Julie, If I were you I would look at the parish records for Cienin Koscielny which was in the diocese of Wl~oc~lawek to see what's there. It is entirely possible that Marianna Krawczyn~ska and Jo~zef Grzesiak did move back and forth from her home village. (good guess on your part) Also, it is possible that the birth records are at the civil archives in Wl~ocl~awek especially since the time period you're interested in was at a time when records were written in Russian Cyrillic. You should look for civil and church records for both of your g.g.grandparents. BTW there seems to be a "too" long gap between the child born in 1867 and the one born in 1874. I'd say at least two children were probably born within that time. But this also could have been the time when one mother/wife died and Jo~zef Grzesiak found another wife. BTW In which parish did you find the marriage record for Jo~zef Grzesiak and Marianna Krawczyn~ska? Debbie [email protected] wrote: > > Debbie, > > > > You wrote, " In Poland it was and is fairly easy to check whose someone parents were. The baptismal records are right there in the same parish as the marriage. In the U.S. often people didn't/don't marry in the same church as their baptism." > > That's what puzzles me. My great-grandmother was Weronika Grzesiak, and her parents were Jozef Grzesiak and Maryanna Krawczynska. The records from Weronika's home parish are available from the LDS. I've got Weronika's 1876 baptismal record, her parents' 1865 marriage record, and I was able to trace the family tree back a few more generations on the Grzesiak line. However, I was unable to find baptismal records for any of Weronika's siblings, born abt. 1867, 1874, and 1882 . Unfortunately, two of those baptisms (1867 and 1882) would fall into the LDS records gap for that parish. (R ecords go from 1808 -1865 and from 1868-1879.) But that 1874 baptism should have been in there. > > > > One possible explanation is that, according to her marriage record, Maryanna was from another village (I'm thinking Cienin Koscielny, but I'm going from memory here). It did not state specifically that the marriage banns were read in another parish, but the complete absence of any Krawczynskis in the parish records I already searched, suggests that Maryanna's village must have been in a different parish. I haven't had a chance to check the records for Cienin Koscielny yet, but I wonder if Maryanna and Jozef moved back to her parish at some point after Weronika was born, and that's why I can't find Maryanna's death record, any records at all for the Krawczynski family, and that 1874 birth record. What do you think? > > > > Julie > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, February 1, 2011 11:03:36 AM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, -- 3 Mariannas > > Julie, > > You wrote: "I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to > put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as > that may sound from our modern perspective." > > Keep in mind that what happened in the U.S. is not necessarily what > happened in Poland. In Poland it was and is fairly easy to check whose > someone parents were. The baptismal records are right there in the > same parish as the marriage. In the U.S. often people didn't/don't > marry in the same church as their baptism. > > Debbie > > [email protected] wrote: >> Hi, Karen, >> I haven't been following this thread, but I did happen to see your message, and it struck me as being similar to a situation in my own family. Please post to the list (or me, privately) if you are eventually able to obtain documentation for all three of those marriages. My g-g-grandfather was supposedly married 3 times, according to his children's (US) marriage records -- to Maryanna Krawczynska, Anna Nowacka, and Marya Cebulska. I have searched through the records from their home parish in Poland (courtesy of the LDS FHC) and have only been able to document the first marriage, to Maryanna Krawczynska. I have been unable to locate a death record for her, or records for any of the subsequent marriages that should have taken place. >> >> >> >> Grandma has always insisted that "people didn't talk about that stuff back then" and I've uncovered a lot of evidence to support her assertion. I'm beginning to wonder if there was only one marriage, to Marianna Krawczynska, and my g-grandmother's siblings simply never knew their mother's name. I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective. I've seen this before in at least one other old marriage record (from the US), for which the person put down "unknown" for mother's maiden name. I'd be interested to know if others on the list have had similar experiences. I haven't given up searching for those other marriage and death records, but since they aren't in the batch of records that they should be in, I'm a little perplexed. > >> Julie >> >>