Hello everyone! When my daughter and I were in Poland a few years ago, I wanted very much to bear witness by going to Auschwitz. I am an amateur scholar of the Holocaust, and I regarded it as part of a pilgrimage I felt obligated to take. However, on the morning of the planned excursion, I realized I did not have the courage to do it. Having read so many of the histories and journals and diaries and literature that came out of the Holocaust, I knew that I would most likely collapse when in the presence of what must surely be an immense pervasive evil. The vast majority of victims were Jewish. We can never forget that. Nearly the entire Jewish population of Poland was exterminated as part of Hitler's "Final Solution." No one would ever deny that other groups were targeted and persecuted. Wikipedia, in its section on "The Holocaust," lists "Roma, Soviet POWs, disabled people, gay men, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholic Poles, and political prisoners." But we must remember that of the estimated 9-11 million that suffered and died in the death camps, 6 million were Jews, over 3 million at Auschwitz alone. I mention this because as a person of 100% Polish ancestry, I am very interested in the history of the Polish people. when I was 12 (I'm now 58) I read "The Diary of Anne Frank" and "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" and those two books spurred me on to read and research more and more into the Holocaust. I began research into my Polish roots primarily to be sure that my ancestors, those that stayed in Poland after my great-grandparents and grandparents left and lived in Poland during the 30s and 40s, hadn't fallen into one of two categories: (1) Those who, because of religion (Catholic) or politics (judging from my grandparents, liberal and anti-totalitarian), were persecuted and possibly killed for those reasons, and (2) Those who, because of religion (Catholic AND anti-Semitic) or politics (Nazi sympathizers or bystanders), aided in persecuting the Jews and any of the other groups. If I found ancestors or relations in the first category, I wanted to honor them for their sacrifice. And if I found ancestors or relations in the second category, I wanted to be able somehow to (for lack of a better word) atone for them. My research has, as of yet, turned up nothing in either category, other than someone with my maternal grandfather's name (it couldn't be him) listed on Yad Vashem's list of the righteous. (There are 6,004 entries for Poland, which is the highest number for any nation. And, considering that Poland had the most severe penalty - death to everyone in the household - for harboring Jews, that is remarkable. The Netherlands is next with 4,767, followed by France and the Ukraine.) At the website "Polish Righteous," there is a wonderful poem and an alphabetical list of all of the (thus far) recognized Poles who put their lives on the line, and for 704, lost them, to aid Jews. The link is: http://www.savingjews.org/ Sorry to go on so long on what could be considered entirely off topic. However, this subject is what initially brought me to this site and genealogical research. For anyone interested in that time period, Norman Davies book, "Rising '44: The Battle for Warsaw," makes for compelling reading, as does John Hersey's fictionalized account, "The Wall." And, if anyone is interested in the topic and would like more suggested reading, please feel free to contact me off-list. Sandra Watters (nee Slago aka Szlaga) On 7/19/07, Jim Presenkowski <jimpres1@mac.com> wrote: > > Rose, > > I had a relative who was picked up in Poland and taken to Stutthof on > the > Baltic sea. My first trip to Poland in 1978 he and I visited the > camp where > he was interred. He told me what happened in the camp and the daily > routine. > He cried as he told me about his time there. How they slept 7 to a > bunk. How > he was third in line at the gas chamber but the Germans needed > workers for > the road and he was spared. He was liberated and lived until 2004. > And he > had his number on his arm. He wrote about his life there. > He was not Jewish but was a Catholic. > > Jim > > > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jack and Rose wrote: > > > Hi Mary > > I did not mean HAPPY as in JOY,, I meant "happy" glad that we did > > get ENOUGH > > COURAGE TO REALLY GO AND SEE THINGS FOR OURSELVES. > > I know what you mean,,,,,, I was in such shock and horror the > > entire time, > > but NEEDED TO SEE THIS, I think everyone in the WORLD needs to see > > this > > My neighbors have their " tatoos" from Auswitz on their forearms > > and they > > have told us about watching their PARENTS DIE IN FRONT OF THEM > > sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo we have learned first hand from > > Survivors and > > victims of this HORROR AND EVIL > > > > I did not want you to get the wrong impression, we were not HAPPY > > to be > > there > > GRATEFUL TO GOD, really, for the courage and strength that he gave > > us both > > to GO TO SEE FOR OURSELVES, we were both nervous beforehand also > > > > Rose > > > > Kuba Przedzienkowski > jimpres1@mac.com > kuba@przedzienkowski.com > www.przedzienkowski.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

------._,_.___ polandbordersurnames-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:23:08 -0400 From: "Sonia van Heerden" Subject: [PBS] Trip by car in Poland To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Hi experts I have been advised by my relatives that we will be travelling by car from Pienzino in the northeast part of Poland to Przemysl in the southeast by car, and I gather they want to do it in one day. They have told me it is about 600 km. Has anyone travelled that far in one day by car? Do you think it can be done? Sonia --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.

Dear Sonia: Not knowing if you can drive the 600km distance, or the highways/roads to Przemysl, I still wish you well. It will be an accomplishment. If you make it there ,maybe you can solve some of my searches "smiles" I found plentiful Jewish Surnames through the various Poland sites, but would like to know where can I find an index for Catholic Surnames of Sanok which include: Pielnia, "Krosno," Wroblik Szlachecki, "Rymanow," "Przemysl," Podkarpackie, Deszno, Tarnawka, and Sieniawa The ones above, I darkened and placed in quotes, are on maps and easily seen. My ancestors listed below lived in this triangle of Krosno Rymanow and Przemysl. Maybe you can keep them in mind as you travel. The Greek Catholic STRUS BURKO KRAWEC from Wroblik Szlachecki & the Roman Catholic BEDNARCZYK MOSKAL OR MOSKALIK from Pielnia Poland surnames were not seen in Wroblik Krolewski. I don't know where to go from here. I've written every Archive I could think of. People told me it will be easy once one has one's Ancestors Town and Country. Well, the Other Catholic Churches or addresses were not given to me yet. Thank you for any resouces or referrals which may help me to find information about them. Joan Wielgus [Wielgos was from Kielce Poland] ------._,_.___ polandbordersurnames-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 15:23:08 -0400 From: "Sonia van Heerden" Subject: [PBS] Trip by car in Poland To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Message-ID: Hi experts I have been advised by my relatives that we will be travelling by car from Pienzino in the northeast part of Poland to Przemysl in the southeast by car, and I gather they want to do it in one day. They have told me it is about 600 km. Has anyone travelled that far in one day by car? Do you think it can be done? Sonia --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.

