If you could post a link to the manifest or port, date, name or your grandfather, as well as where your grandfather lived in America, members of the mailing list can look at the manifest to decipher as well as show you other sources to help you in your search. As stated, first papers refers to naturalization papers. When the exact town name is determined, a search for microfilm from the Latter Day Saints will enable you to order the microfilm and find more records for your ancestors. Church and civil records where he lived will help in your search. Many times the death certificate and church marriage records will give you more information. Mary Chris wrote: > Has anyone been able to locate their ancestors 1st papers? > I was told I would have to contact the town my grandfather was born in unless he was in the military,at which he may have applied to come to the USA thru the military.My grandfathers' manifest states his residence was Schinkell..I can't find that place anywhere.Can anyone shed some light on this please. > > >

Yes, I've found some on Footnote.com, which is great if your ancestors were naturalized in Pittsburgh PA (and other places I'm not familiar with I'm sure) because they collected all incoming papers together for the naturalization. On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: > Has anyone been able to locate their ancestors 1st papers? > I was told I would have to contact the town my grandfather was born in > unless he was in the military,at which he may have applied to come to the > USA thru the military.My grandfathers' manifest states his residence was > Schinkell..I can't find that place anywhere.Can anyone shed some light on > this please. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I forgot to tell you that Ancestry.com used to have some of the naturalization records for military personnell, who applied after entering the service. Tina On 12/2/08, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: > > Has anyone been able to locate their ancestors 1st papers? > I was told I would have to contact the town my grandfather was born in > unless he was in the military,at which he may have applied to come to the > USA thru the military.My grandfathers' manifest states his residence was > Schinkell..I can't find that place anywhere.Can anyone shed some light on > this please. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

If your grandfather was not born in the US, contacting the town where he was born will not help. First papers can be found in the US where they were filed. Usually it was in the local superior court, which covered the town where he was residing. Municipal courts cover cities. Superior courts cover counties. If your grandfather moved before the waiting period was up to file his petition, he could still proceed with the process to become a citizen without refiling any first papers. You need to know all the places he lived in the US before he became a citizen to be able to search for those records. After 1906, the filing place was changed to the Federal District Courts, who became the agency where the entire naturalization process was handled. In some areas of the US, the change did not occur, but in most it did. Here is a nice link to help you understand the paper trail for the naturalization process. It is at the NARA website. http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/naturalization.html Sometimes different libraries, historical or genealogy associations have them because the courts have passed them on for others to have for us to have access. So ... check with the respectived courthouses in the places where he lived, if known. If you do not know all of them, you may never find that one document. Tina Ellis On 12/2/08, Chris <[email protected]> wrote: > > Has anyone been able to locate their ancestors 1st papers? > I was told I would have to contact the town my grandfather was born in > unless he was in the military,at which he may have applied to come to the > USA thru the military.My grandfathers' manifest states his residence was > Schinkell..I can't find that place anywhere.Can anyone shed some light on > this please. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks - I will check out the website. Kathy McKee ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 01:20:31 -0800 From: "the cohens" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PBS] Surname Shacher To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Or even Schacher? I found a few trees for the Schacher surname at: http://tribalpages.com/tribe/ancestors?fname=&lname=schacher&dyf=&dyt= With transcription and translation errors, any spelling that sounds the same could be a possible match. But there also are a lot of hits for your exact Shacher surname at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi Maybe researchers of the same surname can tell you a lot more if you contact the ones whose trees seem like your family might be related. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:08:31 -0500 From: "Jim Onyschuk" <[email protected]> Subject: [PBS] Next TUGG Meeting To: "EPOSHTA2" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "INFOUKES" <[email protected]>, "KONTACT" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The Next Meeting of the Toronto Ukrainian Genealogy Group - (TUGG) Will be held on Saturday May 10, 2008 Tour of the Toronto Reference Library's Genealogy Resources Located at 789 Yonge St, one block north of Bloor Street. >From 2:00 ? 4:00 pm Contact: Jim Onyschuk (905)-841-6707 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:34:13 +0100 From: Tom <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PBS] Tom in Poland To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Hello Jan Thanks for your suggestions. I think the same like you. Those are dates of previous trips. I case Adam Zakrzewski I found his ship manifest. He arrived first time to USA in Jan 1913. But the big problem is with Wladyslawa Slodkowska. I can't find her. How do you think if this date Feb 1911 treats about her trip to US? And also I can't read this date below Feb 1911. Do you have any idea what the date can be? What do you think about this long number? Does can be passport numbers? Kind regards from Poland Tom [email protected] napisa?(a): > On the ships manifast, you are correct in assuming that if there are dates in the column "whether ever in the US before" they are of previous trips. I found 3 sets of numbers for my grandfather in that location and I have found 2 of the 3 where he had made previous trips. The 1st trip was to Castle Garden but I eventually found him there. I still have one more trip to find but know with time, it will be found. > Good luck, > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:32:52 -0500 From: "Jim Onyschuk" <[email protected]> Subject: [PBS] FW: Next TUGG Meeting To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, "'INFOUKES'" <[email protected]>, "'KONTACT'" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Please disregard the previous TUGG message. I inadvertently sent an old message that I used as a copy basis. This is the correct message The Next Meeting of the Toronto Ukrainian Genealogy Group - (TUGG) Will be held on Tuesday December 9, 2008 Sonia Tkachuk van Heerden will speak on her "Trip to Poland and Ukraine October 2007" & our annual Christmas party >From 7:30 ? 9:30 pm St Vladimir Institute 620 Spadina Avenue, Toronto Contact: (905)-841-6707 _____ From: Jim Onyschuk [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:09 PM To: EPOSHTA2 ([email protected]); [email protected]; [email protected]; INFOUKES ([email protected]); KONTACT ([email protected]); [email protected] Subject: Next TUGG Meeting The Next Meeting of the Toronto Ukrainian Genealogy Group - (TUGG) Will be held on Saturday May 10, 2008 Tour of the Toronto Reference Library's Genealogy Resources Located at 789 Yonge St, one block north of Bloor Street. >From 2:00 ? 4:00 pm Contact: Jim Onyschuk (905)-841-6707 ------------------------------ To contact the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 3, Issue 779 ****************************************************

Has anyone been able to locate their ancestors 1st papers? I was told I would have to contact the town my grandfather was born in unless he was in the military,at which he may have applied to come to the USA thru the military.My grandfathers' manifest states his residence was Schinkell..I can't find that place anywhere.Can anyone shed some light on this please.

Hello Jan Thanks for your suggestions. I think the same like you. Those are dates of previous trips. I case Adam Zakrzewski I found his ship manifest. He arrived first time to USA in Jan 1913. But the big problem is with Wladyslawa Slodkowska. I can't find her. How do you think if this date Feb 1911 treats about her trip to US? And also I can't read this date below Feb 1911. Do you have any idea what the date can be? What do you think about this long number? Does can be passport numbers? Kind regards from Poland Tom [email protected] napisał(a): > On the ships manifast, you are correct in assuming that if there are dates in the column "whether ever in the US before" they are of previous trips. I found 3 sets of numbers for my grandfather in that location and I have found 2 of the 3 where he had made previous trips. The 1st trip was to Castle Garden but I eventually found him there. I still have one more trip to find but know with time, it will be found. > Good luck, > Jan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please disregard the previous TUGG message. I inadvertently sent an old message that I used as a copy basis. This is the correct message The Next Meeting of the Toronto Ukrainian Genealogy Group - (TUGG) Will be held on Tuesday December 9, 2008 Sonia Tkachuk van Heerden will speak on her "Trip to Poland and Ukraine October 2007" & our annual Christmas party >From 7:30 – 9:30 pm St Vladimir Institute 620 Spadina Avenue, Toronto Contact: (905)-841-6707 _____ From: Jim Onyschuk [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:09 PM To: EPOSHTA2 ([email protected]); [email protected]; [email protected]; INFOUKES ([email protected]); KONTACT ([email protected]); [email protected] Subject: Next TUGG Meeting The Next Meeting of the Toronto Ukrainian Genealogy Group - (TUGG) Will be held on Saturday May 10, 2008 Tour of the Toronto Reference Library's Genealogy Resources Located at 789 Yonge St, one block north of Bloor Street. >From 2:00 – 4:00 pm Contact: Jim Onyschuk (905)-841-6707

The Next Meeting of the Toronto Ukrainian Genealogy Group - (TUGG) Will be held on Saturday May 10, 2008 Tour of the Toronto Reference Library's Genealogy Resources Located at 789 Yonge St, one block north of Bloor Street. >From 2:00 – 4:00 pm Contact: Jim Onyschuk (905)-841-6707

Or even Schacher? I found a few trees for the Schacher surname at: http://tribalpages.com/tribe/ancestors?fname=&lname=schacher&dyf=&dyt= With transcription and translation errors, any spelling that sounds the same could be a possible match. But there also are a lot of hits for your exact Shacher surname at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi Maybe researchers of the same surname can tell you a lot more if you contact the ones whose trees seem like your family might be related.

Could the surname have been Shachter? Muriel -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kathryn McKee Sent: November 30, 2008 3:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [PBS] Surname Shacher Thank you Tina and anyone else out there who may have any clues about this surname. Kathy McKee Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:40:02 -0800 From: "Tina Ellis" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PBS] The Surname Shacher To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kathryn, Where did this family live in the US? I would like to view the online records on him. What was his wife's name? Maybe we can find something that can help you. Tina On 11/22/08, Kathryn McKee <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am trying to trace my grandfather Morris Shacher and I have no > information on when he emigrated to the U.S. - sometime in the 1890's > we think. The census data shows him to be from Latvia, but that name > does not appear to be like other Latvian surnames. Family may have > emigrated to Latvia, or the surname was changed when he entered the > United States. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Kathryn D. McKee, SPHR > > President > > Human Resources Consortia > > > > Co-author, Leading People Through Disasters > > > > <http://www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com/> > www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 3, Issue 777 **************************************************** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On the ships manifast, you are correct in assuming that if there are dates in the column "whether ever in the US before" they are of previous trips. I found 3 sets of numbers for my grandfather in that location and I have found 2 of the 3 where he had made previous trips. The 1st trip was to Castle Garden but I eventually found him there. I still have one more trip to find but know with time, it will be found. Good luck, Jan

Thank you Tina and anyone else out there who may have any clues about this surname. Kathy McKee Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:40:02 -0800 From: "Tina Ellis" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PBS] The Surname Shacher To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kathryn, Where did this family live in the US? I would like to view the online records on him. What was his wife's name? Maybe we can find something that can help you. Tina On 11/22/08, Kathryn McKee <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am trying to trace my grandfather Morris Shacher and I have no > information > on when he emigrated to the U.S. - sometime in the 1890's we think. The > census data shows him to be from Latvia, but that name does not appear to > be > like other Latvian surnames. Family may have emigrated to Latvia, or the > surname was changed when he entered the United States. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Kathryn D. McKee, SPHR > > President > > Human Resources Consortia > > > > Co-author, Leading People Through Disasters > > > > <http://www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com/> > www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 3, Issue 777 ****************************************************

I have found two census records for a Morris Shacher in LA. Since the oldest child was born in Illinois, I tried finding them there, but had not luck. Are these the correct people? On 11/29/08, Tina Ellis <[email protected]> wrote: > > Kathryn, > > Where did this family live in the US? I would like to view the online > records on him. What was his wife's name? Maybe we can find something that > can help you. > > Tina > > > On 11/22/08, Kathryn McKee <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am trying to trace my grandfather Morris Shacher and I have no >> information >> on when he emigrated to the U.S. - sometime in the 1890's we think. The >> census data shows him to be from Latvia, but that name does not appear to >> be >> like other Latvian surnames. Family may have emigrated to Latvia, or the >> surname was changed when he entered the United States. >> >> >> >> Any ideas? >> >> >> >> Kathryn D. McKee, SPHR >> >> President >> >> Human Resources Consortia >> >> >> >> Co-author, Leading People Through Disasters >> >> >> >> <http://www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com/> >> www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Kathryn, Where did this family live in the US? I would like to view the online records on him. What was his wife's name? Maybe we can find something that can help you. Tina On 11/22/08, Kathryn McKee <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am trying to trace my grandfather Morris Shacher and I have no > information > on when he emigrated to the U.S. - sometime in the 1890's we think. The > census data shows him to be from Latvia, but that name does not appear to > be > like other Latvian surnames. Family may have emigrated to Latvia, or the > surname was changed when he entered the United States. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Kathryn D. McKee, SPHR > > President > > Human Resources Consortia > > > > Co-author, Leading People Through Disasters > > > > <http://www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com/> > www.leadingpeoplethroughdisasters.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tom, This is a return trip to the US, after having living here. Apparently the only time they arrived here previously was in 1911, so that must be the year they moved to this country. On this manifest, they are not numbers for citizenship verification. Between 1906 and 1926, the US did not make notations regarding citizenship on the ship manifests. I think these numbers were most likely for passport verification. They would have had to have passports if they wished to travel between countries. This website explains numbers you see on the manifests: http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/Manifests/occ/. You can use it for future reference. I have not found the manifests for their entry into the US the first time they arrived. I'll try for a while to run some more searches as I have time. Tina On 11/24/08, Tom <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello. I've found a ship manifest for my relatives. Ship name: Majestic, > sailing from Cherbourg 8 Nov 1922 and arriving to New York 14 Nov 1922, line > 1 and 2, passenger Adam Zakrzewski and his wife Wladyslawa Zakrzewski. They > came back from Poland to USA. Here is a link to this record: > > http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&_80004000=Adam+Zakrzewski&_81004010=1886&_81004200=1922&pcat=40&h=4026919623&recoff=1+2&db=nypl&indiv=1 > > If you can see this record you'll notice that there is a postscript with > number in the line where are Adam's details. This number is: 11-784573-2683 > and for Wladyslawa this number is: 3-3683 which probably means that the > beginning of this number is the same, so full number for Wladyslawa is: > 11-784573-3683. I would like to ask you what those numbers mean? Is it > passport number or ticket number or something else? I see on this page that > there are many pasengers have those numbers in their lines. Does someone can > explain me what it means? > > Adam Zakrzewski (born 1886) arrived to USA in 1913 (I have his manifest) > and Wladyslawa Slodkowska (born 1891) I don't know where she arrived (I > can't find her manifest but I suppose it was between 1910-1914). Then they > married at 26 Aug 1914 in Chicago. Next they visited Poland but I can't find > their ship manifest when they're sailing from USA to Europe (I think it was > between 1920-1921). Does Ancestry has databases of people who came back from > USA to Europe? And for the end they came back from Poland to USA in 1922 > (this manifest which you see). I also can't find their passports. > > On the second page of this ship manifest there is also postscript with a > strange date... Feb-1911 and a bit below something like... 1920 but I'm not > sure this year. Those dates are in the column "Whether ever before in the > US; and if so, when and where" so maybe it means when they were before in > US? > > Does someone can help me and and explain me all those postripts. > I'll very grateful for any help. > Regards from Poland. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

excuse me for butting in here, but does the map go to english? im looking for dubrousky in english .would it be in riga lativa ? thanks carolyn> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:16:04 -0600> Subject: Re: [PBS] Maps of Poland - Same Scale/DifferentHistorical/Political Periods> > Stan> This is another massive map , that shows all of Poland and more of > Europe.> I believe that it was about the 1871 time> > http://www.posselt-landkarten.de/index_ostgebiete.htm> > Karl Roussin> ===================================> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stan Rogalski" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:14 PM> Subject: Re: [PBS] Maps of Poland - Same Scale/DifferentHistorical/Political > Periods> > > >I am looking for maps (and related refs - city/town gazetteers) of Poland> > that have the same scale, and show the different powiats (districts) and> > border positions for different historical and political periods over the> > years. I think that these would be very useful for genealogical research > > in> > finding family locations and church records after the key dates> > (births/marriage/deaths etc) are identified.> >> > Kind regards,> > Stan Rogalski - Huntingdale, Western Australia> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________

Thank you for the suggestion. I have subscribed and will report my query there. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 12:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PBS] Ptocki family members - Lwow 1910 to 1940 Post your inquiry to the Herbarz L message board. Those people are very knowledgable about the noble Potocki family. -----Original Message----- From: Maciej Slugocki <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 7:29 pm Subject: [PBS] Ptocki family members - Lwow 1910 to 1940 Hello, This is just a general posting hoping someone picks it up in the future. Briefly, my father Adam Stanislaw Slugocki lived during the 1920s and 1930s in the Pal~ac Potockiego in Lwow. My mother told me that he had a close friendship with a male Potocki family member. In all probability they were friends because they grew up together. What I would one day like to discover and contact are the descendants of the Potocki family that lived in that palace during those years. I have done some searching on Google but what I find makes little sense to me. Maciej Slugocki Hobart Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 24/11/2008 2:36 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 24/11/2008 2:36 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 24/11/2008 2:36 PM

Hello, This is just a general posting hoping someone picks it up in the future. Briefly, my father Adam Stanislaw Slugocki lived during the 1920s and 1930s in the Pal~ac Potockiego in Lwow. My mother told me that he had a close friendship with a male Potocki family member. In all probability they were friends because they grew up together. What I would one day like to discover and contact are the descendants of the Potocki family that lived in that palace during those years. I have done some searching on Google but what I find makes little sense to me. Maciej Slugocki Hobart Australia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 24/11/2008 2:36 PM

Stan This is another massive map , that shows all of Poland and more of Europe. I believe that it was about the 1871 time http://www.posselt-landkarten.de/index_ostgebiete.htm Karl Roussin =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Rogalski" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [PBS] Maps of Poland - Same Scale/DifferentHistorical/Political Periods >I am looking for maps (and related refs - city/town gazetteers) of Poland > that have the same scale, and show the different powiats (districts) and > border positions for different historical and political periods over the > years. I think that these would be very useful for genealogical research > in > finding family locations and church records after the key dates > (births/marriage/deaths etc) are identified. > > Kind regards, > Stan Rogalski - Huntingdale, Western Australia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message