately for me, my cousin's granddaughter speaks English. My cousin is Jadwiga must in her 80's..  A few years ago I found that her father had been murdered by the Nazi's in the Stutthof Concentration Camp.  No one here in America knew this.  He was my Grandpa's only brother.   Jadwiga sent me via my Polish friend, Viola copies of two photos.  Wow, what a family resemblance!   She only has one picture of her father and so do I.  Imagine how pleased I was when I saw the photo was not the same one I have.  You can bet I'm sending her a copy of my picture of her father.  The only sad thing about this is that my mother did not live long enough to see that I have succeeded in finding cousins in Poland and that there is someone in Poland that looks just like her. Sadly, my Mom passed this past October.  I like to think that knowing my obsession, somehow Mom was able to help from the other side. Whenever someone in the group would write to tell us of their finding family I have to admit besides being thrilled for them there was that little bit of jealously.  When would it be my turn?  Well it was yesterday!  So please do not give up.  You too, will one day, get that email or find that letter in your mailbox. Lorraine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a wonderful and fulfilling story. I'm very happy for you. Your story brings tears to my eyes. Step one in researching is to never give up. If you give you, undoubtedly you have failed. This weekend I have begun to search to help a 90 year old woman find family in Poland. I found all of them concentrated in the Warsaw area. The name is not found in any other part of Poland. There are even telephone listing in the city of Warsaw for her family name. Maybe she will also be lucky. Tina Ellis On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:34 AM, lorraine <lorr42no@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi All, > > I just have to share. After all these years of searching for relatives in > Poland I can finally say someone has been found! > > So many people over the years have asked why I have not given up but my > answer is that everyday technology is changing, the world is getting smaller > and smaller plus in many ways in Europe things are moving much faster than > here and I just knew if I kept at it - then one day - just like yesterday > morning - I will find that email or when I go to the mailbox - there will be > a letter from Poland. > > A few months ago, using the social group http://nasza-klasa.pl/ I found a > lovely woman in my grandparents' birth village and we have been emailing. > It has been quite an adventure since I do not speak Polish and she does not > speak English. She has been trying to locate family for me. Viola's > mother-in-law thought she knew some of my family but I would have to wait > until she visited where they now live. She visited this past week. She > told of how I have been searching for family. > > I keep tearing up. I was told that my cousin cried too, hearing someone > in America has been trying find them. They do not do not have a computer. > So I guess I'll be using the Post Office. And fortunately for me, my > cousin's granddaughter speaks English. > > My cousin is Jadwiga must in her 80's.. A few years ago I found that her > father had been murdered by the Nazi's in the Stutthof Concentration Camp. > No one here in America knew this. He was my Grandpa's only brother. > Jadwiga sent me via my Polish friend, Viola copies of two photos. Wow, what > a family resemblance! She only has one picture of her father and so do I. > Imagine how pleased I was when I saw the photo was not the same one I have. > You can bet I'm sending her a copy of my picture of her father. > > The only sad thing about this is that my mother did not live long enough to > see that I have succeeded in finding cousins in Poland and that there is > someone in Poland that looks just like her. Sadly, my Mom passed this past > October. I like to think that knowing my obsession, somehow Mom was able to > help from the other side. > > Whenever someone in the group would write to tell us of their finding > family I have to admit besides being thrilled for them there was that little > bit of jealously. When would it be my turn? Well it was yesterday! So > please do not give up. You too, will one day, get that email or find that > letter in your mailbox. > > Lorraine > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm not quite sure what this Journal is about that you want. Suggestion: Try http://www.google.com and run a search with quotes ... "Lwow Polish Journal". See if that brings up what you want. I have no idea where you may have searched for old records from Lwow. You did not mention that, so if this is redundant, please accept my apologies. The LDS have old records, which they have microfilmed from Lwow. This list pretty much covers Lwow: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=67925&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Lw%C3%B3w%2C+Lw%C3%B3w+%28Lw%C3%B3w%29&columns=*,0,0 They also have records for the Roman Catholic parish in Tuchow covering the years you are researching. It's possible they married in Tuchow, if this was indeed the parish at the time she married. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=616430&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Krak%C3%B3w%2C+Tuch%C3%B3w+%28Tarn%C3%B3w%29+%2D+Church+records&columns=*,0,0 This is what they have for Tarnow: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitydetails&subject=67342&subject_disp=Poland%2C+Krak%C3%B3w%2C+Tarn%C3%B3w+%28Tarn%C3%B3w%29&columns=*,0,0 I take it that you meant the city of Tarnow. You much understand that Tarnow was the provincial capital of the province of Tarnow and would have been in the county of Tarnow. If these do not help try their catalog for other places in Tarnow: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localitysearch&columns=*,0,0 There is also the Polish archives site. They have a catalog. http://baza.archiwa.gov.pl/sezam/pradziad.php?l=en They will do searches for you, but they do not do searches on words like maybe and possibly. You need to be specific, and must state the religion, since records are filed by that and their parish. They charge by the hour for searches and have fees for documents. With the LDS you order their microfilm and rent them for a fee. You can copy all the records you want from the film yourself at a minimal cost. They are a non-profic organization, so their costs are minimal. Hope this helps you. Tina Ellis On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Frank Johnson <paco@gbis.com> wrote: > List - > > My g.g.grandfather was Jan TYSSOWSKI (1811-1857), a political figure in the > short-lived 1846 Revolution of Krakow. He was jailed by the Austrians, > escaped, and was later recaptured and exiled to the U.S. in 1847. > > We have reasons to suspect that the origins of this family may be found in > Ukraine, specifically in Lviv/Lwow. Jan Tyssowski's father, Jozef Tyssowski > (abt. 1779 - abt. 1820), also spelled TYSOWSKI, lived and worked in Lwow and > was apparently a "local official, translator, and editor of the > gubernatorial mandates published in the Lwów Polish Journal, who died while > John [Jan] was a mere boy" (Rutkowska 1943). The date of Jozef's death is > estimated to be about 1820, as Jan was born in Tarnow in 1811. Jozef's wife > (Jan's mother) was Pelagia PACIORKOWSKA (1790-1879); her grave is in Tarnow > but her birthplace is not known with certainty (possibly in Tuchow, a short > distance S of Tarnow). Jozef & Pelagia were married in Tuchow in 1807 - > interesting that their marriage was "blessed by the Bishop from Kielce, the > administrator of the Tarnow Diocese" - unsure of the possible significance > of this. > > These are some of the several clues we have to the possible origins of the > Tyssowski/Tysowski family - Lwow seems to have been a frequent and repeated > resort of the Tyssowskis, a place of strong familial ties: "... Tyssowski > [John/Jan] entered the University of Lwów where he obtained his degree in > philosophy and studied law for three years" (ibid.., p. 30). It is later > stated, after spending some time in Vienna where he "received the doctorate > of law in 1835", that "...homesickness drove him back in 1839 to Lwów" > (ibid.,. pp. 33-34). > > [Sister M. Neomisia Rutkowska, Ph.D., was a scholar who wrote a detailed > biography, "John Tyssowski", published by the Polish Roman Catholic Union of > America, Chicago, 1943]. > > Does anyone have any knowledge of the "Lwów Polish Journal"? Are there > perhaps any records of this journal known to exist? Might there be any > early records of the University of Lwów? How would I go about finding > possible birth/death records in Lwow for Jozef Tyssowski/Tysowski? Perhaps > he, or someone in the family, once owned property or paid taxes there... > > Has anyone had any success in finding out if this sort of information might > be available in Lviv/Lwow? > > Although John/Jan Tyssowski & his wife, Antoinette/Antonina LENSKA > (1818-1892) produced a large progeny which is fairly well documented in > America, this is our 'brick wall' which has stymied us for many years. > > Any suggestions or help in pursuing this would be very much appreciated! > > Thank you in advance, Frank > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You are right Frank, if anyone would like to read a compelling book about the deaths that occurred in the Ukraine read, "Holocaust by bullets" by Father Patrick Desbois. It gives you chills to read it. Leah Hammer innkeeper4u@olympus.net

