Hi Everyone, I have been to Poland three times since 2000 and I have to agree with Rose. They go very fast in the small towns, villages and big cities. It is frightening. We were in all parts of Poland. My husband's cousin did the driving most of the time. It takes a long time to get anywhere because of the traffic on the two lane roads. It always surprised me that the Polish people drive so aggressively when they are not like that in their normal lives. Joni Wasilewski ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I guess I forgot to say where I found it. This was on the Ancestry.com website, where Mary said it was. Send your other relatives names, and I see if I can find them for you. Tina At 09:13 PM 7/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Tina-----WOW--------this is exciting. I have searched passenger lists >with no luck. How did you locate this. Possibly I could locate other >relatives of mine. I saw the manifest on your succeeding email. Thank >you very much........charles > >Tina Ellis <vellis@jps.net> wrote: The ship manifest shows that Walenty >Lokowiak was born in Germany. He came >over on the ship Maasdam from Rotterdam, Netherlands, arriving April >22,1891. There is no place shown on the manifest as a specific place of >birth. He was 26 years old. > >Tina Ellis > > >At 02:32 PM 7/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: > >Dear list purveyors > > > > My grandfather Valentine (Walenty) Lukowiak came to America around 1890 > > from somewhere in Poland/Prussia (possibly near Golejewko, Wielkopolskie > > ). He was born about January 18, 1866 and died in Macomb Co, MI August > > 25, 1946. > > > > He was married three times, having all of his children with the first > > wife, Katherine Rosinska (1869-1925). The 1920 census for Detroit, Wayne > > Co, MI lists the following children at home: ---Stella (25)--cigar maker > > at cigar factory , Joseph (23)--salesman in poolroom, Mary (21)--cigar > > maker in cigar factory, Celia (19)--inspector in auto factory, > > John--(Heine) (17)--helper in foundry, Alex (15), Antoinette (12), > > Frances (10), Edward (7), Leonard (9 mo) > > > > I have not been able to find any info on how Valentine came to America > > (I have searched many passenger lists), where he grew up in Europe or > > anything about his ancestors. > > > > Any insight into the history of my grandfather that you might be able > > to provide would be very much appreciated. Charles Chinoski-Chase > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At first when I drove in Poland, it was very unnerving to me. It reminded me of when Pennsylvania had three lane highways. The middle land was for passing. The two outside lanes used that one middle lane. Am I dating myself? I do not think they have them anymore. In Poland, they pretend they have a middle lane for everyone to pass. In some areas there were solid lines in the middle, which to me means that no one should be passing. They used it for passing anyway. I saw no accidents. Although benzene is more expensive, I found that the mileage the 2006 Ford Focus, which I rented, got better mileage than my American 2002 Ford Focus. The first time I went to Poland we traveled mostly on paved roads. My cousins took me to Szeszkupka and Wodzilki, which have unpaved roads. That area is a high tourist area, and the roads are well maintained. This time I rented a car, drove myself to several other remote villages. There was no rain, and the roads were okay. Most of them were of decomposed granite, which is like riding on thicker granules of sand. It drains very well. I could tell in some low areas, which were in forests as probably having drainage problems in the winter. The soil had more loam and decomposed matter in it. NE Poland has a lot of granite outcroppings. There are many lakes, which were formed in the iceage. It's very beautiful. When I came back from my first trip to the Suwalki area, I told everyone it reminded me of the Amish country in Lancaster, PA. NE Poland is all rolling hills and many lakes. They call it the Polish Siberia. Wizajny is usually the coldest place in Poland in the winter. We have a cousin, who recently married a man from Stankuny, not far from Wizajny. They are almost next to the Lithuanian border. Those hills are a lot taller than the rolling hills south of that. Tina Original Message: ----------------- From: Jack and Rose thankgod@optonline.net Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:30:23 -0400 To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PBS] Driving in Poland Hi Sandra The drivers in Poland are absolutely crazy and daredevils LOL They drive on an average of about 95 miles an hour,,, on two lane " expressways" One lane each way.... so its a STREET TO ME IN THE USA and these little cars PASS THREE 18 Wheeler trucks at the same time with ON COMING TRAFFIC... (Oh God was great and certainly protected us while we were there, prayers certainly were heard and answered) Thank God we had our wonderful friend Anna driving us all around... We did take a few taxi's around Warsaw and that was okay. But I could not imagine renting a car and driving around Poland I grew up in the NY METRO AREA and I thought we were " Crazy nutty drivers" Route 22 in New Jersey, especially for those that know what I am talking about.....and also thining about the Taxi Drivers in Manhattan..........but these people drive worse than we do. I read in a newspaper in Warsaw on the average there are 47,000 ( yes thousand) car accidents each year in Poland and many are FATAL..and. I can see why... but on the " good side" they have their steering wheels like us in the US on the LEFT SIDE OF THE CAR... not like other countries in Europe.. So if you dont have family or friends to drive you around in Poland, I highly recommend hiring private drivers ( private tour guides) or tour buses They are everywhere....and available. There is also mass transit ( these buses and trolly cars in Warsaw) but they are PACKED LIKE SARDINES and very hot and cramped. So we did not try that................... Gasoline ( "Benzyna") is VERY EXPENSIVE,, and we in the USA have NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR GASOLINE PRICES! In Poland,,, its around 4+ Zloty per liter,,,,, if you think you need 4 liters to make a gallon of gasoline ( thats 4x4=around $16 zloty) its about $16-18 USDollars per GALLON.....................So one can see why mass transit is what most residents of Poland use to get back and forth to work. One US dollar is worth about 3 times( or a little less) of what a Polish Zloty is worth,,, so US Dollars go very far..... So I hope that answers some of your questions Sandra Ask away if you have any more God bless you all Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra" <skbdesign@yahoo.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland > Hi Rose, > > Glad you had a wonderful experience! > We would like to go to Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , > how did you get around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than > driving in Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in > Poland. > > Thanks, > Sandra in sunny CA > > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote: > Hi Noreen > Thanks for asking > IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... > > LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of > traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe > > We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw > EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it > We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before > What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... > > Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I. > > Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and > some Northern Sections of the country) > And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... > > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to > the > rye, wheat farms in Poland > > Hugs and God bless you all > Rose Zydel Olson > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! > > >> Hi Rose, >> Welcome back and how was the trip? >> Noreen >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >> AOL >> at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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couple corrections: gas in Poland costs ca. $5.00-6.00 per gal (and not $16) - but anyway is still much more expensive then in the USA public transportation is as crowded in the rush hours as in NYC - not big difference - but you can get anywhere at little cost in Poland there is right side traffic - the same as in whole Europe - save UK Rgs Chris Kopczynski On 18/07/07, Jim Presenkowski <jimpres1@mac.com> wrote: > > Rose, > > I beg to differ with you. Very few drive that fast on the good roads > let alone the smaller two lane roads. > And gas is expensive about 6 US dollars per gallon. > > > Jim > > > On Jul 18, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Jack and Rose wrote: > > > Hi Sandra > > > > The drivers in Poland are absolutely crazy and daredevils LOL > > They drive on an average of about 95 miles an hour,,, on two lane " > > expressways" One lane each way.... so its a STREET TO ME IN THE USA > > and these little cars PASS THREE 18 Wheeler trucks at the same time > > with ON > > COMING TRAFFIC... > > (Oh God was great and certainly protected us while we were there, > > prayers > > certainly were heard and answered) > > Thank God we had our wonderful friend Anna driving us all around... > > We did > > take a few taxi's around Warsaw and that was okay. > > But I could not imagine renting a car and driving around Poland > Kuba Przedzienkowski > jimpres1@mac.com > kuba@przedzienkowski.com > www.przedzienkowski.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sandra The drivers in Poland are absolutely crazy and daredevils LOL They drive on an average of about 95 miles an hour,,, on two lane " expressways" One lane each way.... so its a STREET TO ME IN THE USA and these little cars PASS THREE 18 Wheeler trucks at the same time with ON COMING TRAFFIC... (Oh God was great and certainly protected us while we were there, prayers certainly were heard and answered) Thank God we had our wonderful friend Anna driving us all around... We did take a few taxi's around Warsaw and that was okay. But I could not imagine renting a car and driving around Poland I grew up in the NY METRO AREA and I thought we were " Crazy nutty drivers" Route 22 in New Jersey, especially for those that know what I am talking about.....and also thining about the Taxi Drivers in Manhattan..........but these people drive worse than we do. I read in a newspaper in Warsaw on the average there are 47,000 ( yes thousand) car accidents each year in Poland and many are FATAL..and. I can see why... but on the " good side" they have their steering wheels like us in the US on the LEFT SIDE OF THE CAR... not like other countries in Europe.. So if you dont have family or friends to drive you around in Poland, I highly recommend hiring private drivers ( private tour guides) or tour buses They are everywhere....and available. There is also mass transit ( these buses and trolly cars in Warsaw) but they are PACKED LIKE SARDINES and very hot and cramped. So we did not try that................... Gasoline ( "Benzyna") is VERY EXPENSIVE,, and we in the USA have NO RIGHT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR GASOLINE PRICES! In Poland,,, its around 4+ Zloty per liter,,,,, if you think you need 4 liters to make a gallon of gasoline ( thats 4x4=around $16 zloty) its about $16-18 USDollars per GALLON.....................So one can see why mass transit is what most residents of Poland use to get back and forth to work. One US dollar is worth about 3 times( or a little less) of what a Polish Zloty is worth,,, so US Dollars go very far..... So I hope that answers some of your questions Sandra Ask away if you have any more God bless you all Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra" <skbdesign@yahoo.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland > Hi Rose, > > Glad you had a wonderful experience! > We would like to go to Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , > how did you get around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than > driving in Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in > Poland. > > Thanks, > Sandra in sunny CA > > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote: > Hi Noreen > Thanks for asking > IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... > > LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of > traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe > > We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw > EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it > We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before > What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... > > Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I. > > Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and > some Northern Sections of the country) > And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... > > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to > the > rye, wheat farms in Poland > > Hugs and God bless you all > Rose Zydel Olson > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! > > >> Hi Rose, >> Welcome back and how was the trip? >> Noreen >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >> AOL >> at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Get your own web address. > Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Hello, Witam! Jack and Rose, I am very excited to read about the trip to Poland and meeting of family. I am not so easy to share in these forums most of the time, but I am sharing a lot now in this message and many will probably not care, but I am so excited. On Aug 30 I will depart to meet my Burzycki family. They live in Gawrych Ruda near Lake Wigry, a most pristene forest area in all of Europe from what I have been reading - Wigry Nat'l Forest area http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_en.htm. I have only found my family this last November after looking for them for about 10 years. I was very blessed - with some smart searching, posting and luck!!! My new found cousin Janet was the LUCK for me and very important person Tadeusz Wysocki of Poland Genealogy Forum:http://genforum.genealogy.com/poland/messages/37996.html I have befriended the translator I was using and so I invited her and her husband for my travels there. My family invited them also. She is a journalist / professor / business start-up for young artists, and her husband is a chef in Wroclaw. They will pick me up in Warsaw and we will spend the night at Hotel Maria http://www.hotelmaria.pl/ which looks very charming. Then on Saturday we will in (new car for them) drive to Gawrych Ruda where I have booked us two 'apartments' in a beautiful lodge (Bachus) near the lake. http://www.bachus.suwalszczyzna.com.pl/index.php I am so lucky because I do not speak any Polski, but I have been trying to study. We may go tot he Baltic Sea for a day also and canoe the Hanscza River and I want to go mushrooming too. I am getting very anxious for all of this and most to meet my Poland family. http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr19_gawrych.htm My babcia (Sushoska / Poplawski) is from Brzygiel just on the other side of the lake and that must be how my grandparents met..... http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr20_bryzgiel.htm I will try to find my babcia's family there when I visit. http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_de2.htm (clearly shows me that a romance began over the lake) I want to bring gifts with me but I am a small person with a knee replacement and so I really want to pack light. Does anyone have any good suggestion for US gifts that maybe you can't get so easy in Poland and light to pack? Thought I would throw that out there and see if maybe you can all offer me some good suggestions......... How can I best bring gifts with me? should I pack boxes or try to carry in my luggage.... I really need to bring gifts. and I really really love pierogies and golumbkis or golabkis (ha ha) and my mother makes the best pierogies ever!!!!!!!!! and I love my Polish Pottery big time! I have a great collection that I use in my everyday life. Some of the best pottery made in all the world! Please to all my PBS sisters and brothers - send on the information if you have any to share with me. Dziękuję Maryann Marianna Burzycka as the nuns would have me say...... > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:25:39 -0400> From: chrishuk@aol.com> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland> > I have driven in Poland several times.? About 7 miles from Warsaw the roads are very American and after that they become two lane no shoulder roads.? Driving is not bad except for the maniacs who pass just feet away from you.? This is common.? However, they must be excellent drivers as I never saw an accident.? Once you get into the villages , the roads become one lane dirt roads and if it rains you now have a one lane wet ditch.? Twice I had to get out of my car and move cows who would decided to stand in the middle of the one lane dirt road.? Make sure that you get a good Polish road atlas map, the maps that come with a rental car will not get you anywhere.? This is the only way to get to your family villages.? I never saw a bus going on these dirt roads.? Villagers of all ages and sex ride bikes.> > Choosing Italian drivers over Polish ones (I was just in Italy a month ago) I would choose the Poles.? I think that the only way to cross the street in Rome is to close your eyes and run, hoping that the cars will not hit you.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Sandra <skbdesign@yahoo.com>> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:16 pm> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland> > > > Hi Rose,> > Glad you had a wonderful experience!> We would like to go to Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , how > did you get around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than driving in > Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in Poland.> > Thanks,> Sandra in sunny CA> > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote:> Hi Noreen> Thanks for asking> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED....> > LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of > traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe> > We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION....> > Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I.> > Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and > some Northern Sections of the country)> And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING....> > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to the > rye, wheat farms in Poland> > Hugs and God bless you all> Rose Zydel Olson> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!!> > > > Hi Rose,> > Welcome back and how was the trip?> > Noreen> >> >> >> > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL> > at> > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe'> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message> > > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address.> Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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Mary----------your recommended sites made for some very interesting explorations which I will return to soon to look at in greater depth. I already have a copy of his death certificate. Thanks you for you help........charles Mary Snow <marysnow@bellsouth.net> wrote: His death certificate may have place of birth as well as naturalization papers; he was a naturalized citizen by the 1910 census. There is an entry for Walenty Lokowiak in the immigration records at ancestry.com. Subscription required. When searching at Ancestry, it is important to not check the 'exact spelling' box. McComb County Death Certificates http://www.macombcountymi.gov/clerksoffice/DeathRecords.htm Great Lakes National Archives: http://www.archives.gov/great-lakes/chicago/public/ Best wishes in your search, Mary charles chase wrote: > > My grandfather Valentine (Walenty) Lukowiak came to America around 1890 from somewhere in Poland/Prussia (possibly near Golejewko, Wielkopolskie ). He was born about January 18, 1866 and died in Macomb Co, MI August 25, 1946. > > He was married three times, having all of his children with the first wife, Katherine Rosinska (1869-1925). The 1920 census for Detroit, Wayne Co, MI lists the following children at home: ---Stella (25)--cigar maker at cigar factory , Joseph (23)--salesman in poolroom, Mary (21)--cigar maker in cigar factory, Celia (19)--inspector in auto factory, John--(Heine) (17)--helper in foundry, Alex (15), Antoinette (12), Frances (10), Edward (7), Leonard (9 mo) > > I have not been able to find any info on how Valentine came to America (I have searched many passenger lists), where he grew up in Europe or anything about his ancestors. > > Any insight into the history of my grandfather that you might be able to provide would be very much appreciated. Charles Chinoski-Chase > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Margaret As much as I had learned in school about the Holocaust and horrors of the concentration camps, NOTHING CAN BE MORE HORRIFYING or SORROWFUL than visiting in person these places The room full of human hair being woven into blankets for the Nazi soldiers made my stomach sick Rooms full of babies clothing taken from the Jews and Polish people to be sent to the Nazi soldiers families in Germany, rooms full of shoes, hairbrushes, toothbrushes confiscated from all who entered the camps, horrified me. I WAS SICKENED BY ALL, BUT " Happy" that I did go Everyone kept telling my husband and myself,,, If you travel that far from the USA and Go to Poland YOU MUST SEE THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS! We did not want to go, but are " happy" that we did. The trip is a long one from Warsaw, but it is a MUST SEE! THE WORSE FOR ME WAS SEEING THE WELCOME SIGN " WORK WILL MAKE YOU FREE" These poor victims did not have a clue that HARD WORK would not save their lives at all..... I believe in my heart that if at all possible ( and I know its not) all people should visit a concentration camp to see for themselves the REALITY and HORROR of it all.... Its easier to believe in evil when you see it WITH ONES OWN EYES God bless all of the victims of these evil acts I prayed and prayed for all of the souls each and every room that I entered and cried tears of deep sorrow for them all Love and God bless you all Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlo50" <Marlo50@bex.net> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland > Rose, I really enjoyed your message about your trip to Poland. I wondered > what your reaction was when you went to Auschwitz? I am old enough to > remember the end of WW2 and the liberation of those camps and I still have > that terrible feeling of horror how any so called human could treat > another > human in that manner. Margaret > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack and Rose" <thankgod@optonline.net> > To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:08 PM > Subject: [PBS] My trip to Poland > > >> Hi Noreen >> Thanks for asking >> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... >> >> LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of >> traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe >> >> We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw >> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it >> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before >> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... >> >> Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and >> I. >> >> Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, >> Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections >> and >> some Northern Sections of the country) >> And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... >> >> I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to >> the >> rye, wheat farms in Poland >> >> Hugs and God bless you all >> Rose Zydel Olson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <Nhasior@aol.com> >> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! >> >> >>> Hi Rose, >>> Welcome back and how was the trip? >>> Noreen >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >>> AOL >>> at >>> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 >> 6:30 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you for this helpful information. I sounds a little like driving around Ireland, which we did about two years ago. We followed sheep, lambs, and horses with their colts following them. No passing in these one lane roads as they were lined with hedge rows with sheep sitting on top, watching us, (and laughing?) One day it took us almost an hour to get through a little village that was having a fair. Lots of local color! chrishuk@aol.com wrote: I have driven in Poland several times.? About 7 miles from Warsaw the roads are very American and after that they become two lane no shoulder roads.? Driving is not bad except for the maniacs who pass just feet away from you.? This is common.? However, they must be excellent drivers as I never saw an accident.? Once you get into the villages , the roads become one lane dirt roads and if it rains you now have a one lane wet ditch.? Twice I had to get out of my car and move cows who would decided to stand in the middle of the one lane dirt road.? Make sure that you get a good Polish road atlas map, the maps that come with a rental car will not get you anywhere.? This is the only way to get to your family villages.? I never saw a bus going on these dirt roads.? Villagers of all ages and sex ride bikes. Choosing Italian drivers over Polish ones (I was just in Italy a month ago) I would choose the Poles.? I think that the only way to cross the street in Rome is to close your eyes and run, hoping that the cars will not hit you. -----Original Message----- From: Sandra To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland Hi Rose, Glad you had a wonderful experience! We would like to go to Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , how did you get around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than driving in Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in Poland. Thanks, Sandra in sunny CA Jack and Rose wrote: Hi Noreen Thanks for asking IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I. Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and some Northern Sections of the country) And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to the rye, wheat farms in Poland Hugs and God bless you all Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! > Hi Rose, > Welcome back and how was the trip? > Noreen > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

Rose, I really enjoyed your message about your trip to Poland. I wondered what your reaction was when you went to Auschwitz? I am old enough to remember the end of WW2 and the liberation of those camps and I still have that terrible feeling of horror how any so called human could treat another human in that manner. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack and Rose" <thankgod@optonline.net> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:08 PM Subject: [PBS] My trip to Poland > Hi Noreen > Thanks for asking > IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... > > LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of > traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe > > We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw > EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it > We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before > What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... > > Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I. > > Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and > some Northern Sections of the country) > And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... > > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to > the > rye, wheat farms in Poland > > Hugs and God bless you all > Rose Zydel Olson > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Nhasior@aol.com> > To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM > Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! > > >> Hi Rose, >> Welcome back and how was the trip? >> Noreen >> >> >> >> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >> AOL >> at >> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 > 6:30 PM > >

Al, I believe the study of Genealogy is about family history. And History is pretty inclusive. So food is open game as well. Regards, Jim On Jul 18, 2007, at 1:54 AM, Alfred E. Wegner wrote: > Big deal , Jim, we are talking about one receipt not all foods, put > something more interesting on this forum be sides Polish language, > Is that > Genealogy?? > > Al Wegner Kuba Przedzienkowski jimpres1@mac.com kuba@przedzienkowski.com www.przedzienkowski.com

I have driven in Poland several times.? About 7 miles from Warsaw the roads are very American and after that they become two lane no shoulder roads.? Driving is not bad except for the maniacs who pass just feet away from you.? This is common.? However, they must be excellent drivers as I never saw an accident.? Once you get into the villages , the roads become one lane dirt roads and if it rains you now have a one lane wet ditch.? Twice I had to get out of my car and move cows who would decided to stand in the middle of the one lane dirt road.? Make sure that you get a good Polish road atlas map, the maps that come with a rental car will not get you anywhere.? This is the only way to get to your family villages.? I never saw a bus going on these dirt roads.? Villagers of all ages and sex ride bikes. Choosing Italian drivers over Polish ones (I was just in Italy a month ago) I would choose the Poles.? I think that the only way to cross the street in Rome is to close your eyes and run, hoping that the cars will not hit you. -----Original Message----- From: Sandra <skbdesign@yahoo.com> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:16 pm Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland Hi Rose, Glad you had a wonderful experience! We would like to go to Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , how did you get around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than driving in Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in Poland. Thanks, Sandra in sunny CA Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Noreen Thanks for asking IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I. Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and some Northern Sections of the country) And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to the rye, wheat farms in Poland Hugs and God bless you all Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! > Hi Rose, > Welcome back and how was the trip? > Noreen > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I have been to Belarus five times and swore each time that I would never return.? But each time, I had found new information and I returned. My maternal grandparents were born north of Grodno.? My great great grandfather was in charge of the Augustow canal lock near Sopockin.? On each visit, I found the homes were my family had lived.? My other great grandfather owned the Michalewicz folwark also north of Grodno.? Such poverty, I have never seen, the state had taken the land, they paid the people very little to farm.? I was stopped by the police on every visit, they wanted to examine the car each time.? We would all have to exit the car, while they searched the trunk and inside of the car.? I hired a cab driver from Suwalki each visit to go to Belarus for the day. I never stayed the night.? Twice, I was held up at the border and asked for more money on trumped up charges, such as my visa did not say that I was only staying one day, another time they said that I was in transit as I had no luggage.? I had to pay them $50 each time.? My Polish cab driver told me not to pay but I did not want the hassle.? People were very friendly and spoke to me in Polish once they found that my grandparents were born in the vicinity.? Prior to that, they pretended they knew no Polish. On the eastern bank of the Nemen just north of Grodno, the government had torn down complete villages and were building huge 3500 square feet American style homes.? I don't know who was planning on living there.? The difference between one side of the border with Poland and the Belarus side was remarkable, Polish fields were full of growth, Belarus fields were empty. My grandfather's family home was at one time beautiful.? There were painted tiles in the kitchen and around the several fire places, oriental rugs were on the walls.? But between the rugs was wallpaper hanging in shreds, furniture was torn and old.?I was told that at one time the family owned the land further than the eye could see and now all they had was a 10x10 garden where they could grow and keep their food. Was I glad that I had gone.? Yes!!! I walked the roads and saw the homes were my beloved grandparents had once lived. -----Original Message----- From: Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:09 pm Subject: [PBS] Advice on Travel to Belarus Please Hi Has anyone in the group traveled to Belarus??? I would like to plan a trip there in the future.... Any advice would be helpful Thanks and God bless Rose Zydel Olson ThankGod@optonline.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

If you want to talk about food go to mniam@yahoogroups.com They have plenty of recipes there. Jim On Jul 17, 2007, at 8:01 PM, chrishuk@aol.com wrote: > I agree with stopping this thread.? I did not join this group to > learn how to make golabki.? This has nothing to do with genealogy.?? > I have deleted many messages this morning in this thread.? I had > hoped that it would die a natural death, but is is getting worse. > > > ----- Kuba Przedzienkowski jimpres1@mac.com kuba@przedzienkowski.com www.przedzienkowski.com

Tina-----WOW--------this is exciting. I have searched passenger lists with no luck. How did you locate this. Possibly I could locate other relatives of mine. I saw the manifest on your succeeding email. Thank you very much........charles Tina Ellis <vellis@jps.net> wrote: The ship manifest shows that Walenty Lokowiak was born in Germany. He came over on the ship Maasdam from Rotterdam, Netherlands, arriving April 22,1891. There is no place shown on the manifest as a specific place of birth. He was 26 years old. Tina Ellis At 02:32 PM 7/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Dear list purveyors > > My grandfather Valentine (Walenty) Lukowiak came to America around 1890 > from somewhere in Poland/Prussia (possibly near Golejewko, Wielkopolskie > ). He was born about January 18, 1866 and died in Macomb Co, MI August > 25, 1946. > > He was married three times, having all of his children with the first > wife, Katherine Rosinska (1869-1925). The 1920 census for Detroit, Wayne > Co, MI lists the following children at home: ---Stella (25)--cigar maker > at cigar factory , Joseph (23)--salesman in poolroom, Mary (21)--cigar > maker in cigar factory, Celia (19)--inspector in auto factory, > John--(Heine) (17)--helper in foundry, Alex (15), Antoinette (12), > Frances (10), Edward (7), Leonard (9 mo) > > I have not been able to find any info on how Valentine came to America > (I have searched many passenger lists), where he grew up in Europe or > anything about his ancestors. > > Any insight into the history of my grandfather that you might be able > to provide would be very much appreciated. Charles Chinoski-Chase ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Has anyone in the group traveled to Belarus??? I would like to plan a trip there in the future.... Any advice would be helpful Thanks and God bless Rose Zydel Olson ThankGod@optonline.net

Hi Noreen Thanks for asking IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I. Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and some Northern Sections of the country) And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to the rye, wheat farms in Poland Hugs and God bless you all Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: <Nhasior@aol.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! > Hi Rose, > Welcome back and how was the trip? > Noreen > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

His death certificate may have place of birth as well as naturalization papers; he was a naturalized citizen by the 1910 census. There is an entry for Walenty Lokowiak in the immigration records at ancestry.com. Subscription required. When searching at Ancestry, it is important to not check the 'exact spelling' box. McComb County Death Certificates http://www.macombcountymi.gov/clerksoffice/DeathRecords.htm Great Lakes National Archives: http://www.archives.gov/great-lakes/chicago/public/ Best wishes in your search, Mary charles chase wrote: > > My grandfather Valentine (Walenty) Lukowiak came to America around 1890 from somewhere in Poland/Prussia (possibly near Golejewko, Wielkopolskie ). He was born about January 18, 1866 and died in Macomb Co, MI August 25, 1946. > > He was married three times, having all of his children with the first wife, Katherine Rosinska (1869-1925). The 1920 census for Detroit, Wayne Co, MI lists the following children at home: ---Stella (25)--cigar maker at cigar factory , Joseph (23)--salesman in poolroom, Mary (21)--cigar maker in cigar factory, Celia (19)--inspector in auto factory, John--(Heine) (17)--helper in foundry, Alex (15), Antoinette (12), Frances (10), Edward (7), Leonard (9 mo) > > I have not been able to find any info on how Valentine came to America (I have searched many passenger lists), where he grew up in Europe or anything about his ancestors. > > Any insight into the history of my grandfather that you might be able to provide would be very much appreciated. Charles Chinoski-Chase > >

The ship manifest shows that Walenty Lokowiak was born in Germany. He came over on the ship Maasdam from Rotterdam, Netherlands, arriving April 22,1891. There is no place shown on the manifest as a specific place of birth. He was 26 years old. Tina Ellis At 02:32 PM 7/17/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Dear list purveyors > > My grandfather Valentine (Walenty) Lukowiak came to America around 1890 > from somewhere in Poland/Prussia (possibly near Golejewko, Wielkopolskie > ). He was born about January 18, 1866 and died in Macomb Co, MI August > 25, 1946. > > He was married three times, having all of his children with the first > wife, Katherine Rosinska (1869-1925). The 1920 census for Detroit, Wayne > Co, MI lists the following children at home: ---Stella (25)--cigar maker > at cigar factory , Joseph (23)--salesman in poolroom, Mary (21)--cigar > maker in cigar factory, Celia (19)--inspector in auto factory, > John--(Heine) (17)--helper in foundry, Alex (15), Antoinette (12), > Frances (10), Edward (7), Leonard (9 mo) > > I have not been able to find any info on how Valentine came to America > (I have searched many passenger lists), where he grew up in Europe or > anything about his ancestors. > > Any insight into the history of my grandfather that you might be able > to provide would be very much appreciated. Charles Chinoski-Chase

Hi Rose, Welcome back and how was the trip? Noreen ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour