Debbie, You wrote, " In Poland it was and is fairly easy to check whose someone parents were. The baptismal records are right there in the same parish as the marriage. In the U.S. often people didn't/don't marry in the same church as their baptism." That's what puzzles me.  My great-grandmother was Weronika Grzesiak, and her parents were Jozef Grzesiak and Maryanna Krawczynska.  The records from Weronika's home parish are available from the LDS.  I've got Weronika's  1876 baptismal record, her parents' 1865 marriage record, and I was able to trace the family tree back a few  more generations on the Grzesiak line.  However, I was unable to find baptismal records for any of Weronika's  siblings, born abt.  1867, 1874, and 1882 .  Unfortunately, two of those baptisms (1867 and 1882) would fall into the LDS records gap for that parish.   (R ecords go from 1808 -1865 and from 1868-1879.)  But that 1874 baptism should have been in there.  One possible explanation is that, according to her marriage record,  Maryanna was from another village (I'm thinking Cienin Koscielny, but I'm going from memory here).  It did not state specifically that the marriage banns were read in another parish, but the complete absence of any Krawczynskis in the parish records I already searched, suggests that Maryanna's village must have been in a different parish.  I haven't had a chance to check the records for Cienin Koscielny yet, but I wonder if Maryanna and Jozef moved back to her parish at some point after Weronika was born, and that's why I can't find Maryanna's death record, any records at all for the Krawczynski family, and that 1874 birth record.  What do you think? Julie ---- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Greenlee" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, -- 3 Mariannas Julie, You wrote: "I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective." Keep in mind that what happened in the U.S. is not necessarily what happened in Poland. In Poland it was and is fairly easy to check whose someone parents were. The baptismal records are right there in the same parish as the marriage. In the U.S. often people didn't/don't marry in the same church as their baptism. Debbie [email protected] wrote: > > Hi, Karen, >> > I haven't been following this thread, but I did happen to see your message, and it struck me as being similar to a situation in my own family.  Please post to the list (or me, privately) if you are eventually able to obtain documentation for all three of those marriages.  My g-g-grandfather was supposedly married 3 times, according to his children's (US) marriage records -- to Maryanna Krawczynska, Anna Nowacka, and Marya Cebulska.  I have searched through the records from their home parish in Poland (courtesy of the LDS FHC) and have only been able to document the first marriage, to Maryanna Krawczynska.  I have been unable to locate a death record for her, or records for any of the subsequent marriages that should have taken place.   > > > > Grandma has always insisted that "people didn't talk about that stuff back then" and I've uncovered a lot of evidence to support her assertion.  I'm beginning to wonder if there was only one marriage, to Marianna Krawczynska, and my g-grandmother's siblings simply never knew their mother's name.  I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective.  I've seen this before in at least one other old marriage record (from the US), for which the person put down "unknown" for mother's maiden name.  I'd be interested to know if others on the list have had similar experiences.  I haven't given up searching for those other marriage and death records, but since they aren't in the batch of records that they should be in, I'm a little perplexed.   > Julie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Carpenter" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:27:55 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, -- 3 Mariannas > > Hi, Bronwyn, > I think Debbie answered my query. I have the possibility of my gggrandfather > being married twice before Marianna Ulatowska. I am searching to verify > marriage and death records.  All three of the wives' first name was > Marianna: Sierecki, Radeski, and now Ulatowska. > Thanks. > Karen > >> ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at [email protected] ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message