God bless your relative Jim and God bless all of the victims of these HORRORS We must all learn and remember this and never never allow this to happen again. NEVER! Thanks for sharing...I know many non-jews were MURDERED at these camps also...... Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Presenkowski" <jimpres1@mac.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Camps > Rose, > > I had a relative who was picked up in Poland and taken to Stutthof on > the > Baltic sea. My first trip to Poland in 1978 he and I visited the > camp where > he was interred. He told me what happened in the camp and the daily > routine. > He cried as he told me about his time there. How they slept 7 to a > bunk. How > he was third in line at the gas chamber but the Germans needed > workers for > the road and he was spared. He was liberated and lived until 2004. > And he > had his number on his arm. He wrote about his life there. > He was not Jewish but was a Catholic. > > Jim > > > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:15 PM, Jack and Rose wrote: > >> Hi Mary >> I did not mean HAPPY as in JOY,, I meant "happy" glad that we did >> get ENOUGH >> COURAGE TO REALLY GO AND SEE THINGS FOR OURSELVES. >> I know what you mean,,,,,, I was in such shock and horror the >> entire time, >> but NEEDED TO SEE THIS, I think everyone in the WORLD needs to see >> this >> My neighbors have their " tatoos" from Auswitz on their forearms >> and they >> have told us about watching their PARENTS DIE IN FRONT OF THEM >> sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo we have learned first hand from >> Survivors and >> victims of this HORROR AND EVIL >> >> I did not want you to get the wrong impression, we were not HAPPY >> to be >> there >> GRATEFUL TO GOD, really, for the courage and strength that he gave >> us both >> to GO TO SEE FOR OURSELVES, we were both nervous beforehand also >> >> Rose >> > > Kuba Przedzienkowski > jimpres1@mac.com > kuba@przedzienkowski.com > www.przedzienkowski.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi experts I have been advised by my relatives that we will be travelling by car from Pienzino in the northeast part of Poland to Przemysl in the southeast by car, and I gather they want to do it in one day. They have told me it is about 600 km. Has anyone travelled that far in one day by car? Do you think it can be done? Sonia _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148

Hi Mary I did not mean HAPPY as in JOY,, I meant "happy" glad that we did get ENOUGH COURAGE TO REALLY GO AND SEE THINGS FOR OURSELVES. I know what you mean,,,,,, I was in such shock and horror the entire time, but NEEDED TO SEE THIS, I think everyone in the WORLD needs to see this My neighbors have their " tatoos" from Auswitz on their forearms and they have told us about watching their PARENTS DIE IN FRONT OF THEM sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo we have learned first hand from Survivors and victims of this HORROR AND EVIL I did not want you to get the wrong impression, we were not HAPPY to be there GRATEFUL TO GOD, really, for the courage and strength that he gave us both to GO TO SEE FOR OURSELVES, we were both nervous beforehand also Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Johnson" <charlie7299@yahoo.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Visiting Auschwitz! >I went to Auschwitz in 2001. People told me I should go, well I did, I was >emtionally unstable for the visit. I started crying and could not stop; >the tour guide wanted me to go back to the bus, but I told him I would >stand in the back and see how and what I could. It was an emotionally >draining experience. I'm not so sure on the "happy" part but I believe it >was a thing I had to do; and you cannot image or have any Idea of what >these people had to endure. I prayed for them along the way myself. It >overwhelmed me to think that people actually did this to other poeple and >all the children. > > My family and myself are taking another trip to Poland this fall. I am > looking forward to see how things have changed or stayed the same from our > last visit. I haven't been able to locate my "Matuszyk" but I'm still > trying. > > Mary > > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote: > Hi Margaret > As much as I had learned in school about the Holocaust and horrors of the > concentration camps, NOTHING CAN BE MORE HORRIFYING or SORROWFUL than > visiting in person these places > The room full of human hair being woven into blankets for the Nazi > soldiers > made my stomach sick > Rooms full of babies clothing taken from the Jews and Polish people to be > sent to the Nazi soldiers families in Germany, rooms full of shoes, > hairbrushes, toothbrushes confiscated from all who entered the camps, > horrified me. I WAS SICKENED BY ALL, BUT " Happy" that I did go > Everyone kept telling my husband and myself,,, If you travel that far from > the USA and Go to Poland > YOU MUST SEE THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS! > We did not want to go, but are " happy" that we did. > The trip is a long one from Warsaw, but it is a MUST SEE! > > THE WORSE FOR ME WAS SEEING THE WELCOME SIGN " WORK WILL MAKE YOU FREE" > These poor victims did not have a clue that HARD WORK would not save their > lives at all..... > > I believe in my heart that if at all possible ( and I know its not) all > people should visit a concentration camp to see for themselves the REALITY > and HORROR of it all.... Its easier to believe in evil when you see it > WITH > ONES OWN EYES > > God bless all of the victims of these evil acts > > I prayed and prayed for all of the souls each and every room that I > entered > and cried tears of deep sorrow for them all > > Love and God bless you all > Rose Zydel Olson > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlo50" > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland > > >> Rose, I really enjoyed your message about your trip to Poland. I wondered >> what your reaction was when you went to Auschwitz? I am old enough to >> remember the end of WW2 and the liberation of those camps and I still >> have >> that terrible feeling of horror how any so called human could treat >> another >> human in that manner. Margaret >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack and Rose" >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:08 PM >> Subject: [PBS] My trip to Poland >> >> >>> Hi Noreen >>> Thanks for asking >>> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... >>> >>> LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of >>> traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe >>> >>> We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw >>> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it >>> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met >>> before >>> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... >>> >>> Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and >>> I. >>> >>> Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, >>> Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections >>> and >>> some Northern Sections of the country) >>> And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... >>> >>> I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to >>> the >>> rye, wheat farms in Poland >>> >>> Hugs and God bless you all >>> Rose Zydel Olson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! >>> >>> >>>> Hi Rose, >>>> Welcome back and how was the trip? >>>> Noreen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >>>> AOL >>>> at >>>> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: >>> 7/17/2007 >>> 6:30 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David, Don't forget your marriage certificate you will need it as well. Enjoy Poland, Jim On Jul 19, 2007, at 6:57 AM, David Piekarczyk wrote: > Closer!! > Two weeks from tomorrow and we're off to Poland. I've been reading > from different lists I belong to about things in Poland, the gas is > almost $6 a gallon now, the US dollar has been losing value for the > last 10 days and prices in most areas are going up. All not good > things for us. The good news is we recieved our payments from our > retirement fund, received the final copy of my birth certificate > and got our Citibank account together. I've been looking at > apartments in Konin, about an hour west of Poznañ and closer to > Golina and they are somewhat cheaper to rent so we may check them > out as well as Poznañ. Unfortunately, money will play a role in > where we live for now, there's no way around it. But either place > will give us a completely new life style with the same challenges > so it's not a big thing for us. Poznañ, being bigger, has more to > offer in cultural activities, opportunities, etc but Konin seemed > as nice when we were there last in 2004. We'll see what happens > once we arrive. > > David Piekarczyk > > > > http://david-polanddavid.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message Kuba Przedzienkowski jimpres1@mac.com kuba@przedzienkowski.com www.przedzienkowski.com

