Hello, (Sorry you do not give your name) Thank you for your interest in my enquiry. Unfortunately you have not told me anything that I do not already know. I did not ask for any information about Maries marriage or anything else about her later life and family. I am fully aware of the information available on such sites as Ancestry and have already been checking the incoming passenger lists myself. I am also able to check records at the National Archives when I am visit the UK. I did state quite clearly that Marie travelled during the war and not before. By stating in or about 1915 I was referring to the end of 1914 or, more likely, 1916. You state that to find a birth record the focus should be narrower than simply Krakow or Warsaw but that is a rather vague statement. What are you actually suggesting? I am assuming by stating this that there is no central register of BMDs in Poland such as exists in UK since 1837. I had rather hoped that I would be directed to this type of repository in Poland. If such a registry does in fact exist then this is what I need to know about and also how to access the information. BTW, a civil marriage is most definately NOT the same as a church marriage in UK. The church marriage refers to a church of any denomination with a vicar/minister/priest conducting the service. A civil marriage is in a registry office or (more recently) other premises licenced to hold weddings and, is performed by a public employee/civil servant, totally unconnected to the church. In the UK you do one thing or the other, not both, but all records are entered into the central BMD registers. Thankyou for trying to help. Regards, Chris

>You state that to find a birth record the focus should be narrower than >simply Krakow or Warsaw but that is a rather vague statement. What are you >actually suggesting? I am assuming by stating this that there is no central  >register of BMDs in Poland such as exists in UK >since 1837. I had rather hoped that >I would be directed to this type of repository in Poland. If such a registry >does in fact exist then this is what I need to know about and also how to >access the information. There is no such registry. You need to identify the exact parish the person was born in to find their birth record. That's where an immigration record is useful, typically it will list the town they were born in. The good news is that Polish BMD records from that time period are often far more detailed than British records. You may learn the names of other family members who were witnesses or godparents, for example. -- --- Chris Smolinski Black Cat Systems http://www.blackcatsystems.com

-------------- Original message from Csgen50@aol.com: -------------- BTW, a civil marriage is most definately NOT the same as a church marriage in UK. The church marriage refers to a church of any denomination with a vicar/minister/priest conducting the service. A civil marriage is in a registry office or (more recently) other premises licenced to hold weddings and, is performed by a public employee/civil servant, totally unconnected to the church. In the UK you do one thing or the other, not both, but all records are entered into the central BMD registers. Chris: Sorry you didn't get any help from my response. And thanks for reminding me about Registrar marriages. In trying to visualize a paper trail for you to follow, I lost sight of that possibility. Good luck in your research. PD