Frank: Was your wife's name Louise? your son Brian?  Was she from rural Withee WI Chris --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Frank Johnson <paco@gbis.com> wrote: From: Frank Johnson <paco@gbis.com> Subject: [PBS] Amazing Art from Ukraine To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 9:02 PM It's a toss-up whether Hitler or Stalin killed more people in Ukraine during WWII - both were directly responsible for the deaths of many millions of innocent civilians.  The country was totally devastated.  The atrocities committed by Stalin are only recently coming to light in the West.  "Both were guilty of war crimes and genocide in Ukraine on such a massive scale that they are virtually unequaled in history". . [http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-19.html] My TYSSOWSKI ancestors are from Lwów/Lvív in the region once called "Galicia" in southeastern Poland.  This included a large part of what is now western Ukraine.  I will always regret that I didn't have the necessary visa to visit Ukraine when I was in Poland in 2004. It's not hard to understand why the work of this talented artist provoked such profound emotions in her audience.. Please take time out to see this amazing piece of art. http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=vOhf3OvRXKg This video shows the winner of "Ukraine's Got Talent",  Kseniya Simonova, 24,  drawing a series of pictures on an illuminated sand table showing how ordinary people were affected by the German invasion during World War II.  Her talent, which admittedly is a strange one, is mesmeric to watch. The images, projected onto a large screen, moved many in the audience to tears and she won the top prize of about $130,000.00.  She begins by creating a scene showing a couple sitting holding hands on a bench under a starry sky, but then warplanes appear and the happy scene is obliterated.. The Great Patriotic War, as it is called in Ukraine, resulted in one in four of the population being killed with 8 to 11 million deaths out of a population of 42 million. Kseniya Simonova says:  "I find it difficult enough to create art using paper and pencils or paintbrushes, but using sand and fingers is beyond me.  The art, especially when the war is used as the subject matter, even brings some audience members to tears. And there's surely no bigger compliment." Frank ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List - My g.g.grandfather was Jan TYSSOWSKI (1811-1857), a political figure in the short-lived 1846 Revolution of Krakow. He was jailed by the Austrians, escaped, and was later recaptured and exiled to the U.S. in 1847. We have reasons to suspect that the origins of this family may be found in Ukraine, specifically in Lviv/Lwow. Jan Tyssowski's father, Jozef Tyssowski (abt. 1779 - abt. 1820), also spelled TYSOWSKI, lived and worked in Lwow and was apparently a "local official, translator, and editor of the gubernatorial mandates published in the Lwów Polish Journal, who died while John [Jan] was a mere boy" (Rutkowska 1943). The date of Jozef's death is estimated to be about 1820, as Jan was born in Tarnow in 1811. Jozef's wife (Jan's mother) was Pelagia PACIORKOWSKA (1790-1879); her grave is in Tarnow but her birthplace is not known with certainty (possibly in Tuchow, a short distance S of Tarnow). Jozef & Pelagia were married in Tuchow in 1807 - interesting that their marriage was "blessed by the Bishop from Kielce, the administrator of the Tarnow Diocese" - unsure of the possible significance of this. These are some of the several clues we have to the possible origins of the Tyssowski/Tysowski family - Lwow seems to have been a frequent and repeated resort of the Tyssowskis, a place of strong familial ties: "... Tyssowski [John/Jan] entered the University of Lwów where he obtained his degree in philosophy and studied law for three years" (ibid.., p. 30). It is later stated, after spending some time in Vienna where he "received the doctorate of law in 1835", that "...homesickness drove him back in 1839 to Lwów" (ibid.,. pp. 33-34). [Sister M. Neomisia Rutkowska, Ph.D., was a scholar who wrote a detailed biography, "John Tyssowski", published by the Polish Roman Catholic Union of America, Chicago, 1943]. Does anyone have any knowledge of the "Lwów Polish Journal"? Are there perhaps any records of this journal known to exist? Might there be any early records of the University of Lwów? How would I go about finding possible birth/death records in Lwow for Jozef Tyssowski/Tysowski? Perhaps he, or someone in the family, once owned property or paid taxes there... Has anyone had any success in finding out if this sort of information might be available in Lviv/Lwow? Although John/Jan Tyssowski & his wife, Antoinette/Antonina LENSKA (1818-1892) produced a large progeny which is fairly well documented in America, this is our 'brick wall' which has stymied us for many years. Any suggestions or help in pursuing this would be very much appreciated! Thank you in advance, Frank

Tina, my ancestor was born in 1843, not 1943. The name was Raduge. Thanks, Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <polandbordersurnames-request@rootsweb.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:01 AM Subject: POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26 > > > When replying to a letter, which is in the digest format, please delete > the other letters out of your message. Please, also, change the subject, > so the person to whom you are replying understands that your reply is for > him/her. > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: German areas now Poland (Tina Ellis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 23:40:40 -0800 > From: Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [PBS] German areas now Poland > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <f0f3f15e1001252340h1ec7792di735411362b68c89e@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hello Ann, > > Since your immigrant relative was born in 1943, his record of birth should > still be in the Civil Registry. Stegers is now called Rzeczenica. > > I used this site to find it: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_placenames_in_the_Province_of_Pomerania > > This is their address: > > Urzad Gminy Rzeczenica > Czluchowska 26 > 77-304 Rzeczenica > Polska - Poland. > > You will need to write your letter in Polish. Check out the form letters > that the PGSA has on their site at http://www.pgsa.org. That's the Polish > Genealogical Society of America. > > If you can get his birth record, it will tell you how old his parents > were. > Records for them may also be in the same place. It probably wouldn't hurt > to ask for them also. Records over 100 years old are sent to the state > archives. > > Good luck. > > Tina Ellis > > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ann Bradford <genie@iwaynet.net> wrote: > >> My ancestors came from Stegers, West Prussia which is now Polish. Any >> research suggestions for this area? Where would I look for records? >> They >> were Lutheran & my immigrant Carl Rad?ge was born in 1843. >> >> Thanks, Ann >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES list administrator, send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES mailing list, send an email > to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 5, Issue 26 > *************************************************** >

Ann For Your Stegers records Check out the link at http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Just fill in all of the blank windows that You can , in the country blank window click on the r/h side and a lot of countried will drop down for You to pick out the country , and then click the "search" window. Karl Roussin =========================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Bradford" <genie@iwaynet.net> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: [PBS] German areas now Poland My ancestors came from Stegers, West Prussia which is now Polish. Any research suggestions for this area? Where would I look for records? They were Lutheran & my immigrant Carl Radüge was born in 1843. Thanks, Ann ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tues Feb 9, 2010 Ron Wencer - Will speak on "How Many left Deviatnyky?" - a look at the magnitude and impacts of emigration from a Galician town in the years before WWI. >From 7:30 – 9:30 pm St Vladimir Institute. 620 Spadina Avenue, Toronto. Contact: (905)-841-6707 There is parking at the rear of the building accessible via a laneway running south off Harbord Street. There is also metered parking on Spadina Avenue.

Barb.....google Doombromil, Poland for its location! John -----Original Message----- From: polandbordersurnames-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:polandbordersurnames-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb & Spence Gludish Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:35 PM To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Subject: [PBS] Hujsko Dombromil Poland I am looking for some direction. I have anecdotal info that a Ukrainian relative was born in 1911 in Weiska??? near Hujsko Dombromil Poland. He indicated to family that he fled to Canada to to avoid conscription into the army but was worried about reprisals to his family left behind Although he spoke Ukrainian and indicated that was his heritage he associated with Polish assistance groups when he arrived in Toronto Canada in 1926. He changed his name and I have no knowledge of the original family name or details about the birth family. Was there a town call Weiska? My spelling may be wrong. Did this area change from Polish to Ukrainian control and back again over time? What port would he arrive from? I would appreciate any help Cheers Barb in Toronto ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am looking for some direction. I have anecdotal info that a Ukrainian relative was born in 1911 in Weiska??? near Hujsko Dombromil Poland. He indicated to family that he fled to Canada to to avoid conscription into the army but was worried about reprisals to his family left behind Although he spoke Ukrainian and indicated that was his heritage he associated with Polish assistance groups when he arrived in Toronto Canada in 1926. He changed his name and I have no knowledge of the original family name or details about the birth family. Was there a town call Weiska? My spelling may be wrong. Did this area change from Polish to Ukrainian control and back again over time? What port would he arrive from? I would appreciate any help Cheers Barb in Toronto

Ann, There's some good background reading to get started here: https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland Kind regards, Bronwyn. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Ann Bradford <genie@iwaynet.net> wrote: > My ancestors came from Stegers, West Prussia which is now Polish. Any > research suggestions for this area? Where would I look for records? They > were Lutheran & my immigrant Carl Radüge was born in 1843. > > Thanks, Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Ann, Since your immigrant relative was born in 1943, his record of birth should still be in the Civil Registry. Stegers is now called Rzeczenica. I used this site to find it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_placenames_in_the_Province_of_Pomerania This is their address: Urzad Gminy Rzeczenica Czluchowska 26 77-304 Rzeczenica Polska - Poland. You will need to write your letter in Polish. Check out the form letters that the PGSA has on their site at http://www.pgsa.org. That's the Polish Genealogical Society of America. If you can get his birth record, it will tell you how old his parents were. Records for them may also be in the same place. It probably wouldn't hurt to ask for them also. Records over 100 years old are sent to the state archives. Good luck. Tina Ellis On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ann Bradford <genie@iwaynet.net> wrote: > My ancestors came from Stegers, West Prussia which is now Polish. Any > research suggestions for this area? Where would I look for records? They > were Lutheran & my immigrant Carl Radüge was born in 1843. > > Thanks, Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Found using a google search. http://www.genealoger.com/german/pommern/pommern__polish_records.htm These are the archives from which the LDS microfilmed. Archiwum Panstwowe w Koszalinie Oddzial w Slupsku <http://www.koszalin.ap.gov.pl/> ul. W. Lutoslawskiego 17 76-200 Slupsk, Poland E-mail: apslupsk@interia.pl <mailto:apslupsk@interia.pl> Telephone: 011 48 59 842 54 13 google translator: http://translate.google.com/?hl=en# Regards, Mary Ann Bradford wrote: > My ancestors came from Stegers, West Prussia which is now Polish. Any research suggestions for this area? Where would I look for records? They were Lutheran & my immigrant Carl Radüge was born in 1843. > >

The Mormons have only microfilmed civil records from 1874 to 1884, so information about your grandparents and their descendents, but after their birthdates and only for a decade. Use place search to search for Stegers. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Description: Civil registration of births, marriages and deaths of Stegers, Westpreusen, Germany; now, Rzeczenica (Czluchow), Koszalin, Poland. Includes the towns: Forstenau, Gotzkau, Konitz, Steinforth etc. Text in German. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=119608&disp=Zivilstandsregister%20%20&columns=*,0,0 Click View Film Notes at top of screen to see microfilm to order. Regards, Mary Ann Bradford wrote: > My ancestors came from Stegers, West Prussia which is now Polish. Any research suggestions for this area? Where would I look for records? They were Lutheran & my immigrant Carl Radüge was born in 1843. >