Mary, Please let us know what you know about your MATUSZYK family. Maybe we can find something on them. New things come online all the time. Maybe there is something out there for you. Tina Ellis Original Message: ----------------- From: Mary Johnson charlie7299@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:12:14 -0700 (PDT) To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com My family and myself are taking another trip to Poland this fall. I am looking forward to see how things have changed or stayed the same from our last visit. I haven't been able to locate my "Matuszyk" but I'm still trying. Mary -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com – What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint

I visited Dachau outside Munich in 1995. There was a reconstructed dormitory so it looked quite tidy. The brick ovens were still there but the tour guide said they were never used but you could see the graffiti on the walls leading to the ovens. Also, the documents on display revealed how little the people were fed. I also visited the holocaust museum in Washington, D.C. Altho these are unpleasant experiences, I feel obligated to "bear witness" and share what I've learned with those who don't have the opportunity to travel as I have. Ann polandbordersurnames-request@rootsweb.com wrote: When replying to a letter, which is in the digest, please delete the other letters out of your message. Please, also, change the subject, so the person to whom you are replying understands that your reply is for him/her. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Jack and Rose Yes that is the way I took it, Yes, COURAGE is the word that describes what it takes to see the items. Books and pictures are not the same as being there to see what the world let happen. Our tour guide was a survivor and the other tour guide talked about the feelings and thoughts and actions of the local people. We heard the word of the actions, but to be in the cells and places where the people had to survive is .....i'm not sure what exactly the word would be. but very moving, I don't understand how some people don't believe that it happened and how they have not compassion. We were told that all the school children tour this area. Such a horrifying experience to live or die through. I tear up just thinking of it. Prayers for the whole situation! Mary Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Mary I did not mean HAPPY as in JOY,, I meant "happy" glad that we did get ENOUGH COURAGE TO REALLY GO AND SEE THINGS FOR OURSELVES. I know what you mean,,,,,, I was in such shock and horror the entire time, but NEEDED TO SEE THIS, I think everyone in the WORLD needs to see this My neighbors have their " tatoos" from Auswitz on their forearms and they have told us about watching their PARENTS DIE IN FRONT OF THEM sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo we have learned first hand from Survivors and victims of this HORROR AND EVIL I did not want you to get the wrong impression, we were not HAPPY to be there GRATEFUL TO GOD, really, for the courage and strength that he gave us both to GO TO SEE FOR OURSELVES, we were both nervous beforehand also Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Johnson" To: Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Visiting Auschwitz! >I went to Auschwitz in 2001. People told me I should go, well I did, I was >emtionally unstable for the visit. I started crying and could not stop; >the tour guide wanted me to go back to the bus, but I told him I would >stand in the back and see how and what I could. It was an emotionally >draining experience. I'm not so sure on the "happy" part but I believe it >was a thing I had to do; and you cannot image or have any Idea of what >these people had to endure. I prayed for them along the way myself. It >overwhelmed me to think that people actually did this to other poeple and >all the children. > > My family and myself are taking another trip to Poland this fall. I am > looking forward to see how things have changed or stayed the same from our > last visit. I haven't been able to locate my "Matuszyk" but I'm still > trying. > > Mary > > Jack and Rose wrote: > Hi Margaret > As much as I had learned in school about the Holocaust and horrors of the > concentration camps, NOTHING CAN BE MORE HORRIFYING or SORROWFUL than > visiting in person these places > The room full of human hair being woven into blankets for the Nazi > soldiers > made my stomach sick > Rooms full of babies clothing taken from the Jews and Polish people to be > sent to the Nazi soldiers families in Germany, rooms full of shoes, > hairbrushes, toothbrushes confiscated from all who entered the camps, > horrified me. I WAS SICKENED BY ALL, BUT " Happy" that I did go > Everyone kept telling my husband and myself,,, If you travel that far from > the USA and Go to Poland > YOU MUST SEE THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS! > We did not want to go, but are " happy" that we did. > The trip is a long one from Warsaw, but it is a MUST SEE! > > THE WORSE FOR ME WAS SEEING THE WELCOME SIGN " WORK WILL MAKE YOU FREE" > These poor victims did not have a clue that HARD WORK would not save their > lives at all..... > > I believe in my heart that if at all possible ( and I know its not) all > people should visit a concentration camp to see for themselves the REALITY > and HORROR of it all.... Its easier to believe in evil when you see it > WITH > ONES OWN EYES > > God bless all of the victims of these evil acts > > I prayed and prayed for all of the souls each and every room that I > entered > and cried tears of deep sorrow for them all > > Love and God bless you all > Rose Zydel Olson > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlo50" > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:21 AM > Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland > > >> Rose, I really enjoyed your message about your trip to Poland. I wondered >> what your reaction was when you went to Auschwitz? I am old enough to >> remember the end of WW2 and the liberation of those camps and I still >> have >> that terrible feeling of horror how any so called human could treat >> another >> human in that manner. Margaret >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jack and Rose" >> To: > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:08 PM >> Subject: [PBS] My trip to Poland >> >> >>> Hi Noreen >>> Thanks for asking >>> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... >>> >>> LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of >>> traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe >>> >>> We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw >>> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it >>> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met >>> before >>> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... >>> >>> Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and >>> I. >>> >>> Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, >>> Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections >>> and >>> some Northern Sections of the country) >>> And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... >>> >>> I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to >>> the >>> rye, wheat farms in Poland >>> >>> Hugs and God bless you all >>> Rose Zydel Olson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: > >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! >>> >>> >>>> Hi Rose, >>>> Welcome back and how was the trip? >>>> Noreen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >>>> AOL >>>> at >>>> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: >>> 7/17/2007 >>> 6:30 PM >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. 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My friends in Poland always ask me for Lifesavers.  They do not sell these in Poland.  They also like the Lifesaver gummie packs.  