FOUND DEBORAH ISLANDER. AND ALSO FOUND THE WHOLE FAMILY IN CA, TX, AND OR. NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK FARTHER. HERE IS INFO I HAVE . ANY WAY I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FAMILYMEMBERS IN POLAND ? ALSO WE ARE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT MY GRAND FATHER STANISLAUS GORNIAK SAID HE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA ? HERE IS THE LINK I FOUND ON ROOTS.COM. _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > 1197560847 _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > 1197475934 WE WERE TOLD STANLEY AND ANNA ARE FROM RUSSIA /POLAND? NOT SURE WHY. ALSO WONDERING ABOUT JEWISH ? I HAVE BEEN RAISED ROMAN CHATHOLIC BY MY MOHTER WHO DIDED AT 40 . STANLEY AND ANNA WERE CAHTOLIC. BUT WE WONDER IF THEY WERE RUSSIAN JEWS AND CAME TO AMERIA AS CATHLOLIC POLES ? OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. OUR STANISLAUS GORNIAK LIVED WITH HIS DAUGHTER AFTER ANNA DIED IN 1938. ANY PAPERS OUR GRANDFATHER HAD MUST HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE HOME. WE JUST ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM. ONE MALE COUSIN , SAID ''HE IS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA.'' ALSO MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS HIS FATHER WAS SURE THAT '' STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA '' I AM SURE GRANDPA STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA NOW THAT MY COUSIN WAS SO POSSITIVE ABOUT IT. BUT MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS THE POLISH/RUSSAN BORDER CHANGED A LOT. OF COARSE THE CHILDREN OF ANNA AND STANLEY ARE LONG GONE NOW. THE LAST DAUGHTER DIED IN 2010 . SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS . MY MOTHER DIED IN 1967 WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I WAS OUT OF THE FAMMILY LOOP FOR YEARS SINCE MY FATHER REMIARRIED QUICKLY . NOW I DO WANT TO KNOW ABOUT MY MOTHERS FAMILY . WE WERE HOPING FOR FIND A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR STANISLAUS GORNIAK APIRL 12,1885 *( SOME SAY MARCH 30,1885 ) father joseph gorniak . ALSO A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR ANNA PETRUS (PEITRUS)JUNE 15,1883 HER MOTHER MEGALENA KRAJOSKI . IS THIS POSSIBLE? STANLEY AND ANNA GORNIAK WERE MARRIED IN FEB 1908 TOKARNIA . A MARRIAGE CERETIFICATE ? MY MOTHER WAS THEIR LAST DAUGHTER BORN IN THE USA. HERE IS THE INFO I GOT FROM A COUSIN......... STORY I WAS TOLD ...... OUR GREAT GRANDFATHER F.PIETRUS*(Ferynand Petrus) ***(ANNA'S FATHER))))) GRANDMOTHER *(ANNA) had TWO HALF SISTERS , JOSEPHINE PETRUS & AGNES___? & 1 BROTHER STANLEY WHOM SHE BELIEVES HAD 2 SONS. ???? not sure only stories to me GRANDFATHER, STANISLAUS GORNIAK HAD 1 HALF BROTHER ___ WOJIC. ???? I WAS TOLD ...... STANLEY GORNIAK WAS VERY SICK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG POCK MARKS ARE ON THE IMMIGATION PAPERS FOR KNOWN MARKS. A MAN TOOK HIM IN & CARED FOR HIM. *(MIGHT HAVE BEEN JEWISH THE MAN ?) MY DAD SAYS GRANDPA SPOKE 3-4 LAUNGAGES . ONE OF THEM BEING RUSSIAN,ONE POLISH.NOT SURE THE OTHER ONES. *STANLEY GORNIAK OUR GRANDPA WAS MY DAD'S FATHER INLAW. ANY RECORD OF A JEWISH FAMILY THAT MY HAVE RAISED MY GRANDFATHER STANLEY ? THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, MARYANN GLAZA HUBEL

Maryann, Do you know when this family came to America? If not have you found census records which might give you a clue? Have you looked at birth, death and marriage records for extended family members in America? Your aim should be to try and find the name of a town or village which they came from; without that you will not be able to start to look for (possibly Polish) records. Yes, the borders changed a lot: http://donhoward.net/genpoland/genpoland/polhistory.htm There is good information on researching Polish ancestors: https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland And some excellent videos: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/education/frameset_education.asp?PAGE=education_research_series_online.asp%3FActiveTab=2 >>> Poland Research View Download Feedback *Introduction to Polish Research* (53 minutes) sponsor: Ceil Wendt Jensen MA, CG <http://mipolonia.net/> Video<http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Community/Independent/Introduction_to_Polish_Research/player.html> Give feedback<https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_06CopwuM4HntRw8&course=Poland%20Research> *Advanced Polish Research* (49 minutes) sponsor: Ceil Wendt Jensen MA, CG <http://mipolonia.net/> Video<http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Community/Independent/Advanced_Polish_Research/player.html> Give feedback<https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_06CopwuM4HntRw8&course=Poland%20Research> *Polish Displaced Persons* (43 minutes) sponsor: Ceil Wendt Jensen MA, CG <http://mipolonia.net/> Video<http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Community/Independent/Polish_Displaced_Persons/player.html> Class outline (pdf)<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/lessons/Polish_Displaced_Persons_handout.pdf> Give feedback<https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_06CopwuM4HntRw8&course=Poland%20Research> Good luck, Bronwyn. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > FOUND DEBORAH ISLANDER. AND ALSO FOUND THE WHOLE FAMILY IN CA, TX, > AND OR. > NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK FARTHER. > HERE IS INFO I HAVE . ANY WAY I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FAMILYMEMBERS > IN POLAND ? ALSO WE ARE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT MY GRAND FATHER > STANISLAUS GORNIAK SAID HE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA ? > HERE IS THE LINK I FOUND ON ROOTS.COM. > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > > 1197560847 > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > > 1197475934 > WE WERE TOLD STANLEY AND ANNA ARE FROM RUSSIA /POLAND? NOT SURE WHY. > ALSO WONDERING ABOUT JEWISH ? > I HAVE BEEN RAISED ROMAN CHATHOLIC BY MY MOHTER WHO DIDED AT 40 . > STANLEY AND ANNA WERE CAHTOLIC. > > BUT WE WONDER IF THEY WERE RUSSIAN JEWS AND CAME TO AMERIA AS > CATHLOLIC POLES ? > > OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL > EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. OUR STANISLAUS GORNIAK LIVED WITH HIS > DAUGHTER AFTER ANNA DIED IN 1938. ANY PAPERS OUR GRANDFATHER HAD MUST > HAVE > BEEN LEFT IN THE HOME. > > WE JUST ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM. > > ONE MALE COUSIN , SAID ''HE IS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA.'' > ALSO MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS HIS FATHER WAS SURE THAT '' STANLEY > WAS BORN IN RUSSIA '' > > I AM SURE GRANDPA STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA NOW THAT MY COUSIN WAS > SO POSSITIVE ABOUT IT. > BUT MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS THE POLISH/RUSSAN BORDER CHANGED A LOT. > > OF COARSE THE CHILDREN OF ANNA AND STANLEY ARE LONG GONE NOW. THE > LAST DAUGHTER DIED IN 2010 . SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS . > > MY MOTHER DIED IN 1967 WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I WAS OUT OF THE > FAMMILY LOOP FOR YEARS SINCE MY FATHER REMIARRIED QUICKLY . NOW I DO > WANT > TO KNOW ABOUT MY MOTHERS FAMILY . > > > WE WERE HOPING FOR FIND A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR STANISLAUS GORNIAK > APIRL 12,1885 *( SOME SAY MARCH 30,1885 ) father joseph gorniak . > ALSO A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR ANNA PETRUS (PEITRUS)JUNE 15,1883 HER > MOTHER MEGALENA KRAJOSKI . IS THIS POSSIBLE? > STANLEY AND ANNA GORNIAK WERE MARRIED IN FEB 1908 TOKARNIA . A > MARRIAGE CERETIFICATE ? > MY MOTHER WAS THEIR LAST DAUGHTER BORN IN THE USA. HERE IS THE INFO I > GOT FROM A COUSIN......... > > > STORY I WAS TOLD ...... > OUR GREAT GRANDFATHER F.PIETRUS*(Ferynand Petrus) ***(ANNA'S > FATHER))))) > GRANDMOTHER *(ANNA) had TWO HALF SISTERS , JOSEPHINE PETRUS & > AGNES___? & 1 BROTHER STANLEY WHOM SHE BELIEVES HAD 2 SONS. ???? not > sure > only stories to me > GRANDFATHER, STANISLAUS GORNIAK HAD 1 HALF BROTHER ___ WOJIC. > ???? > I WAS TOLD ...... > STANLEY GORNIAK WAS VERY SICK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG POCK MARKS ARE ON > THE IMMIGATION PAPERS FOR KNOWN MARKS. > > A MAN TOOK HIM IN & CARED FOR HIM. *(MIGHT HAVE BEEN JEWISH THE MAN > ?) > MY DAD SAYS GRANDPA SPOKE 3-4 LAUNGAGES . ONE OF THEM BEING > RUSSIAN,ONE POLISH.NOT SURE THE OTHER ONES. *STANLEY GORNIAK OUR GRANDPA > WAS MY > DAD'S FATHER INLAW. > ANY RECORD OF A JEWISH FAMILY THAT MY HAVE RAISED MY GRANDFATHER > STANLEY ? > THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, > MARYANN GLAZA HUBEL >

The information provided in the December, 2007, Poland-Roots mailing list indicated that Stanley and Anna Gorniak and children were from Russian occupied Poland; they immigrated to Detroit in 1912, where they lived in Hamtramck. U. S. census records indicate that Polish was the language spoken in the home - an indicator that the family was Polish. As you indicated, their ship manifests indicated they were from Tokarnia, Kielce. The records you seek would be in civil and church records in the Kielce powiat, thought there would be no information about who raised Stanley/Stanislaus since this would be anecdotal, not official. Town names provided by Deborah Islander led to some excellent research by the mailing list members. The town names in those posts to the mailing lists were: Skiby, village Wojewodstwo (province): Swietokrzyskie Powiat (district): Kielce Gmina (township): Checiny Piekoszow, village, seat of the township Wojewodstwo: Swietokrzyskie Powiat: Kielce Gmina: Piekoszow postal code 26-065 Source: Poland-Roots December, 2007; subject lines contain Gorniak and Gurniak http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12 Roman Catholic church records for Checiny and Piekowszow have been filmed by the Latter Day Saints through 1884, which would contain information about Anna's family. Gorniak records would also be in the microfilms. Place search: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Family History Center near you, where you can rent microfilm: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp You may also wish to use google.com to search for Kielce diocese for some additional helpful information. Google translate will help with this page for the Kielce diocese: http://www.kielce.opoka.org.pl/ translate.google.com There are Polish letter writing forms on the internet to aid in your correspondence for entities in Poland. Regards, Mary P.S. You emails may have been sent to the recipients' junk files or were deleted because they were written in all capital letters. On 3/14/2011 2:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > FOUND DEBORAH ISLANDER. AND ALSO FOUND THE WHOLE FAMILY IN CA, TX, > AND OR. > NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK FARTHER. > HERE IS INFO I HAVE . ANY WAY I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FAMILYMEMBERS > IN POLAND ? ALSO WE ARE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT MY GRAND FATHER > STANISLAUS GORNIAK SAID HE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA ? > HERE IS THE LINK I FOUND ON ROOTS.COM. > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/)> _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS)> _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12)> > 1197560847 > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/)> _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS)> _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12)> > 1197475934 > WE WERE TOLD STANLEY AND ANNA ARE FROM RUSSIA /POLAND? NOT SURE WHY. > ALSO WONDERING ABOUT JEWISH ? > I HAVE BEEN RAISED ROMAN CHATHOLIC BY MY MOHTER WHO DIDED AT 40 . > STANLEY AND ANNA WERE CAHTOLIC. > > BUT WE WONDER IF THEY WERE RUSSIAN JEWS AND CAME TO AMERIA AS > CATHLOLIC POLES ? > > OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL > EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. OUR STANISLAUS GORNIAK LIVED WITH HIS > DAUGHTER AFTER ANNA DIED IN 1938. ANY PAPERS OUR GRANDFATHER HAD MUST HAVE > BEEN LEFT IN THE HOME. > > WE JUST ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM. > > ONE MALE COUSIN , SAID ''HE IS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA.'' > ALSO MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS HIS FATHER WAS SURE THAT '' STANLEY > WAS BORN IN RUSSIA '' > > I AM SURE GRANDPA STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA NOW THAT MY COUSIN WAS > SO POSSITIVE ABOUT IT. > BUT MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS THE POLISH/RUSSAN BORDER CHANGED A LOT. > > OF COARSE THE CHILDREN OF ANNA AND STANLEY ARE LONG GONE NOW. THE > LAST DAUGHTER DIED IN 2010 . SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS . > > MY MOTHER DIED IN 1967 WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I WAS OUT OF THE > FAMMILY LOOP FOR YEARS SINCE MY FATHER REMIARRIED QUICKLY . NOW I DO WANT > TO KNOW ABOUT MY MOTHERS FAMILY . > > > WE WERE HOPING FOR FIND A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR STANISLAUS GORNIAK > APIRL 12,1885 *( SOME SAY MARCH 30,1885 ) father joseph gorniak . > ALSO A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR ANNA PETRUS (PEITRUS)JUNE 15,1883 HER > MOTHER MEGALENA KRAJOSKI . IS THIS POSSIBLE? > STANLEY AND ANNA GORNIAK WERE MARRIED IN FEB 1908 TOKARNIA . A > MARRIAGE CERETIFICATE ? > MY MOTHER WAS THEIR LAST DAUGHTER BORN IN THE USA. HERE IS THE INFO I > GOT FROM A COUSIN......... > > > STORY I WAS TOLD ...... > OUR GREAT GRANDFATHER F.PIETRUS*(Ferynand Petrus) ***(ANNA'S > FATHER))))) > GRANDMOTHER *(ANNA) had TWO HALF SISTERS , JOSEPHINE PETRUS& > AGNES___?& 1 BROTHER STANLEY WHOM SHE BELIEVES HAD 2 SONS. ???? not sure > only stories to me > GRANDFATHER, STANISLAUS GORNIAK HAD 1 HALF BROTHER ___ WOJIC. > ???? > I WAS TOLD ...... > STANLEY GORNIAK WAS VERY SICK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG POCK MARKS ARE ON > THE IMMIGATION PAPERS FOR KNOWN MARKS. > > A MAN TOOK HIM IN& CARED FOR HIM. *(MIGHT HAVE BEEN JEWISH THE MAN > ?) > MY DAD SAYS GRANDPA SPOKE 3-4 LAUNGAGES . ONE OF THEM BEING > RUSSIAN,ONE POLISH.NOT SURE THE OTHER ONES. *STANLEY GORNIAK OUR GRANDPA WAS MY > DAD'S FATHER INLAW. > ANY RECORD OF A JEWISH FAMILY THAT MY HAVE RAISED MY GRANDFATHER > STANLEY ? > THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, > MARYANN GLAZA HUBEL >

> I HAVE NO CLUE OF THE GIRLS MARRIED NAMES OR WHERE THEY LIVE. Mary, If the marriages do not appear in any marriage indexes that exist for where the girls grew up and were very likely to have married, then there are other ways to find married names. My favorite and the easiest is to find obituaries for as many known family members as you can. Those very often give women's married names as well as where they live and their husband's names. If you have a library card, you should be able to access either Newsbank or Proquest historical newspaper obituaries through a library database from home for free. If the obituaries appeared in the Detroit Free Press, that may be more of a problem as, the last I checked, very few libraries offer access to it, but you may find something in the other regular library newspaper databases. Also check Legacy.com and even Google or Yahoo or whatever search engine you like. Some obituaries do mention parents, nieces, nephews. It is a lot of work, but it can sometimes pay off with great information. Yes, it can be hard to contact or not hear back from family who might not want to help the researcher, it takes me a long time to recover from those failed connections. But once I recover, and try other family members, it always pays off to have gone through those rejections when I finally find a helpful or greatful family member.