Thank you Fred. I did not think to search for a unas ending. VAICELIUNAS !!! There are listings in the Lithuanian telephone directory. Now the researcher has at least that much. You are a jewel. I checked Polish anusz and had not luck. No matter what I tried I could find anything similar. Maybe he will find records, which will give him a place name to search. This is the Lithuanian online telephone directory, which I used when trying to help. http://telefonai.zebra.lt/index.php?language=english Tina On 10/7/07, Fred Hoffman <wmfhoffman@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi, > > John Windle <johnwindle@btinternet.com> asked: > > > Has anyone heard of a Russian or maybe Polish > > surname, > > VAUCHGLANUS or VOUCHYLANUS. I am searching > > for info on this family who moved from Russia to > > Liverpool > > around 1880. In some records the name was > > shortened to Vouch. > > Neither of those names looks or sounds remotely > Polish or Russian. My best guess would be > Lithuanian, because Lithuanian surnames often end > in -ANIS, -ONYS, -ANUS, etc. And as others have > remarked, Lithuania was part of the Russian Empire > from roughly 1772 to the end of World War I. So a > Lithuanian would be categorized as a Russian, > officially speaking. (Historically Lithuania and > Poland were long joined as a single nation; and > between World Wars I and II much of Lithuania was > ruled by Poland. That could explain how Polish > became part of the mix.) > > If you put a gun to my head and made me guess at > the original name, I'd guess something along the > lines of VAICELIUNAS (with a little v mark over > the C), which would sound kind of like > "vi-chell-OO-nass." That's a very rough indication > of what it would sound like -- talk to a > Lithuanian to hear what it really sounds like. My > point is that VAICELIUNAS is a moderately common > name among Lithuanians, and it could easily be > misspelled by someone who wasn't familiar with the > name. Also, Lithuanian A often equates to O in > Russian, and all official documents had to be in > Russian, with names usually written phonetically > in the Cyrillic alphabet. It wouldn't be odd for > VAICELIUNAS to be transliterated into Cyrillic > characters that equate to VOICHILUNAS. Then when > someone unfamiliar with Lithuanian tried to render > that in our alphabet, VOUCHYLANUS could easily be > the result. > > I can't guarantee that this is right, but I've run > into plenty of similar cases. You have to realize, > you're talking about 1) Lithuanian names 2) being > Russified and rendered in Cyrillic, and then 3) > being spelled out in Roman letters, and then 4) > being massacred further by people who were totally > unfamiliar with Russian and Lithuanian. So the Y > of handwritten VOUCHYLANUS could be misread as a > G, and the O's misread as A. It's that kind of > process that could account for where VAUCHGLANUS > came from. > > I know that's a lot of if's and maybe's -- but > surnames were mutilated all the time, and often > there's no way to reconstruct the original from > the mangled version with any certainty. All I'm > saying is, the name forms you mention sound like > mutilated Lithuanian to me, and that's plausible > because Lithuania was officially part of Russia at > the time. The original name might have been > something like VAICELIUNAS. Or it might not. > Proving it, one way or the other, is the tough > part. But at least these remarks might give you a > little more to work with. > > Fred Hoffman > Author, _Polish Surnames: Origins & Meanings_ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The questions are for us to try to help you. Sometimes we get very lucky. The more information we have the more chance there is we can helpl you find other researchers in your family if they are researching. Doing Polish research is not easy if you do not speak the language. Most descendants of Polish people in the US today do not speak Polish. Your other research was easy because you know the language. As stated before there are two places named Radom. One is a village in a different part of Poland. In the area where you are working, Radom is a city, a powiat (county) and a województwo (province). So ... now we know Ilza and Biedrzychow are villages in that area. Thank you. If you are truly interested in doing a genealogical research, the next thing is to find out the names of the parishes for these places, by using the Slownik. Once you know that you can order microfilm from the LDS and work on researching your stepmother in law's family. It can be done, but I gather you are interested in doing the research yourself. You are trying to find someone who has already done all the legwork. That's okay. I hope if you found someone else's work on the other side of your family that you someday confirm the other "person's" research by obtaining your own documention. I have had instances where people have assumed two different branches of my English side of my family tree were their family. I had to threaten one before he would remove my information from his family tree. I wrote and told him that I was going to make a list of surnames in his tree and send a letter to every mail list that for those names and tell them that his entire family tree is fiction and explain how he put my family in his his tree. Luckily he saved me a lot of work. He removed my data. With English names is is much easier to make mistakes like that. We should never assume anything in genealogical research. The other person removed my data when she realized my family was of a different race. This is all true. You can have strange things happen, when people assume you are related to them. You need documentation. Someday I hope you will do this with the rest of your research. Genealogy is not a game. It's a work of love. Someone gave you the Surname Navigator link. That is an excellent site to use to find other researchers. http://www.kuijsten.de/navigator/. It can search the US and Poland sites for you. Just select the country you want. There's a spot wehre you can do that. Good luck to you. :) Tina On 10/7/07, Pamela Jansen <pamela_jansen@yahoo.com> wrote: > I don't have a pare trail to follow. This is my step mother in laws > family, an she has told me all she knows. He brother and parents are dead. > She has one sister, and she has questione her already,as she has tried to do > the family tree. Ibelieve these places come rom her. > It wsmy belief, and I may be wromg, but I thouight Radom was either a > large city or a County, and that Ilza and Biedrzychow / Biedzychow might be > smaller villages within the area of Radom. > The Census, that I have are in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. They > all just say they are from Poland/Russia. No towns or hints there. Most > changed their names from Polish toan English equivalent (Marcin became > Martin, Katerzina, Catherine, Antoninm Anthony, etc. > I appreciate you trying to help me. But I am afraid this list is so much > differentthanthe British ones I am use to that I don't know what else to > do. I do not have money to spend on birth and death certificates etc. I have > already spent more than I can count on y own family. I just wanted my > Stepmother in law to be happy, and be included in the work I plan to give my > family at Christmas. My hopes were that someone else on this list, including > possiblly er sister might respond that they are ealted and have some > answers, and where to go once studying in Poland. > I am sorry I cannot provide what you need, please don't spend any more > time trying to help me, I will just give her what I have typed up already. > > Thanks Again for all your help so far, Pamela > > pam.jansen @ insightbb. com > > Reasearching in Poland and Pennsylvania ; RZEPKA, KRAKOWIAK, KOTARSKI, > PLUSA > > > Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Pam, > > You need to find records ... physical records ... paper documents. You > cannot work do research using misspelled places or names or maybes. There > are two places named Biedrzychow, one named Ilza and two named Radom. > Please narrow it down for us. We need to know the exact place because > records are filed by the place born, married or died, their religion and > their parish or administrative district. If they are over 100 years old, > they will be in an archive. We need places and time frames on where to let > you know you can find records on your family. > > Please explain how you came up three place names. > > Thank you. > > Tina > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > wrote: > > > > I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. > > > > Tina Ellis > wrote: Where have you searched? > > > > You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, > > which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are > > not repeating what you have done. > > > > Tina Ellis > > > > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > > wrote: > > > > > > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe > > > Ilza > > > or > > > Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > > > > > > > > > Children: > > > > > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > > > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, > > > Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > > > > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and > > > never > > > seen or > > > heard from again. > > > > > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: > ? > > > > > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France > 1 > > > son each marriage. > > > D: ? > > > > > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! 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I don't have a pare trail to follow. This is my step mother in laws family, an she has told me all she knows. He brother and parents are dead. She has one sister, and she has questione her already,as she has tried to do the family tree. Ibelieve these places come rom her. It wsmy belief, and I may be wromg, but I thouight Radom was either a large city or a County, and that Ilza and Biedrzychow / Biedzychow might be smaller villages within the area of Radom. The Census, that I have are in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. They all just say they are from Poland/Russia. No towns or hints there. Most changed their names from Polish toan English equivalent (Marcin became Martin, Katerzina, Catherine, Antoninm Anthony, etc. I appreciate you trying to help me. But I am afraid this list is so much differentthanthe British ones I am use to that I don't know what else to do. I do not have money to spend on birth and death certificates etc. I have already spent more than I can count on y own family. I just wanted my Stepmother in law to be happy, and be included in the work I plan to give my family at Christmas. My hopes were that someone else on this list, including possiblly er sister might respond that they are ealted and have some answers, and where to go once studying in Poland. I am sorry I cannot provide what you need, please don't spend any more time trying to help me, I will just give her what I have typed up already. Thanks Again for all your help so far, Pamela pam.jansen @ insightbb. com Reasearching in Poland and Pennsylvania ; RZEPKA, KRAKOWIAK, KOTARSKI, PLUSA Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Pam, You need to find records ... physical records ... paper documents. You cannot work do research using misspelled places or names or maybes. There are two places named Biedrzychow, one named Ilza and two named Radom. Please narrow it down for us. We need to know the exact place because records are filed by the place born, married or died, their religion and their parish or administrative district. If they are over 100 years old, they will be in an archive. We need places and time frames on where to let you know you can find records on your family. Please explain how you came up three place names. Thank you. Tina On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen wrote: > > I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. > > Tina Ellis wrote: Where have you searched? > > You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, > which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are > not repeating what you have done. > > Tina Ellis > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > wrote: > > > > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe > > Ilza > > or > > Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > > > > > Children: > > > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, > > Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and > > never > > seen or > > heard from again. > > > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? > > > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 > > son each marriage. > > D: ? > > > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.

I don't have a pare trail to follow. This is my step mother in laws family, an she has told me all she knows. He brother and parents are dead. She has one sister, and she has questione her already,as she has tried to do the family tree. Ibelieve these places come rom her. It wsmy belief, and I may be wromg, but I thouight Radom was either a large city or a County, and that Ilza and Biedrzychow / Biedzychow might be smaller villages within the area of Radom. The Census, that I have are in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. They all just say they are from Poland/Russia. No towns or hints there. Most changed their names from Polish toan English equivalent (Marcin became Martin, Katerzina, Catherine, Antoninm Anthony, etc. I appreciate you trying to help me. But I am afraid this list is so much differentthanthe British ones I am use to that I don't know what else to do. I do not have money to spend on birth and death certificates etc. I have already spent more than I can count on y own family. I just wanted my Stepmother in law to be happy, and be included in the work I plan to give my family at Christmas. My hopes were that someone else on this list, including possiblly er sister might respond that they are ealted and have some answers, and where to go once studying in Poland. I am sorry I cannot provide what you need, please don't spend any more time trying to help me, I will just give her what I have typed up already. Thanks Again for all your help so far, Pamela pam.jansen @ insightbb. com Reasearching in Poland and Pennsylvania ; RZEPKA, KRAKOWIAK, KOTARSKI, PLUSA Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Pam, You need to find records ... physical records ... paper documents. You cannot work do research using misspelled places or names or maybes. There are two places named Biedrzychow, one named Ilza and two named Radom. Please narrow it down for us. We need to know the exact place because records are filed by the place born, married or died, their religion and their parish or administrative district. If they are over 100 years old, they will be in an archive. We need places and time frames on where to let you know you can find records on your family. Please explain how you came up three place names. Thank you. Tina On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen wrote: > > I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. > > Tina Ellis wrote: Where have you searched? > > You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, > which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are > not repeating what you have done. > > Tina Ellis > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > wrote: > > > > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe > > Ilza > > or > > Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > > > > > Children: > > > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, > > Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and > > never > > seen or > > heard from again. > > > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? > > > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 > > son each marriage. > > D: ? > > > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today!

I know of a few Wilks in Canada - one of them came to Canada in 1927. Knew him and his family personally!! Molly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [PBS] WILK > Where is Avoca, Pa? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <toliversf@aol.com> > To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:10 PM > Subject: [PBS] WILK > > >> Thank you all for the valuable link ( >> http://www.kuijsten.de/navigator/poland/) b/c I was able to find other >> WILKs. However, I don't think they're my direct relatives - yet (still >> trying to piece things together). Thanks everyone else, too for helping >> with names and such. I'm having a great time, although I can only afford >> to do it piecemeal now. >> >> If anyone's interested, my relatives are Adalbert (Wojciech) Wilk born >> abt >> 1872 in Austria; Sofia (Zofie) Garzda (Garda)-Wilk born abt 1880 in >> Galicia. I have the ship manifests and US censuses, but no records prior. >> They lived in Avoca, PA all their "American" lives. >> >> Have a great day. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ADAM UMPEROVITCH <ajumper28@yahoo.com> >> To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:15 pm >> Subject: Re: [PBS] Warkala >> >> >> >> Hello, Thank you for your help and the information. >> >> Take care >> Adam >> >> Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello Adam, >> >> There is a site I use to see if there are others researching surnames. >> It's >> called the Surname Navigator. It seems to be owned by someone in Germany. >> It works well for me. I have been able to find family of mine doing >> research using it. You will need to disable your popup blocker to get it >> to >> work. Note you can designate in what country you wish to search or >> nationality. Click on the red and white Polish flad under Chinese flag. I >> would search US (if this is to where your family move) and Poland, of >> course. http://www.kuijsten.de/navigator/poland/ >> >> Tina >> >> >> On 10/3/07, ADAM UMPEROVITCH wrote: >>> >>> Just checking to see if anyone else is searching the surname Warkala. >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! >>> Autos. >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of >> the message >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - >> http://mail.aol.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would there be any citizenship papers? If there are and they give a place name where he was born, knowing that may help. With that, if there are records in Poland, you could possibly find his birth record. How about a record of death on him? That could give a place of birth also. Tina On 10/7/07, John Windle <johnwindle@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi Tina, > The name first showed up in the 1891 Census of England. A family of 5 with > the name VAUCHGLANUS where living in Liverpool. Head of the family was > William and where born says Russia (British Subject ), occupation was > Tailor. They did have a Peter MIRICH staying with them also from Russia > and > also a Tailor. Then a birth record for one of his children born in 1890 > says Margaret VOUCHYLUNAS and in 1912 when Margaret gets married the > Certificate has the name VOUCH. I checked for Peter MIRICH in the 1901 > census and he was now MIRISH and states POLISH (British Subject). All > very > confusing. Can you make sense of it all ?. > > Thanks > John > > johnwindle@btinternet.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tina Ellis" <polska.research@gmail.com> > To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 4:16 AM > Subject: Re: [PBS] SURNAME > > > > Wow ... This is a tough one. I don't think it is Lithuanian. I think > it > > is > > either a Polish or a Russian name very misspelled. > > > > John ... On what documents have you found these spellings? > > > > Tina Ellis > > > > > > > > On 10/6/07, John Windle <johnwindle@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> Has anyone heard of a Russian or maybe Polish surname, > >> VAUCHGLANUS or VOUCHYLANUS. I am searching for info on this family who > >> moved from Russia to Liverpool around 1880. In some records the name > was > >> shortened to Vouch. > >> Regards > >> John > >> > >> johnwindle@btinternet.com > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There are also Wilks in Canada - I know of some myself. The one came to Canada in July 1927 - know that for a fact. Molly ----- Original Message ----- From: <toliversf@aol.com> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: [PBS] WILK > Thank you all for the valuable link ( > http://www.kuijsten.de/navigator/poland/) b/c I was able to find other > WILKs. However, I don't think they're my direct relatives - yet (still > trying to piece things together). Thanks everyone else, too for helping > with names and such. I'm having a great time, although I can only afford > to do it piecemeal now. > > If anyone's interested, my relatives are Adalbert (Wojciech) Wilk born abt > 1872 in Austria; Sofia (Zofie) Garzda (Garda)-Wilk born abt 1880 in > Galicia. I have the ship manifests and US censuses, but no records prior. > They lived in Avoca, PA all their "American" lives. > > Have a great day. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ADAM UMPEROVITCH <ajumper28@yahoo.com> > To: polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:15 pm > Subject: Re: [PBS] Warkala > > > > Hello, Thank you for your help and the information. > > Take care > Adam > > Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Adam, > > There is a site I use to see if there are others researching surnames. > It's > called the Surname Navigator. It seems to be owned by someone in Germany. > It works well for me. I have been able to find family of mine doing > research using it. You will need to disable your popup blocker to get it > to > work. Note you can designate in what country you wish to search or > nationality. Click on the red and white Polish flad under Chinese flag. I > would search US (if this is to where your family move) and Poland, of > course. http://www.kuijsten.de/navigator/poland/ > > Tina > > > On 10/3/07, ADAM UMPEROVITCH wrote: >> >> Just checking to see if anyone else is searching the surname Warkala. >> >> Adam >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! >> Autos. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - > http://mail.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all, Has anyone heard of a Russian or maybe Polish surname, VAUCHGLANUS or VOUCHYLANUS. I am searching for info on this family who moved from Russia to Liverpool around 1880. In some records the name was shortened to Vouch. Regards John johnwindle@btinternet.com

Is it possible that Krystyna and Kateryna could the spelling of the same name? I received the name Krystyna from a Polish source, and Kateryna from a Ukrainian source. Ralph Harris

Pamela, If you go to the archives and search for Krakowiak in 2007, you will see the posts in answer to your queries in September on this message board. There should be something there to help you fill in some information, so that we do not duplicate information already posted. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search This looks like all of the posts: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/polandbordersurnames/2007-09/1190074204 I don't know if you have seen this manifest: Jan Krakowiak immigrated to the US in 1913, going to his brother-in-law, Tomasz Zebrowska in Pennsylvania. Is Thomas the husband of Amelia? This is the manifest page: this page and next page. http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipManifest.asp?pID=100666050045 The obituaries of the people in Pittsburgh may provide you with more information, as will death certificates. Would you tell us what 'links' you are missing? Regards, Mary Pamela Jansen wrote: > I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. > > Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: Where have you searched? > > You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, > which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are > not repeating what you have done. > > Tina Ellis > > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > wrote: >> Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe >> Ilza or Biedzychow, or Radom. >> Children: >> Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland >> D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. >> Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and >> never seen or heard from again. >> Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? >> Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 >> son each marriage. D: ? >> >> Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela >> >> >

Wow ... This is a tough one. I don't think it is Lithuanian. I think it is either a Polish or a Russian name very misspelled. John ... On what documents have you found these spellings? Tina Ellis On 10/6/07, John Windle <johnwindle@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > Has anyone heard of a Russian or maybe Polish surname, > VAUCHGLANUS or VOUCHYLANUS. I am searching for info on this family who > moved from Russia to Liverpool around 1880. In some records the name was > shortened to Vouch. > Regards > John > > johnwindle@btinternet.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kataryna is not Krystyna. One is Katherine and the other is Christine. On 10/6/07, Harris R. <rharris@accesscomm.ca> wrote: > > Is it possible that Krystyna and Kateryna could the spelling of the same > name? I received the name Krystyna from a Polish source, and Kateryna from a > Ukrainian source. > > Ralph Harris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you found the ship manifests? What year did which of the people immigrate to the US according to the census records you found? Do you have the naturalization, marriage, baptismal, birth records from the US? Regards, Mary Pamela Jansen wrote: > I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. > > Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: Where have you searched? > > You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, > which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are > not repeating what you have done. > > Tina Ellis > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > wrote: > >> Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe >> Ilza >> or >> Biedzychow, or Radom. >> >> >> >> Children: >> >> Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland >> D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, >> Pennsylvania, U.S.A. >> >> Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and >> never >> seen or >> heard from again. >> >> Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? >> >> Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 >> son each marriage. >> D: ? >> >> Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! >> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! >> Games. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi Pam, You need to find records ... physical records ... paper documents. You cannot work do research using misspelled places or names or maybes. There are two places named Biedrzychow, one named Ilza and two named Radom. Please narrow it down for us. We need to know the exact place because records are filed by the place born, married or died, their religion and their parish or administrative district. If they are over 100 years old, they will be in an archive. We need places and time frames on where to let you know you can find records on your family. Please explain how you came up three place names. Thank you. Tina On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen <pamela_jansen@yahoo.com> wrote: > > I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. > > Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: Where have you searched? > > You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, > which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are > not repeating what you have done. > > Tina Ellis > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > wrote: > > > > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe > > Ilza > > or > > Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > > > > > Children: > > > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, > > Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and > > never > > seen or > > heard from again. > > > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? > > > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 > > son each marriage. > > D: ? > > > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > >

No I have none of these certificates, I do have census' and they do have theyear of immigratin on one, I think it was 1910 or 1913, I will check and get back on the web. I am on my way out . Thanks Mary Snow <marysnow@bellsouth.net> wrote: Have you found the ship manifests? What year did which of the people immigrate to the US according to the census records you found? Do you have the naturalization, marriage, baptismal, birth records from the US? Regards, Mary Pamela Jansen wrote: > I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. > > Tina Ellis wrote: Where have you searched? > > You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, > which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are > not repeating what you have done. > > Tina Ellis > > > On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen > wrote: > >> Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe >> Ilza >> or >> Biedzychow, or Radom. >> >> >> >> Children: >> >> Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland >> D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, >> Pennsylvania, U.S.A. >> >> Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and >> never >> seen or >> heard from again. >> >> Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? >> >> Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? >> >> Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 >> son each marriage. >> D: ? >> >> Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! >> Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! >> Games. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Building a website is a piece of cake. > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more!

Pamela For the search in the U.S.A. If You search for some records in the U.S.A. , then check out the link http://www.loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html They want You to use Their FFI ( Family Finders Index ) section , before You e-mail a volunteer for a free lookup. AND forGermany/ Prussia Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town, of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Jansen" <pamela_jansen@yahoo.com> To: <PolandBorderSurnames-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: [PBS] Surname- KRAKOWIAK > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe Ilza > or Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > Children: > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and never > seen or heard from again. > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 son each marriage. > D: ? > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok Thanks. Karl Roussin <kroussin@fidnet.com> wrote: Pamela For the search in the U.S.A. If You search for some records in the U.S.A. , then check out the link http://www.loricase.com/CDs/cdlist.html They want You to use Their FFI ( Family Finders Index ) section , before You e-mail a volunteer for a free lookup. AND forGermany/ Prussia Check out http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp or http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ or http://www.surnamenavigator.org/ Just fill out the blanks , and click " search " , or " go " If the records are not entered , then You may have to order some films , of that town, of that time , from the FHC library Karl Roussin ============================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Jansen" To: Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 12:02 PM Subject: [PBS] Surname- KRAKOWIAK > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe Ilza > or Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > Children: > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and never > seen or heard from again. > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 son each marriage. > D: ? > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

I have done ancestry.com and asked family, and googled the names. Tina Ellis <polska.research@gmail.com> wrote: Where have you searched? You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are not repeating what you have done. Tina Ellis On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen wrote: > > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe > Ilza > or > Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > Children: > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, > Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and > never > seen or > heard from again. > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 > son each marriage. > D: ? > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.

Where have you searched? You left the playing field wide open. We could all give you suggestions, which you may have already tried. Please narrow it down for us so we are not repeating what you have done. Tina Ellis On 10/6/07, Pamela Jansen <pamela_jansen@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe > Ilza > or > Biedzychow, or Radom. > > > > Children: > > Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland > D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, > Pennsylvania, U.S.A. > > Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and > never > seen or > heard from again. > > Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? > > Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? > > Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 > son each marriage. > D: ? > > Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela > > > --------------------------------- > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! > Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! > Games. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLANDBORDERSURNAMES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jan KRAKOWIAK *married* Uliana RZEPKA / somewhere in Poland, maybe Ilza or Biedzychow, or Radom. Children: Antoinette KRAKOWIAK B: 2-16-1887 Biedzychow, Radom, Poland D: 9-22-1942 Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. Bolek KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Inducted into Russian Army and never seen or heard from again. Geofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Teofil (aka) Theofil KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Feliks (aka) Felix KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Amelia KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: Mr. Zebroski in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania? D: ? Zdieslaw KRAKOWIAK B: ? M: ? D: ? Stanislava aka (Stella) B: ? M: 1st time in U.S.A. 2nd time in France 1 son each marriage. D: ? Can anyone help me find the missing links here ? Thank You, Pamela --------------------------------- Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.