Another thing that they ask for is Tequila. -----Original Message----- From: Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:46 am Subject: Re: [PBS] Maryann Maciejewski Hi Maryann brought American gifts for my family in Poland and Belarus and THEY LOVED HEM brought Russell stover boxes of Chocolates and M " M's Candy brought American flag buttons and American baseball caps for the men, merican Flag pins for everyone merican flag bracelets for the women and then brought each of the ladies ome earrings from the US..... used Oriental trading company.com to buy the American things on the nternet hey have lots on their site njoy your trip and please let me know how you did in Poland od bless and Hugs ose Zydel Olson ---- Original Message ----- rom: "Maryann Maciejewski" <maryann_mack@hotmail.com> o: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> c: <jbernosky@olc.accomack.k12.va.us> ent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:57 AM ubject: Re: [PBS] My upcoming trip to Poland (Gawrych Ruda / Bryzgiel) ello Hello, Witam! Jack and Rose, I am very excited to read about the rip to Poland and meeting of family. I am not so easy to share in these orums most of the time, but I am sharing a lot now in this message and many ill probably not care, but I am so excited. On Aug 30 I will depart to eet my Burzycki family. They live in Gawrych Ruda near Lake Wigry, a most ristene forest area in all of Europe from what I have been reading - Wigry at'l Forest area http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_en.htm. I have only ound my family this last November after looking for them for about 10 ears. I was very blessed - with some smart searching, posting and luck!!! y new found cousin Janet was the LUCK for me and very important person adeusz Wysocki of Poland Genealogy orum:http://genforum.genealogy.com/poland/messages/37996.html I have efriended the translator I was using and so I invited her and her husband or my travels there. My family invited them also. She is a journalist / rofessor / business start-up for young artists, and her husband is a chef n Wroclaw. They will pick me up in Warsaw and we will spend the night at otel Maria http://www.hotelmaria.pl/ which looks very charming. Then on aturday we will in (new car for them) drive to Gawrych Ruda where I have ooked us two 'apartments' in a beautiful lodge (Bachus) near the lake. ttp://www.bachus.suwalszczyzna.com.pl/index.php I am so lucky because I do ot speak any Polski, but I have been trying to study. We may go tot he altic Sea for a day also and canoe the Hanscza River and I want to go ushrooming too. I am getting very anxious for all of this and most to meet y Poland family. http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr19_gawrych.htm My abcia (Sushoska / Poplawski) is from Brzygiel just on the other side of the ake and that must be how my grandparents met..... ttp://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr20_bryzgiel.htm I will try to find my abcia's family there when I visit. ttp://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_de2.htm (clearly shows me that a omance began over the lake) I want to bring gifts with me but I am a small erson with a knee replacement and so I really want to pack light. Does nyone have any good suggestion for US gifts that maybe you can't get so asy in Poland and light to pack? Thought I would throw that out there and ee if maybe you can all offer me some good suggestions......... How can I est bring gifts with me? should I pack boxes or try to carry in my uggage.... I really need to bring gifts. and I really really love ierogies and golumbkis or golabkis (ha ha) and my mother makes the best ierogies ever!!!!!!!!! and I love my Polish Pottery big time! I have a reat collection that I use in my everyday life. Some of the best pottery ade in all the world! Please to all my PBS sisters and brothers - send on he information if you have any to share with me. ziękuję Maryann Marianna Burzycka as the nuns would have me say...... > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:25:39 -0400> From: chrishuk@aol.com> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland> > I have driven in Poland several times.? About 7 miles from Warsaw the roads are very American and after that they become two lane no shoulder roads.? Driving is not bad except for the maniacs who pass just feet away from you.? This is common.? However, they must be excellent drivers as I never saw an accident.? Once you get into the villages , the roads become one lane dirt roads and if it rains you now have a one lane wet ditch.? Twice I had to get out of my car and move cows who would decided to stand in the middle of the one lane dirt road.? Make sure that you get a good Polish road atlas map, the maps that come with a rental car will not get you anywhere.? This is the only way to get to your family villages.? I never saw a bus going on these dirt roads.? Villagers of all ages and sex ride bikes.> > Choosing Italian drivers over Polish ones (I was just in Italy a month ago) I would choose the Poles.? I think that the only way to cross the street in Rome is to close your eyes and run, hoping that the cars will not hit you.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: Sandra <skbdesign@yahoo.com>> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:16 pm> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland> > > > Hi Rose,> > Glad you had a wonderful experience!> We would like to go to Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , how > did you get around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than driving in > Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in Poland.> > Thanks,> Sandra in sunny CA> > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote:> Hi Noreen> Thanks for asking> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED....> > LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of > traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe> > We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION....> > Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I.> > Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and > some Northern Sections of the country)> And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING....> > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to the > rye, wheat farms in Poland> > Hugs and God bless you all> Rose Zydel Olson> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!!> > > > Hi Rose,> > Welcome back and how was the trip?> > Noreen> >> >> >> > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL> > at> > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe'> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message> > > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address.> Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! 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Maryann - I am so happy for you and that you will be visiting this beautiful country in August. It seems that your family ties come pretty close to where my g-grandparents were born and married. They came from Wegielsztyn (very close to Wegorzewo), and also located on one of the beautiful lakes of the area. It is located in the district of Angeburg, and I was able to find the church/parish of the Lutheran faith in 1867 when they were married. The problem is I cannot get further information since Lutherans are with the parish in Gizycho and they do not want to communicate. Again, enjoy your trip and I look forward to hearing from you at a later time. Ralph Scheffler rscheffler@dc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryann Maciejewski" <maryann_mack@hotmail.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Cc: <jbernosky@olc.accomack.k12.va.us> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:57 AM Subject: Re: [PBS] My upcoming trip to Poland (Gawrych Ruda / Bryzgiel) Hello Hello, Witam! Jack and Rose, I am very excited to read about the trip to Poland and meeting of family. I am not so easy to share in these forums most of the time, but I am sharing a lot now in this message and many will probably not care, but I am so excited. On Aug 30 I will depart to meet my Burzycki family. They live in Gawrych Ruda near Lake Wigry, a most pristene forest area in all of Europe from what I have been reading - Wigry Nat'l Forest area http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_en.htm. I have only found my family this last November after looking for them for about 10 years. I was very blessed - with some smart searching, posting and luck!!! My new found cousin Janet was the LUCK for me and very important person Tadeusz Wysocki of Poland Genealogy Forum:http://genforum.genealogy.com/poland/messages/37996.html I have befriended the translator I was using and so I invited her and her husband for my travels there. My family invited them also. She is a journalist / professor / business start-up for young artists, and her husband is a chef in Wroclaw. They will pick me up in Warsaw and we will spend the night at Hotel Maria http://www.hotelmaria.pl/ which looks very charming. Then on Saturday we will in (new car for them) drive to Gawrych Ruda where I have booked us two 'apartments' in a beautiful lodge (Bachus) near the lake. http://www.bachus.suwalszczyzna.com.pl/index.php I am so lucky because I do not speak any Polski, but I have been trying to study. We may go tot he Baltic Sea for a day also and canoe the Hanscza River and I want to go mushrooming too. I am getting very anxious for all of this and most to meet my Poland family. http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr19_gawrych.htm My babcia (Sushoska / Poplawski) is from Brzygiel just on the other side of the lake and that must be how my grandparents met..... http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr20_bryzgiel.htm I will try to find my babcia's family there when I visit. http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_de2.htm (clearly shows me that a romance began over the lake) I want to bring gifts with me but I am a small person with a knee replacement and so I really want to pack light. Does anyone have any good suggestion for US gifts that maybe you can't get so easy in Poland and light to pack? Thought I would throw that out there and see if maybe you can all offer me some good suggestions......... How can I best bring gifts with me? should I pack boxes or try to carry in my luggage.... I really need to bring gifts. and I really really love pierogies and golumbkis or golabkis (ha ha) and my mother makes the best pierogies ever!!!!!!!!! and I love my Polish Pottery big time! I have a great collection that I use in my everyday life. Some of the best pottery made in all the world! Please to all my PBS sisters and brothers - send on the information if you have any to share with me. Dziękuję Maryann Marianna Burzycka as the nuns would have me say...... > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 > 00:25:39 -0400> From: chrishuk@aol.com> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to > Poland> > I have driven in Poland several times.? About 7 miles from > Warsaw the roads are very American and after that they become two lane no > shoulder roads.? Driving is not bad except for the maniacs who pass just > feet away from you.? This is common.? However, they must be excellent > drivers as I never saw an accident.? Once you get into the villages , the > roads become one lane dirt roads and if it rains you now have a one lane > wet ditch.? Twice I had to get out of my car and move cows who would > decided to stand in the middle of the one lane dirt road.? Make sure that > you get a good Polish road atlas map, the maps that come with a rental car > will not get you anywhere.? This is the only way to get to your family > villages.? I never saw a bus going on these dirt roads.? Villagers of all > ages and sex ride bikes.> > Choosing Italian drivers over Polish ones (I > was just in Italy a month ago) I would choose the Poles.? I think that the > only way to cross the street in Rome is to close your eyes and run, hoping > that the cars will not hit you.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: > Sandra <skbdesign@yahoo.com>> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: > Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:16 pm> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland> > > > Hi > Rose,> > Glad you had a wonderful experience!> We would like to go to > Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , how > did you get > around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than driving in > > Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in Poland.> > > Thanks,> Sandra in sunny CA> > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> > wrote:> Hi Noreen> Thanks for asking> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I > EVER ANTICIPATED....> > LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to > anyone thinking of > traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe> > We stayed in > the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth > it> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met > before> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION....> > Family came > from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I.> > Saw > Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, > > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and > > some Northern Sections of the country)> And the FARMLANDS ARE > AMAZING....> > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing > can compare to the > rye, wheat farms in Poland> > Hugs and God bless you > all> Rose Zydel Olson> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough > Golobki Already!!!> > > > Hi Rose,> > Welcome back and how was the trip?> > > Noreen> >> >> >> > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL> > at> > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> >> > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to> > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe'> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message> > > > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address.> Have a > HUGE year through Yahoo! 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I went to Auschwitz in 2001. People told me I should go, well I did, I was emtionally unstable for the visit. I started crying and could not stop; the tour guide wanted me to go back to the bus, but I told him I would stand in the back and see how and what I could. It was an emotionally draining experience. I'm not so sure on the "happy" part but I believe it was a thing I had to do; and you cannot image or have any Idea of what these people had to endure. I prayed for them along the way myself. It overwhelmed me to think that people actually did this to other poeple and all the children. My family and myself are taking another trip to Poland this fall. I am looking forward to see how things have changed or stayed the same from our last visit. I haven't been able to locate my "Matuszyk" but I'm still trying. Mary Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote: Hi Margaret As much as I had learned in school about the Holocaust and horrors of the concentration camps, NOTHING CAN BE MORE HORRIFYING or SORROWFUL than visiting in person these places The room full of human hair being woven into blankets for the Nazi soldiers made my stomach sick Rooms full of babies clothing taken from the Jews and Polish people to be sent to the Nazi soldiers families in Germany, rooms full of shoes, hairbrushes, toothbrushes confiscated from all who entered the camps, horrified me. I WAS SICKENED BY ALL, BUT " Happy" that I did go Everyone kept telling my husband and myself,,, If you travel that far from the USA and Go to Poland YOU MUST SEE THE CONCENTRATION CAMPS! We did not want to go, but are " happy" that we did. The trip is a long one from Warsaw, but it is a MUST SEE! THE WORSE FOR ME WAS SEEING THE WELCOME SIGN " WORK WILL MAKE YOU FREE" These poor victims did not have a clue that HARD WORK would not save their lives at all..... I believe in my heart that if at all possible ( and I know its not) all people should visit a concentration camp to see for themselves the REALITY and HORROR of it all.... Its easier to believe in evil when you see it WITH ONES OWN EYES God bless all of the victims of these evil acts I prayed and prayed for all of the souls each and every room that I entered and cried tears of deep sorrow for them all Love and God bless you all Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlo50" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland > Rose, I really enjoyed your message about your trip to Poland. I wondered > what your reaction was when you went to Auschwitz? I am old enough to > remember the end of WW2 and the liberation of those camps and I still have > that terrible feeling of horror how any so called human could treat > another > human in that manner. Margaret > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack and Rose" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 9:08 PM > Subject: [PBS] My trip to Poland > > >> Hi Noreen >> Thanks for asking >> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED.... >> >> LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of >> traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe >> >> We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw >> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it >> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met before >> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION.... >> >> Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and >> I. >> >> Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, >> Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections >> and >> some Northern Sections of the country) >> And the FARMLANDS ARE AMAZING.... >> >> I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing can compare to >> the >> rye, wheat farms in Poland >> >> Hugs and God bless you all >> Rose Zydel Olson >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki Already!!! >> >> >>> Hi Rose, >>> Welcome back and how was the trip? >>> Noreen >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new >>> AOL >>> at >>> http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/906 - Release Date: 7/17/2007 >> 6:30 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more.

Dear Charles, I am sure by now you found the immigration records of Katherine and her child Andrew on CastleGarden.org already. I am just curious - where do you have the information from that Walenty may have come from Golejewko in Wielkopolskie? I am researching in that area and I also know someone else who has researched his family from Golejewko. Maybe he or I can help at some point. Andre charles chase wrote: > Dear list purveyors > > My grandfather Valentine (Walenty) Lukowiak came to America around 1890 from somewhere in Poland/Prussia (possibly near Golejewko, Wielkopolskie ). He was born about January 18, 1866 and died in Macomb Co, MI August 25, 1946. > > He was married three times, having all of his children with the first wife, Katherine Rosinska (1869-1925). The 1920 census for Detroit, Wayne Co, MI lists the following children at home: ---Stella (25)--cigar maker at cigar factory , Joseph (23)--salesman in poolroom, Mary (21)--cigar maker in cigar factory, Celia (19)--inspector in auto factory, John--(Heine) (17)--helper in foundry, Alex (15), Antoinette (12), Frances (10), Edward (7), Leonard (9 mo) > > I have not been able to find any info on how Valentine came to America (I have searched many passenger lists), where he grew up in Europe or anything about his ancestors. > > Any insight into the history of my grandfather that you might be able to provide would be very much appreciated. Charles Chinoski-Chase > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Andre, When researching my mother-in-law's heritage in Alsace Lorraine, I came upon a site called www.geneanet.org which was exceptionally helpful because of its French roots. I did not have a clue as to where my grandfather came from. I checked geneanet and saw that several of the researchers had Lukowiaks coming from Golejewko in Wielkopolskie. I have not yet explored the LDS films from the area. I hope this helps..........charles Andre Switala <andre@switala.net> wrote: Dear Charles, I am sure by now you found the immigration records of Katherine and her child Andrew on CastleGarden.org already. I am just curious - where do you have the information from that Walenty may have come from Golejewko in Wielkopolskie? I am researching in that area and I also know someone else who has researched his family from Golejewko. Maybe he or I can help at some point. Andre charles chase wrote: > Dear list purveyors > > My grandfather Valentine (Walenty) Lukowiak came to America around 1890 from somewhere in Poland/Prussia (possibly near Golejewko, Wielkopolskie ). He was born about January 18, 1866 and died in Macomb Co, MI August 25, 1946. > > He was married three times, having all of his children with the first wife, Katherine Rosinska (1869-1925). The 1920 census for Detroit, Wayne Co, MI lists the following children at home: ---Stella (25)--cigar maker at cigar factory , Joseph (23)--salesman in poolroom, Mary (21)--cigar maker in cigar factory, Celia (19)--inspector in auto factory, John--(Heine) (17)--helper in foundry, Alex (15), Antoinette (12), Frances (10), Edward (7), Leonard (9 mo) > > I have not been able to find any info on how Valentine came to America (I have searched many passenger lists), where he grew up in Europe or anything about his ancestors. > > Any insight into the history of my grandfather that you might be able to provide would be very much appreciated. Charles Chinoski-Chase > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Closer!! Two weeks from tomorrow and we're off to Poland. I've been reading from different lists I belong to about things in Poland, the gas is almost $6 a gallon now, the US dollar has been losing value for the last 10 days and prices in most areas are going up. All not good things for us. The good news is we recieved our payments from our retirement fund, received the final copy of my birth certificate and got our Citibank account together. I've been looking at apartments in Konin, about an hour west of Poznañ and closer to Golina and they are somewhat cheaper to rent so we may check them out as well as Poznañ. Unfortunately, money will play a role in where we live for now, there's no way around it. But either place will give us a completely new life style with the same challenges so it's not a big thing for us. Poznañ, being bigger, has more to offer in cultural activities, opportunities, etc but Konin seemed as nice when we were there last in 2004. We'll see what happens once we arrive. David Piekarczyk http://david-polanddavid.blogspot.com/

Hi Maryann I brought American gifts for my family in Poland and Belarus and THEY LOVED THEM I brought Russell stover boxes of Chocolates and M " M's Candy I brought American flag buttons and American baseball caps for the men, American Flag pins for everyone American flag bracelets for the women and then brought each of the ladies some earrings from the US..... I used Oriental trading company.com to buy the American things on the internet They have lots on their site Enjoy your trip and please let me know how you did in Poland God bless and Hugs Rose Zydel Olson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryann Maciejewski" <maryann_mack@hotmail.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Cc: <jbernosky@olc.accomack.k12.va.us> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [PBS] My upcoming trip to Poland (Gawrych Ruda / Bryzgiel) Hello Hello, Witam! Jack and Rose, I am very excited to read about the trip to Poland and meeting of family. I am not so easy to share in these forums most of the time, but I am sharing a lot now in this message and many will probably not care, but I am so excited. On Aug 30 I will depart to meet my Burzycki family. They live in Gawrych Ruda near Lake Wigry, a most pristene forest area in all of Europe from what I have been reading - Wigry Nat'l Forest area http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_en.htm. I have only found my family this last November after looking for them for about 10 years. I was very blessed - with some smart searching, posting and luck!!! My new found cousin Janet was the LUCK for me and very important person Tadeusz Wysocki of Poland Genealogy Forum:http://genforum.genealogy.com/poland/messages/37996.html I have befriended the translator I was using and so I invited her and her husband for my travels there. My family invited them also. She is a journalist / professor / business start-up for young artists, and her husband is a chef in Wroclaw. They will pick me up in Warsaw and we will spend the night at Hotel Maria http://www.hotelmaria.pl/ which looks very charming. Then on Saturday we will in (new car for them) drive to Gawrych Ruda where I have booked us two 'apartments' in a beautiful lodge (Bachus) near the lake. http://www.bachus.suwalszczyzna.com.pl/index.php I am so lucky because I do not speak any Polski, but I have been trying to study. We may go tot he Baltic Sea for a day also and canoe the Hanscza River and I want to go mushrooming too. I am getting very anxious for all of this and most to meet my Poland family. http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr19_gawrych.htm My babcia (Sushoska / Poplawski) is from Brzygiel just on the other side of the lake and that must be how my grandparents met..... http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr20_bryzgiel.htm I will try to find my babcia's family there when I visit. http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_de2.htm (clearly shows me that a romance began over the lake) I want to bring gifts with me but I am a small person with a knee replacement and so I really want to pack light. Does anyone have any good suggestion for US gifts that maybe you can't get so easy in Poland and light to pack? Thought I would throw that out there and see if maybe you can all offer me some good suggestions......... How can I best bring gifts with me? should I pack boxes or try to carry in my luggage.... I really need to bring gifts. and I really really love pierogies and golumbkis or golabkis (ha ha) and my mother makes the best pierogies ever!!!!!!!!! and I love my Polish Pottery big time! I have a great collection that I use in my everyday life. Some of the best pottery made in all the world! Please to all my PBS sisters and brothers - send on the information if you have any to share with me. Dziękuję Maryann Marianna Burzycka as the nuns would have me say...... > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 > 00:25:39 -0400> From: chrishuk@aol.com> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to > Poland> > I have driven in Poland several times.? About 7 miles from > Warsaw the roads are very American and after that they become two lane no > shoulder roads.? Driving is not bad except for the maniacs who pass just > feet away from you.? This is common.? However, they must be excellent > drivers as I never saw an accident.? Once you get into the villages , the > roads become one lane dirt roads and if it rains you now have a one lane > wet ditch.? Twice I had to get out of my car and move cows who would > decided to stand in the middle of the one lane dirt road.? Make sure that > you get a good Polish road atlas map, the maps that come with a rental car > will not get you anywhere.? This is the only way to get to your family > villages.? I never saw a bus going on these dirt roads.? Villagers of all > ages and sex ride bikes.> > Choosing Italian drivers over Polish ones (I > was just in Italy a month ago) I would choose the Poles.? I think that the > only way to cross the street in Rome is to close your eyes and run, hoping > that the cars will not hit you.> > > -----Original Message-----> From: > Sandra <skbdesign@yahoo.com>> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: > Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:16 pm> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland> > > > Hi > Rose,> > Glad you had a wonderful experience!> We would like to go to > Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , how > did you get > around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than driving in > > Italy! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in Poland.> > > Thanks,> Sandra in sunny CA> > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> > wrote:> Hi Noreen> Thanks for asking> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I > EVER ANTICIPATED....> > LOT air is great, I would highly recommend it to > anyone thinking of > traveling to Poland or Eastern Europe> > We stayed in > the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw> EXCELLENT, expensive, but well worth > it> We had a banquet there for 20 family members that I have never met > before> What a family Re-union or should I say UNION....> > Family came > from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband and I.> > Saw > Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. etc....Bialystok, > > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, Southern Sections and > > some Northern Sections of the country)> And the FARMLANDS ARE > AMAZING....> > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but nothing > can compare to the > rye, wheat farms in Poland> > Hugs and God bless you > all> Rose Zydel Olson> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough > Golobki Already!!!> > > > Hi Rose,> > Welcome back and how was the trip?> > > Noreen> >> >> >> > ************************************** Get a sneak > peek of the all-new AOL> > at> > > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> >> > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to> > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the > word 'unsubscribe'> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from > the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message> > > > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address.> Have a > HUGE year through Yahoo! 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I would put all presents into a suitcase with wheels.  Easier than carting a box.  -----Original Message----- From: Maryann Maciejewski <maryann_mack@hotmail.com> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com Cc: jbernosky@olc.accomack.k12.va.us Sent: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:57 am Subject: Re: [PBS] My upcoming trip to Poland (Gawrych Ruda / Bryzgiel) Hello Hello, Witam! Jack and Rose, I am very excited to read about the trip to oland and meeting of family. I am not so easy to share in these forums most of he time, but I am sharing a lot now in this message and many will probably not are, but I am so excited. On Aug 30 I will depart to meet my Burzycki family. hey live in Gawrych Ruda near Lake Wigry, a most pristene forest area in all of urope from what I have been reading - Wigry Nat'l Forest area ttp://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_en.htm. I have only found my family this ast November after looking for them for about 10 years. I was very blessed - ith some smart searching, posting and luck!!! My new found cousin Janet was he LUCK for me and very important person Tadeusz Wysocki of Poland Genealogy orum:http://genforum.genealogy.com/poland/messages/37996.html I have befriended he translator I was using and so I invited her and her husband for my travels here. My family invited them also. She is a journalist / professor / business tart-up for young artists, and her husband is a chef in Wroclaw. They will ick me up in Warsaw and we will spend the night at Hotel Maria ttp://www.hotelmaria.pl/ which looks very charming. Then on Saturday we will n (new car for them) drive to Gawrych Ruda where I have booked us two apartments' in a beautiful lodge (Bachus) near the lake. http://www.bachus.suwalszczyzna.com.pl/index.php am so lucky because I do not speak any Polski, but I have been trying to tudy. We may go tot he Baltic Sea for a day also and canoe the Hanscza River nd I want to go mushrooming too. I am getting very anxious for all of this and ost to meet my Poland family. http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr19_gawrych.htm y babcia (Sushoska / Poplawski) is from Brzygiel just on the other side of the ake and that must be how my grandparents met..... http://www.wigry.win.pl/kwartalnik/nr20_bryzgiel.htm will try to find my babcia's family there when I visit. http://www.wigry.win.pl/parki/wpn/wpn_de2.htm clearly shows me that a romance began over the lake) I want to bring gifts with e but I am a small person with a knee replacement and so I really want to pack ight. Does anyone have any good suggestion for US gifts that maybe you can't et so easy in Poland and light to pack? Thought I would throw that out there nd see if maybe you can all offer me some good suggestions......... How can I est bring gifts with me? should I pack boxes or try to carry in my luggage.... really need to bring gifts. and I really really love pierogies and golumbkis r golabkis (ha ha) and my mother makes the best pierogies ever!!!!!!!!! and I ove my Polish Pottery big time! I have a great collection that I use in my veryday life. Some of the best pottery made in all the world! Please to all my BS sisters and brothers - send on the information if you have any to share with e. ziękuję Maryann Marianna Burzycka as the nuns would have me say...... > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:25:39 -0400> rom: chrishuk@aol.com> Subject: Re: [PBS] My trip to Poland> > I have driven in oland several times.? About 7 miles from Warsaw the roads are very American and fter that they become two lane no shoulder roads.? Driving is not bad except or the maniacs who pass just feet away from you.? This is common.? However, hey must be excellent drivers as I never saw an accident.? Once you get into he villages , the roads become one lane dirt roads and if it rains you now have one lane wet ditch.? Twice I had to get out of my car and move cows who would ecided to stand in the middle of the one lane dirt road.? Make sure that you et a good Polish road atlas map, the maps that come with a rental car will not et you anywhere.? This is the only way to get to your family villages.? I never aw a bus going on these dirt roads.? Villagers of all ages and sex ride bikes.> Choosing Italian drivers over Polish ones (I was just in Italy a month ago) I ould choose the Poles.? I think that the only way to cross the street in Rome s to close your eyes and run, hoping that the cars will not hit you.> > > ----Original Message-----> From: Sandra <skbdesign@yahoo.com>> To: olandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 9:16 pm> Subject: Re: PBS] My trip to Poland> > > > Hi Rose,> > Glad you had a wonderful experience!> e would like to go to Poland next year... did you drive at all? If not , how > id you get around? I've heard that driving in Poland is worse than driving in > taly! We survived that, but wonder if we should try it in Poland.> > Thanks,> andra in sunny CA> > Jack and Rose <thankgod@optonline.net> wrote:> Hi Noreen> hanks for asking> IT WAS BETTER THAN MY HUSBAND OR I EVER ANTICIPATED....> > OT air is great, I would highly recommend it to anyone thinking of > traveling o Poland or Eastern Europe> > We stayed in the Warsawa Westin Hotel in Warsaw> XCELLENT, expensive, but well worth it> We had a banquet there for 20 family embers that I have never met before> What a family Re-union or should I say NION....> > Family came from Belarus and all parts of Poland to meet my husband nd I.> > Saw Warsawa, Krakow, Concentration Camps in Auschwitz. tc....Bialystok, > Poltusk, oh so many towns ( mostly Center of Poland, outhern Sections and > some Northern Sections of the country)> And the ARMLANDS ARE AMAZING....> > I thought Lancaster County PA was beautiful, but othing can compare to the > rye, wheat farms in Poland> > Hugs and God bless ou all> Rose Zydel Olson> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > o: > > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:57 PM> Subject: Re: [PBS] Enough Golobki lready!!!> > > > Hi Rose,> > Welcome back and how was the trip?> > Noreen> >> > >> > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new OL> > at> > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> >> > ------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an mail to> > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word unsubscribe'> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please end an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message> > > ---------------------------------> Get your own web address.> Have a HUGE ear through Yahoo! 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You know it always bugged me that people talked about the ethnic "stuff". Then one day I realized that part of the ethnic-food, costumes etc..- especially what you grew up eating whether you liked it or disliked it can be an indication of what part of the country your ancestors came from! In my own family some of the foods I grew up with helped me establish where some of my Polish family was. They still eat the same foods today. Even funnier the same recipes.. Yes there's another site about food and Easter Eggs and other customs..but ..I did get a great recipe for cabbage rolls! and IF YOU USE THE SUBJECT LINE CORRECTLY you can always delete. Sometimes it's just exciting to see the names of some of those yummy foods and it brings back great memories. poppy seed cake and those yummy twist things made out of flour, deep fried and dipped in icing sugar.. ! I never knew some of the names but they sure are good.! We should be happy to have such an exciting group of people that are always wanting to share.! Charlene Herbert in ONtario Canada...

Rose, I beg to differ with you. Very few drive that fast on the good roads let alone the smaller two lane roads. And gas is expensive about 6 US dollars per gallon. Jim On Jul 18, 2007, at 8:30 PM, Jack and Rose wrote: > Hi Sandra > > The drivers in Poland are absolutely crazy and daredevils LOL > They drive on an average of about 95 miles an hour,,, on two lane " > expressways" One lane each way.... so its a STREET TO ME IN THE USA > and these little cars PASS THREE 18 Wheeler trucks at the same time > with ON > COMING TRAFFIC... > (Oh God was great and certainly protected us while we were there, > prayers > certainly were heard and answered) > Thank God we had our wonderful friend Anna driving us all around... > We did > take a few taxi's around Warsaw and that was okay. > But I could not imagine renting a car and driving around Poland Kuba Przedzienkowski jimpres1@mac.com kuba@przedzienkowski.com www.przedzienkowski.com