It's an informal term for someone nosy, originally from Australia and New Zealand. Nothing to do with Poland! Perhaps it's from the old English phrase, to stick your beak in, meaning to be nosy. And usually to stick your beak in was to stick it in where it was not wanted..........into someone else's business! Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Meeks" <susiem@cass.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Church records vs. family historians (revisited) "Stickybeaks" . . . interesting term. I've never heard it! Do you know anything of its origin? Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Church records vs. family historians (revisited) I cannot find the entire Vatican directive on the internet; perhaps someone has found it. This is the original story that appeared in Catholic News Service: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Excerpt: "In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records -- such as baptismal documentation -- to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members." http://catholicism.about.com/b/2008/05/06/baptism-of-the-dead-its-not-for-catholics-anymore.htm Excerpt: "The About.com Guide to Genealogy, Kimberly Powell, has news of a very important directive issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Clergy on April 5, 2008. As the Catholic News Service reported, the Congregation for the Clergy has directed all Catholic dioceses "not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah." The reason is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known as the Mormons, engage in a practice of baptizing the dead. Any Mormon in good standing may stand in as a proxy for a dead relative, engaging in baptism on his or her behalf. Mormons believe that such posthumous baptisms allow those who did not have the opportunity to be exposed to the Mormon gospel while alive to accept or reject that gospel." History of the re-baptism issue: http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html Excerpt: May 8, 2008 Reuters Blogs Catholic-Mormon tension over LDS baptism of the dead (excerpts) Posted by: Tom Heneghan The issue of Mormon proxy baptisms has resurfaced with the news that the Vatican has written to Catholic dioceses around the world telling them not to provide parish records to the Genealogical Society of Utah. As the Catholic News Service reported last week, the letter calls proxy baptism using these records “detrimental” and says the Vatican did not want Catholic parishes “to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. Mormons use genealogical data to find names of people to baptise posthumously, a practice the Roman Catholic Church rejects on theological grounds. This is not just an issue for Catholics, Jews asked similar questions in the 1990s, after finding Holocaust victims on the IGI. After strong Jewish protests, the Church agreed in 1995 to stop proxy baptising them, a step that seemed to indicate some recognition of a problem. However, names of Jews have continued to appear over the years, including that of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal in 2006. According to Helen Radkey, a researcher who specialises on the IGI, “In 2008, the Church is still posthumously baptising Jewish Holocaust victims, against the terms of the agreement it signed with Jewish groups on May 3, 1995.” Mary Speculation is often an obstacle to fact finding Elyssa Kowalinski wrote: > I was thinking about this issue the other day, and it occurred to me that > maybe the Roman Catholic Church sees genealogy researchers as stickybeaks, > that we are looking through our ancestry for gossip and scandal when we > should really be minding our own business... > > Elyssa > > > ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? 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