I never thought I'd reach this point in my family research, but successful research has prompted a difficult situation. Last year, I bit the bullet and had Iwona Dankiniewicz do some research on the KANIA-MIGDAL family lines (and more). She was able to push the family lines back to the mid-1700s and into the village of Lodygowice. Several members of the family in my grandmother's village of Buczkowice provided me with more information than when I initially visited the family in 2001. And some of my own limited research has found some additional potential villagers who are probable members of the family. I'm now dealing with ten generations of family members. Iwona found more church books in the Lodygowice church that go back to the 1600s and has found land records in the Zywiec archives. She will be returning to Lodygowice at the end of the month. To bring her completely up to date, I printed out my family chart and found an unfortunate situation. Even using a 9 pt. font size, the "Relative Chart" format resulted in 65 pages that I need to trim and tape together. When you tape that many pages together, it produces an impressive chart (when viewed several city blocks away), but not only is it pretty lumpy when you get close enough to read it but it's also impossible to have reproduced, even at a professional blueprint-type print shop on a "plotter." And since the post office charges extra for shipping tubes over three feet in width, it makes shipping difficult. I tried folding the chart several times, but couldn't get the remainder of the folder chart to roll up to fit into the shipping tube. Decreasing the font size even further will make the chart difficult to read, and I don't think that would reduce the family chart much more than the current 65 pages. Iwona will be pushing the family records further back, so the new chart will be even larger. I would love to put the family information into a form that I could send to all the key living members of the family as holiday presents at the end of the year, but the Relative Chart format really doesn't look very appealing to anyone but another genealogist used to dealing with work sheets. I was thinking of chopping up the branches of the family and having a photo book printed, but that won't give the same overall view of just how large our "little" family has become. I'm hoping the family presents will encourage others in the family to provide more detailed information about their branches of the family -- and even to dig through their family photo albums to beef-up the information I don't have about their particular branches of the family. Has anyone found a solution to cumbersome family charts that need to be put into a format that could be distributed to families in the U.S. as well as in Poland? -- Alan PS Iwona's research rates have increased -- partially because of the value of the U.S. Dollar and partially because gasoline prices in Poland are now at $8.40 a gallon ($2.30 a liter).

Alan, Been there done that. I printed out one of my great grandmother's lines. IO think the font was 10 or 11. I included side lines and the side lines' spouses, parents etc. This roll is about 25 feet in length but about two feet in width. I'm sure this can all be done at a Kinkos now but when I did it I printed out page after page from my gen. program, cut and taped/pasted the people into place making sure I even had those people who were illegitimate. This meant I had an uneven width so I took sections and photocopied them onto 14" long paper so the almost finished product was the same width all the way along. I taped these now longer pieces together, took them to Kinkos and had it printed off on one long sheet of paper. They had to do this a couple of times to get it right (I paid once). Now some people were impossible to fit in so I made little separate strips and glued them where they belong on the "tree" and then folded them back in over themselves so you could still see the information that's "behind" them but could also unfold the strips to see who else is there. This rolls up nicely and does fit into a tube which fit into my suitcase. I took one to France and one to Poland a couple of years ago. The one in Poland is at the USC and makes nice wallpaper. ;) I don't know if this link will work for you but it shows my "working copy" roll. The loose pieces are the ones to be taped on and folded. http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QL5PSKferkG35RnSNmLQ47fZQFLPrf5Y9QND6kXHiN-jDdIU0WCzhzSrVk-fiQV7ObUNHdunmUD8YH-P9C7hYcnW8lxwvvw/Family%20Tree%20Roll.JPG The oldest ancestors are at the bottom left of the photo. The yellow spots indicate my direct line. Debbie Alan J. Kania wrote: > > To bring her completely up to date, I printed out my family chart and > found an unfortunate situation. Even using a 9 pt. font size, the > "Relative Chart" format resulted in 65 pages that I need to trim and > tape together. When you tape that many pages together, it produces an > impressive chart (when viewed several city blocks away), but not only > is it pretty lumpy when you get close enough to read it but it's also > impossible to have reproduced, even at a professional blueprint-type > print shop on a "plotter." And since the post office charges extra for > shipping tubes over three feet in width, it makes shipping difficult. > I tried folding the chart several times, but couldn't get the > remainder of the folder chart to roll up to fit into the shipping tube. > > Decreasing the font size even further will make the chart difficult to > read, and I don't think that would reduce the family chart much more > than the current 65 pages. > > Iwona will be pushing the family records further back, so the new > chart will be even larger. I would love to put the family information > into a form that I could send to all the key living members of the > family as holiday presents at the end of the year, but the Relative > Chart format really doesn't look very appealing to anyone but another > genealogist used to dealing with work sheets. I was thinking of > chopping up the branches of the family and having a photo book > printed, but that won't give the same overall view of just how large > our "little" family has become. >

Debbie, I couldn't open this link--do you have another way to view your roll? I'd like to see how you displayed all the information. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Making charts for family distribution > Alan, > > Been there done that. I printed out one of my great grandmother's > lines. IO think the font was 10 or 11. I included side lines and the > side lines' spouses, parents etc. This roll is about 25 feet in length > but about two feet in width. > > I'm sure this can all be done at a Kinkos now but when I did it I > printed out page after page from my gen. program, cut and taped/pasted > the people into place making sure I even had those people who were > illegitimate. This meant I had an uneven width so I took sections and > photocopied them onto 14" long paper so the almost finished product > was the same width all the way along. I taped these now longer pieces > together, took them to Kinkos and had it printed off on one long sheet > of paper. They had to do this a couple of times to get it right (I > paid once). Now some people were impossible to fit in so I made little > separate strips and glued them where they belong on the "tree" and > then folded them back in over themselves so you could still see the > information that's "behind" them but could also unfold the strips to > see who else is there. This rolls up nicely and does fit into a tube > which fit into my suitcase. I took one to France and one to Poland a > couple of years ago. The one in Poland is at the USC and makes nice > wallpaper. ;) > > I don't know if this link will work for you but it shows my "working > copy" roll. The loose pieces are the ones to be taped on and folded. > http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QL5PSKferkG35RnSNmLQ47fZQFLPrf5Y9QND6kXHiN-jDdIU0WCzhzSrVk-fiQV7ObUNHdunmUD8YH-P9C7hYcnW8lxwvvw/Family%20Tree%20Roll.JPG > The oldest ancestors are at the bottom left of the photo. The yellow > spots indicate my direct line. > > Debbie > > Alan J. Kania wrote: > > > > To bring her completely up to date, I printed out my family chart and > > found an unfortunate situation. Even using a 9 pt. font size, the > > "Relative Chart" format resulted in 65 pages that I need to trim and > > tape together. When you tape that many pages together, it produces an > > impressive chart (when viewed several city blocks away), but not only > > is it pretty lumpy when you get close enough to read it but it's also > > impossible to have reproduced, even at a professional blueprint-type > > print shop on a "plotter." And since the post office charges extra for > > shipping tubes over three feet in width, it makes shipping difficult. > > I tried folding the chart several times, but couldn't get the > > remainder of the folder chart to roll up to fit into the shipping tube. > > > > Decreasing the font size even further will make the chart difficult to > > read, and I don't think that would reduce the family chart much more > > than the current 65 pages. > > > > Iwona will be pushing the family records further back, so the new > > chart will be even larger. I would love to put the family information > > into a form that I could send to all the key living members of the > > family as holiday presents at the end of the year, but the Relative > > Chart format really doesn't look very appealing to anyone but another > > genealogist used to dealing with work sheets. I was thinking of > > chopping up the branches of the family and having a photo book > > printed, but that won't give the same overall view of just how large > > our "little" family has become. > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1494 - Release Date: 6/10/2008 7:22 AM > >

Karen, I'll put it somewhere else and notify the list. Debbie karen duffy wrote: > Debbie, > I couldn't open this link--do you have another way to view your roll? > I'd like to see how you displayed all the information. > > Karen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:06 AM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Making charts for family distribution > > >> Alan, >> >> Been there done that. I printed out one of my great grandmother's >> lines. IO think the font was 10 or 11. I included side lines and the >> side lines' spouses, parents etc. This roll is about 25 feet in length >> but about two feet in width. >> >> I'm sure this can all be done at a Kinkos now but when I did it I >> printed out page after page from my gen. program, cut and taped/pasted >> the people into place making sure I even had those people who were >> illegitimate. This meant I had an uneven width so I took sections and >> photocopied them onto 14" long paper so the almost finished product >> was the same width all the way along. I taped these now longer pieces >> together, took them to Kinkos and had it printed off on one long sheet >> of paper. They had to do this a couple of times to get it right (I >> paid once). Now some people were impossible to fit in so I made little >> separate strips and glued them where they belong on the "tree" and >> then folded them back in over themselves so you could still see the >> information that's "behind" them but could also unfold the strips to >> see who else is there. This rolls up nicely and does fit into a tube >> which fit into my suitcase. I took one to France and one to Poland a >> couple of years ago. The one in Poland is at the USC and makes nice >> wallpaper. ;) >> >> I don't know if this link will work for you but it shows my "working >> copy" roll. The loose pieces are the ones to be taped on and folded. >> > http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QL5PSKferkG35RnSNmLQ47fZQFLPrf5Y9QND6kXHiN-jDdIU0WCzhzSrVk-fiQV7ObUNHdunmUD8YH-P9C7hYcnW8lxwvvw/Family%20Tree%20Roll.JPG >> The oldest ancestors are at the bottom left of the photo. The yellow >> spots indicate my direct line. >> >> Debbie >> >> Alan J. Kania wrote: >>> To bring her completely up to date, I printed out my family chart and >>> found an unfortunate situation. Even using a 9 pt. font size, the >>> "Relative Chart" format resulted in 65 pages that I need to trim and >>> tape together. When you tape that many pages together, it produces an >>> impressive chart (when viewed several city blocks away), but not only >>> is it pretty lumpy when you get close enough to read it but it's also >>> impossible to have reproduced, even at a professional blueprint-type >>> print shop on a "plotter." And since the post office charges extra for >>> shipping tubes over three feet in width, it makes shipping difficult. >>> I tried folding the chart several times, but couldn't get the >>> remainder of the folder chart to roll up to fit into the shipping tube. >>> >>> Decreasing the font size even further will make the chart difficult to >>> read, and I don't think that would reduce the family chart much more >>> than the current 65 pages. >>> >>> Iwona will be pushing the family records further back, so the new >>> chart will be even larger. I would love to put the family information >>> into a form that I could send to all the key living members of the >>> family as holiday presents at the end of the year, but the Relative >>> Chart format really doesn't look very appealing to anyone but another >>> genealogist used to dealing with work sheets. I was thinking of >>> chopping up the branches of the family and having a photo book >>> printed, but that won't give the same overall view of just how large >>> our "little" family has become. >>

Alan I have the same problem. I would love to give my father a copy of the family tree, but it is just so big now that printing it is not an option.Never mind about taping all the sheets together! If anyone comes up with a solution, could you pass it on to me please? Especially as I've just had more info about my Westphalian family - so far I have ancestors in West Prussia, Zabloty near Lodz, and Westphalia. Oh, and my English family! I'm not too skilled at this genealogy, but even as a bumbling amateur I am amazed at how much can be found. I'm also constantly surpirsed and pleased at how many others are willing to help - unless they have family in the UK, I can't reciprocate, I can only thank them all. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan J. Kania" <ajkania@comcast.net> To: "Poland-Roots-L@rootsweb. Com" <POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: [POLAND] Making charts for family distribution >I never thought I'd reach this point in my family research, but > successful research has prompted a difficult situation. > > Last year, I bit the bullet and had Iwona Dankiniewicz do some > research on the KANIA-MIGDAL family lines (and more). She was able to > push the family lines back to the mid-1700s and into the village of > Lodygowice. Several members of the family in my grandmother's village > of Buczkowice provided me with more information than when I initially > visited the family in 2001. And some of my own limited research has > found some additional potential villagers who are probable members of > the family. I'm now dealing with ten generations of family members. > > Iwona found more church books in the Lodygowice church that go back to > the 1600s and has found land records in the Zywiec archives. She will > be returning to Lodygowice at the end of the month. > > To bring her completely up to date, I printed out my family chart and > found an unfortunate situation. Even using a 9 pt. font size, the > "Relative Chart" format resulted in 65 pages that I need to trim and > tape together. When you tape that many pages together, it produces an > impressive chart (when viewed several city blocks away), but not only > is it pretty lumpy when you get close enough to read it but it's also > impossible to have reproduced, even at a professional blueprint-type > print shop on a "plotter." And since the post office charges extra for > shipping tubes over three feet in width, it makes shipping difficult. > I tried folding the chart several times, but couldn't get the > remainder of the folder chart to roll up to fit into the shipping tube. > > Decreasing the font size even further will make the chart difficult to > read, and I don't think that would reduce the family chart much more > than the current 65 pages. > > Iwona will be pushing the family records further back, so the new > chart will be even larger. I would love to put the family information > into a form that I could send to all the key living members of the > family as holiday presents at the end of the year, but the Relative > Chart format really doesn't look very appealing to anyone but another > genealogist used to dealing with work sheets. I was thinking of > chopping up the branches of the family and having a photo book > printed, but that won't give the same overall view of just how large > our "little" family has become. > > I'm hoping the family presents will encourage others in the family to > provide more detailed information about their branches of the family > -- and even to dig through their family photo albums to beef-up the > information I don't have about their particular branches of the family. > > Has anyone found a solution to cumbersome family charts that need to > be put into a format that could be distributed to families in the U.S. > as well as in Poland? > > -- Alan > > PS Iwona's research rates have increased -- partially because of the > value of the U.S. Dollar and partially because gasoline prices in > Poland are now at $8.40 a gallon ($2.30 a liter). > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >