I have found them in the census, but not on Ancestry.  At the Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston we have all census for the U.S. and I found them there, so I did not look at the census at Ancestry.  But I checked Ancestry for everything else and did not find anything.  That is why I know that my ancestors came here by either private ship or an airplane of the future. LOL    The National Library in Ottawa has the complete set of Germans to American, and since it really does not list everyone, I did not find them there.  We know approximately when the Polish and the German ancestors came over, but have not found anything yet.  If the Germans arrived in Galveston like it is believed they did, then those records are lost.   One neat thing happened last July.  I was looking for my mothers fathers Kmiec line in the Pozen Project Marriage database when I stumbled upon her mother’s Reif line.  August Reif who was German, married a Polish woman named Marianna Kapczyñska and I found their marriage in the parish of Mieœcisko in 1869.   While that was exciting it opened a new can of worms since the date is 7 years after the date we originally had.  Joseph --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Tina Ellis <[email protected]> wrote: From: Tina Ellis <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PBS] PBS] Naturalization Documents @ Ancestry.com To: [email protected] Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 9:50 PM You mean to tell my you have not even found a relative on a census record?

Thanks for your info on Ancestry. I did not locate any either. anyone else carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tina Ellis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: [PBS] Naturalization Documents @ Ancestry.com > Ancestry.com is in the process of adding Naturalization documents to their > website. I received a notifcation this past week stating they have begun > to > add them to their website. I checked for my family members and found > none, > but if they are just beginning, I would not expect them all to be online > until they have added more. > > This is what they said about their project: > They Left Behind Family, Friends, and Familiarity... > > *Would you like to know more about where your ancestors came > from?*Immigration is a pivotal part of our personal heritage, but can > also be one > of the more elusive challenges for the family history detective. Luckily, > naturalization records can not only be a tremendous help in solving > mysteries, they are one of the richest sources of personal, family, and > immigration information available. That's why we're especially excited to > announce we've just launched indexes to nearly 3 million naturalization > records from 1791 all the way through 1992, and that we will soon be > releasing nearly 2 million original naturalization records. > > Good luck to everyone. I found several using the free 7 day feature at > http://www.footnote.com, and they did not have all the ones I need, so > maybe > they will soon appear on this site. > > Tina Eillis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

They may be doing this in conjunction with Footnote.com, which already has many naturalization documents online. Laura On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Tina Ellis <[email protected]>wrote: > Ancestry.com is in the process of adding Naturalization documents to their > website. I received a notifcation this past week stating they have begun > to > add them to their website. I checked for my family members and found none, > but if they are just beginning, I would not expect them all to be online > until they have added more. > > This is what they said about their project: > They Left Behind Family, Friends, and Familiarity... > > *Would you like to know more about where your ancestors came > from?*Immigration is a pivotal part of our personal heritage, but can > also be one > of the more elusive challenges for the family history detective. Luckily, > naturalization records can not only be a tremendous help in solving > mysteries, they are one of the richest sources of personal, family, and > immigration information available. That's why we're especially excited to > announce we've just launched indexes to nearly 3 million naturalization > records from 1791 all the way through 1992, and that we will soon be > releasing nearly 2 million original naturalization records. > > Good luck to everyone. I found several using the free 7 day feature at > http://www.footnote.com, and they did not have all the ones I need, so > maybe > they will soon appear on this site. > > Tina Eillis > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You mean to tell my you have not even found a relative on a census record? On 1/19/09, Joseph C Dorsey <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am one of those individuals who has never found anything on Ancestry in > ten years.Win some, lose some.Joseph > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The film is available online, however, I have a good quality original VHS. The poor quality of the film on utube, or by googling, is obviously poor, at first glance. The "Harvest of Despair" has "Rights Reserved" on the case itself. How can they publicly show the film? It is clearly "Harvest of Despair" and not just a poor copy of the famine in 1932-1933 in Ukraine because of Stalin. I am willing to copy my original to DVD for family history or ancestry work. It is purely educational and not to be distributed freely. It is not showing large blurred pixels but clear. Please contact me privately if you wish a copy. peekaboobrat at yahoo dot com Joan Wielgus

Victor - thanks for the detail. Didn't realize it was only Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. I was looking for Quebec - guess I'll have to wait a little while longer. Ernie [email protected] wrote: > Ernie, this will get you to the 1916 Canadian Census: > _http://www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) > > 1. click on search records > 2. click on Record Search Pilot > 3. on the map, highlight Canada > 4. near the bottom of the page click on 1916 Canadian Census > you are now ready to search for your names. > > Victor > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/19/2009 2:38:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Margaret - > > could you please provide a bit more information about "Select the pilot > search option" - I don't see how to use it. > > Thanks > > Ernie Chorny > > > margaret walker wrote: > >> note: i thought i posted a note yesterday (but haven't notice it come thru >> > the list) about the 1916 Canada census . You can search & veiw images for > FREE @ familysearch.org Select the pilot search option. > >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De > cemailfooterNO62) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I am one of those individuals who has never found anything on Ancestry in ten years.Win some, lose some.Joseph

No luck in the new ancestry database either, for people I KNOW went thru the Northern California courts between 1890 and 1910. What I paged through were just index cards (in California) that were no where near as much info as on the NY cards I've seen at ancestry. Just a name and file number, not even a date or birthdate or age in many cases! >From what I've read, the images are all up, it's the volunteer digital indexing that is not completed. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Ernie, this will get you to the 1916 Canadian Census: _http://www.familysearch.org_ (http://www.familysearch.org) 1. click on search records 2. click on Record Search Pilot 3. on the map, highlight Canada 4. near the bottom of the page click on 1916 Canadian Census you are now ready to search for your names. Victor In a message dated 1/19/2009 2:38:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Margaret - could you please provide a bit more information about "Select the pilot search option" - I don't see how to use it. Thanks Ernie Chorny margaret walker wrote: > note: i thought i posted a note yesterday (but haven't notice it come thru the list) about the 1916 Canada census . You can search & veiw images for FREE @ familysearch.org Select the pilot search option. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

Margaret - could you please provide a bit more information about "Select the pilot search option" - I don't see how to use it. Thanks Ernie Chorny margaret walker wrote: > note: i thought i posted a note yesterday (but haven't notice it come thru the list) about the 1916 Canada census . You can search & veiw images for FREE @ familysearch.org Select the pilot search option. > >

hi margret it only shows certian year for certain provinces and newfound land is not up there for much to pay for the copy> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 11:59:59 -0600> Subject: [PBS] look up help> > > note: i thought i posted a note yesterday (but haven't notice it come thru the list) about the 1916 Canada census . You can search & veiw images for FREE @ familysearch.org Select the pilot search option.> > my problem:> > I am having trouble locating a family. According to a naturalization paper Fred/Teodor/Fedor Slobodian/Slobogian/Slobogean arrived @ Quebed May 3 1903, no ship name recorded. I've tried searching through the pages at collectionscanada.gc.ca but have not noticed his name or a name close to it. Could someone have a look at ancestry.ca or findmypast.com or????? > > "Fred" was born March 1880 in Zalissia Galacia. I think he was married while there & possibly a widower on the trip as he got remarried to a Mary in 1912 in Winnipeg.> > I was able to find Fred & Mary and 2 children Rose b.1908 & Annie b.abt1905 in the 1916 census living at the homestead NE 6 32 9 W1. However no matter how "creative' i've tried to be I have NOT been able to find any of the family in 1911 nor 1906.> > I would appreciate any help/suggestions!> Thank you, > > Margaret > _________________________________________________________________> Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos.> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx

Ancestry.com is in the process of adding Naturalization documents to their website. I received a notifcation this past week stating they have begun to add them to their website. I checked for my family members and found none, but if they are just beginning, I would not expect them all to be online until they have added more. This is what they said about their project: They Left Behind Family, Friends, and Familiarity... *Would you like to know more about where your ancestors came from?*Immigration is a pivotal part of our personal heritage, but can also be one of the more elusive challenges for the family history detective. Luckily, naturalization records can not only be a tremendous help in solving mysteries, they are one of the richest sources of personal, family, and immigration information available. That's why we're especially excited to announce we've just launched indexes to nearly 3 million naturalization records from 1791 all the way through 1992, and that we will soon be releasing nearly 2 million original naturalization records. Good luck to everyone. I found several using the free 7 day feature at http://www.footnote.com, and they did not have all the ones I need, so maybe they will soon appear on this site. Tina Eillis

Here's where you can do a free search of Manitoba vital records for them. Any WPG in the results will mean Winnipeg. Province of Manitoba Searches http://web2.gov.mb.ca/cca/vital/Query.php Won't give you the census, but may give you other records. On 1/19/09, margaret walker <[email protected]> wrote: > > note: i thought i posted a note yesterday (but haven't notice it come thru > the list) about the 1916 Canada census . You can search & veiw images for > FREE @ familysearch.org Select the pilot search option. > > my problem: > > I am having trouble locating a family. According to a naturalization paper > Fred/Teodor/Fedor Slobodian/Slobogian/Slobogean arrived @ Quebed May 3 1903, > ... > > I was able to find Fred & Mary and 2 children Rose b.1908 & Annie b.abt1905 > in the 1916 census living at the homestead NE 6 32 9 W1. However no > matter how "creative' i've tried to be I have NOT been able to find any of > the family in 1911 nor 1906.

note: i thought i posted a note yesterday (but haven't notice it come thru the list) about the 1916 Canada census . You can search & veiw images for FREE @ familysearch.org Select the pilot search option. my problem: I am having trouble locating a family. According to a naturalization paper Fred/Teodor/Fedor Slobodian/Slobogian/Slobogean arrived @ Quebed May 3 1903, no ship name recorded. I've tried searching through the pages at collectionscanada.gc.ca but have not noticed his name or a name close to it. Could someone have a look at ancestry.ca or findmypast.com or????? "Fred" was born March 1880 in Zalissia Galacia. I think he was married while there & possibly a widower on the trip as he got remarried to a Mary in 1912 in Winnipeg. I was able to find Fred & Mary and 2 children Rose b.1908 & Annie b.abt1905 in the 1916 census living at the homestead NE 6 32 9 W1. However no matter how "creative' i've tried to be I have NOT been able to find any of the family in 1911 nor 1906. I would appreciate any help/suggestions! Thank you, Margaret _________________________________________________________________ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx

Hi Margaret This is the closest I could find. Fedor arrived on May 27, 1903. Also below is a list of people who were traveling on the same vessel with the same last name but indexed incorrectly. They are all going to Winnipeg. If you would like to see the manifests let me know and I will email them to you. Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935 Name: Fedor Slobodzian Gender: Male Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Date of Arrival: 27 May 1903 Vessel: Bulgaria Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany Roll: T-497 --------------------- Koynod ? age 38 Justyna age 18 Rosanna? age 23 Tekla age 30 Anna age 42 Josef age 4 1/2 Michal age ? Darlene BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret walker" <[email protected]> To: "Poland Border Surnames posting msgs" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: [PBS] look up help note: i thought i posted a note yesterday (but haven't notice it come thru the list) about the 1916 Canada census . You can search & veiw images for FREE @ familysearch.org Select the pilot search option. my problem: I am having trouble locating a family. According to a naturalization paper Fred/Teodor/Fedor Slobodian/Slobogian/Slobogean arrived @ Quebed May 3 1903, no ship name recorded. I've tried searching through the pages at collectionscanada.gc.ca but have not noticed his name or a name close to it. Could someone have a look at ancestry.ca or findmypast.com or????? "Fred" was born March 1880 in Zalissia Galacia. I think he was married while there & possibly a widower on the trip as he got remarried to a Mary in 1912 in Winnipeg. I was able to find Fred & Mary and 2 children Rose b.1908 & Annie b.abt1905 in the 1916 census living at the homestead NE 6 32 9 W1. However no matter how "creative' i've tried to be I have NOT been able to find any of the family in 1911 nor 1906. I would appreciate any help/suggestions! Thank you, Margaret _________________________________________________________________ Drag n’ drop—Get easy photo sharing with Windows Live™ Photos. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/photos.aspx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do, but I have not been able to find much - but that may be becasue I may not be using it correctly - I find it unclear. Kathy McKee -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 4, Issue 29 When replying to a letter, which is in the digest format, please delete the other letters out of your message. Please, also, change the subject, so the person to whom you are replying understands that your reply is for him/her. Today's Topics: 1. Access to Public Records Pro (Tom) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 13:37:40 +0100 From: Tom <[email protected]> Subject: [PBS] Access to Public Records Pro To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Hello, does someone has an access to the page Public Records Pro (http://www.publicrecordspro.com)? I need help from this page. Does someone can check for me some details from this page? Thanks a lot and greetings from Poland. Tom ------------------------------ To contact the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the POLANDBORDERSURNAMES mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POLANDBORDERSURNAMES Digest, Vol 4, Issue 29 ***************************************************

FREE records for Manitoba, Sask & Alberta 1916 census online @ familysearch.org go to Search Records & select search records PILOT choose region, canada & you're on your way! When doing it the first time it took a very long time for the images to load, but could be just my computer...SURNames are a bit difficult to search due to enumeration errors (not transcription) so don't forget to keep trying if you don't find them I found NOT with any surname help, but by using first name variations & spouse... good luck! _________________________________________________________________ Keep in touch and up to date with friends and family. Make the connection now. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/

Hello, does someone has an access to the page Public Records Pro (http://www.publicrecordspro.com)? I need help from this page. Does someone can check for me some details from this page? Thanks a lot and greetings from Poland. Tom

In the 1920's and 1930's they let them starve. Today the let them freeze: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7819429.stm. On 1/14/09, peekaboobrat <[email protected]> wrote: > > HARVEST OF DESPAIR- film-55 min VHS in English > The forgotten holocaust - a time when Stalin was dumping millions of tons > of wheat on the Western Market, while in the Ukraine, people were dying of > starvation at a rate of 25,000 a day. Up to 10 million perished in this > famine, brought by ruthless decree. > > This film probes the tragic consequences of Ukraine's national struggle for > greater cultural and political autonomy in the 1920s and 30s. Through rare > archival footage the results of Stalin's lethal countermeasures unfold in > harrowing detail. Experience intensely moving eye-witness accounts of > survivors, as well as accounts by noted journalists and officials. > > HARVEST OF DESPAIR explores the reasons why this man-made famine remains so > little known, and exposes the campaigns of concealment. > > In 1932-33, roughly one quarter of the entire population of Ukraine > perished through brutal starvation. This film provides testimony of a lost > generation that has been silenced for too long. It provides an elequent > legacy for future generations. > > In April 1985, this film won First Prize and a gold medal at the Houston > International Film Festival. > The filmmakers wish to express their appreciation to the witnesses for > their courage in recounting these traumatic events in their lives. > > For more info in obtaining copies please write me privately at peekaboobrat > at yahoo dot com > > [As an off this topic, to the group, I was told that 'petitions' and > signing anything online, with your name and address or email address does > not count legally as a document. But the person could be wrong.] > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Do you have a date and time for this broadcast? Joseph S. On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:53 AM, peekaboobrat <[email protected]>wrote: > HARVEST OF DESPAIR- film-55 min VHS in English > The forgotten holocaust - a time when Stalin was dumping millions of tons > of wheat on the Western Market, while in the Ukraine, people were dying of > starvation at a rate of 25,000 a day. Up to 10 million perished in this > famine, brought by ruthless decree. > > This film probes the tragic consequences of Ukraine's national struggle for > greater cultural and political autonomy in the 1920s and 30s. Through rare > archival footage the results of Stalin's lethal countermeasures unfold in > harrowing detail. Experience intensely moving eye-witness accounts of > survivors, as well as accounts by noted journalists and officials. > > HARVEST OF DESPAIR explores the reasons why this man-made famine remains so > little known, and exposes the campaigns of concealment. > > In 1932-33, roughly one quarter of the entire population of Ukraine > perished through brutal starvation. This film provides testimony of a lost > generation that has been silenced for too long. It provides an elequent > legacy for future generations. > > In April 1985, this film won First Prize and a gold medal at the Houston > International Film Festival. > The filmmakers wish to express their appreciation to the witnesses for > their courage in recounting these traumatic events in their lives. > > For more info in obtaining copies please write me privately at peekaboobrat > at yahoo dot com > > [As an off this topic, to the group, I was told that 'petitions' and > signing anything online, with your name and address or email address does > not count legally as a document. But the person could be wrong.] > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >