Hi, Bronwyn, I think Debbie answered my query. I have the possibility of my gggrandfather being married twice before Marianna Ulatowska. I am searching to verify marriage and death records. All three of the wives' first name was Marianna: Sierecki, Radeski, and now Ulatowska. Thanks. Karen > 2. Re: POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 27 (Bronwyn Klimach) > > Karen, > I'm not sure you have correctly read Debbie's reply. > It looks to me as if on this document you have Marianna Jarecka, nee > Ulatowska. I don't know if somewhere you have another Marianna! > Bronwyn. > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Karen Carpenter <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Oh, boy! That means three -- all named Marianna! >> >> Thanks, Debbie. >> >> Karen >> >> > Message: 4 >> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:16:52 -0600 >> > From: Debbie Greenlee <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [POLAND] death record >> > To: [email protected] >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > >> > Karen, >> > >> > z domu Ulatowskiej would mean "from the house of" or her maiden name. >> > So while Jarecka is Marianna's married name, Ulatowska is her maiden >> > name. >> > >> > Debbie >> > >> > >> > Karen Carpenter wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a death record for my gggrandfather which lists under "Nomen, >> >> Cognomen, Status, conditio vitae patris" -- Marianna Jareckiej, and >> >> then >> >> what looks like Indoma Ulatowskiej or possibly zdomu. Could it be z >> >> domu >> >> or in house? Then would Ulatowskiej be the name of the home owner? >> >> >> >> I am having a terrible time determining how many wives, if more than >> one, >> >> my gggrandfather had. Records show the first name as Marianna on two >> >> possible wives. Could this Ulatowskiej be a third? >> >> >> >> Help! >> >> Karen *******************

Karen, This means he didn't get in trouble when he called a wife by a previous wife's name. ;) Debbie Karen Carpenter wrote: > Hi, Bronwyn, > I think Debbie answered my query. I have the possibility of my gggrandfather > being married twice before Marianna Ulatowska. I am searching to verify > marriage and death records. All three of the wives' first name was > Marianna: Sierecki, Radeski, and now Ulatowska. > Thanks. > Karen > >> 2. Re: POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 27 (Bronwyn Klimach) > > >> Karen, >> I'm not sure you have correctly read Debbie's reply. >> It looks to me as if on this document you have Marianna Jarecka, nee >> Ulatowska. I don't know if somewhere you have another Marianna! >> Bronwyn. >> >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Karen Carpenter <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Oh, boy! That means three -- all named Marianna! >>> >>> Thanks, Debbie. >>> >>> Karen >

Hi, Karen, I haven't been following this thread, but I did happen to see your message, and it struck me as being similar to a situation in my own family.  Please post to the list (or me, privately) if you are eventually able to obtain documentation for all three of those marriages.  My g-g-grandfather was supposedly married 3 times, according to his children's (US) marriage records -- to Maryanna Krawczynska, Anna Nowacka, and Marya Cebulska.  I have searched through the records from their home parish in Poland (courtesy of the LDS FHC) and have only been able to document the first marriage, to Maryanna Krawczynska.  I have been unable to locate a death record for her, or records for any of the subsequent marriages that should have taken place.  Grandma has always insisted that "people didn't talk about that stuff back then" and I've uncovered a lot of evidence to support her assertion.  I'm beginning to wonder if there was only one marriage, to Marianna Krawczynska, and my g-grandmother's siblings simply never knew their mother's name.  I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective.  I've seen this before in at least one other old marriage record (from the US), for which the person put down "unknown" for mother's maiden name.  I'd be interested to know if others on the list have had similar experiences.  I haven't given up searching for those other marriage and death records, but since they aren't in the batch of records that they should be in, I'm a little perplexed.  Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Carpenter" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:27:55 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, -- 3 Mariannas Hi, Bronwyn, I think Debbie answered my query. I have the possibility of my gggrandfather being married twice before Marianna Ulatowska. I am searching to verify marriage and death records.  All three of the wives' first name was Marianna: Sierecki, Radeski, and now Ulatowska. Thanks. Karen >   2. Re: POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 27 (Bronwyn Klimach) > > Karen, > I'm not sure you have correctly read Debbie's reply. > It looks to me as if on this document you have Marianna Jarecka, nee > Ulatowska.  I don't know if somewhere you have another Marianna! > Bronwyn. > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Karen Carpenter <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Oh, boy! That means three -- all named Marianna! >> >> Thanks, Debbie. >> >> Karen >> >> > Message: 4 >> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:16:52 -0600 >> > From: Debbie Greenlee <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [POLAND] death record >> > To: [email protected] >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> > >> > Karen, >> > >> > z domu Ulatowskiej would mean "from the house of" or her maiden name. >> > So while Jarecka is Marianna's married name, Ulatowska is her maiden >> > name. >> > >> > Debbie >> > >> > >> > Karen Carpenter wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I have a death record for my gggrandfather which lists under "Nomen, >> >> Cognomen, Status, conditio vitae patris" -- Marianna Jareckiej, and >> >> then >> >> what looks like Indoma Ulatowskiej or possibly zdomu. Could it be z >> >> domu >> >> or in house?  Then would Ulatowskiej be the name of the home owner? >> >> >> >> I am having a terrible time determining how many wives, if more than >> one, >> >> my gggrandfather had. Records show the first name as Marianna on two >> >> possible wives. Could this Ulatowskiej be a third? >> >> >> >> Help! >> >> Karen ******************* ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at [email protected] ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

[email protected] wrote: > I'm beginning to wonder if there was only one marriage, > to Marianna Krawczynska, and my g-grandmother's siblings > simply never knew their mother's name. Another possibility is that one or more of the different surnames are those of a stepfather. I've seen US marriage records listing the name of the bride's stepfather instead of her birth father (and also the stepmother instead of birth mother). Just food for thought... -Marie

Julie, You wrote: "I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective." Keep in mind that what happened in the U.S. is not necessarily what happened in Poland. In Poland it was and is fairly easy to check whose someone parents were. The baptismal records are right there in the same parish as the marriage. In the U.S. often people didn't/don't marry in the same church as their baptism. Debbie [email protected] wrote: > > Hi, Karen, >> > I haven't been following this thread, but I did happen to see your message, and it struck me as being similar to a situation in my own family. Please post to the list (or me, privately) if you are eventually able to obtain documentation for all three of those marriages. My g-g-grandfather was supposedly married 3 times, according to his children's (US) marriage records -- to Maryanna Krawczynska, Anna Nowacka, and Marya Cebulska. I have searched through the records from their home parish in Poland (courtesy of the LDS FHC) and have only been able to document the first marriage, to Maryanna Krawczynska. I have been unable to locate a death record for her, or records for any of the subsequent marriages that should have taken place. > > > > Grandma has always insisted that "people didn't talk about that stuff back then" and I've uncovered a lot of evidence to support her assertion. I'm beginning to wonder if there was only one marriage, to Marianna Krawczynska, and my g-grandmother's siblings simply never knew their mother's name. I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective. I've seen this before in at least one other old marriage record (from the US), for which the person put down "unknown" for mother's maiden name. I'd be interested to know if others on the list have had similar experiences. I haven't given up searching for those other marriage and death records, but since they aren't in the batch of records that they should be in, I'm a little perplexed. > > > > Julie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Carpenter" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:27:55 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, -- 3 Mariannas > > Hi, Bronwyn, > I think Debbie answered my query. I have the possibility of my gggrandfather > being married twice before Marianna Ulatowska. I am searching to verify > marriage and death records. All three of the wives' first name was > Marianna: Sierecki, Radeski, and now Ulatowska. > Thanks. > Karen > >> 2. Re: POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 27 (Bronwyn Klimach) > > >> Karen, >> I'm not sure you have correctly read Debbie's reply. >> It looks to me as if on this document you have Marianna Jarecka, nee >> Ulatowska. I don't know if somewhere you have another Marianna! >> Bronwyn. >> >> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Karen Carpenter <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Oh, boy! That means three -- all named Marianna! >>> >>> Thanks, Debbie. >>> >>> Karen >>> >>>> Message: 4 >>>> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:16:52 -0600 >>>> From: Debbie Greenlee <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [POLAND] death record >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Karen, >>>> >>>> z domu Ulatowskiej would mean "from the house of" or her maiden name. >>>> So while Jarecka is Marianna's married name, Ulatowska is her maiden >>>> name. >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> >>>> Karen Carpenter wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I have a death record for my gggrandfather which lists under "Nomen, >>>>> Cognomen, Status, conditio vitae patris" -- Marianna Jareckiej, and >>>>> then >>>>> what looks like Indoma Ulatowskiej or possibly zdomu. Could it be z >>>>> domu >>>>> or in house? Then would Ulatowskiej be the name of the home owner? >>>>> >>>>> I am having a terrible time determining how many wives, if more than >>> one, >>>>> my gggrandfather had. Records show the first name as Marianna on two >>>>> possible wives. Could this Ulatowskiej be a third? >>>>> >>>>> Help! >>>>> Karen > ******************* > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? 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Julie, You wrote: "I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective." Keep in mind that what happened in the U.S. is not necessarily what happened in Poland. In Poland it was and is fairly easy to check whose someone parents were. The baptismal records are right there in the same parish as the marriage. In the U.S. often people didn't/don't marry in the same church as their baptism. Debbie [email protected] wrote: > > Hi, Karen, >> > I haven't been following this thread, but I did happen to see your message, and it struck me as being similar to a situation in my own family. Please post to the list (or me, privately) if you are eventually able to obtain documentation for all three of those marriages. My g-g-grandfather was supposedly married 3 times, according to his children's (US) marriage records -- to Maryanna Krawczynska, Anna Nowacka, and Marya Cebulska. I have searched through the records from their home parish in Poland (courtesy of the LDS FHC) and have only been able to document the first marriage, to Maryanna Krawczynska. I have been unable to locate a death record for her, or records for any of the subsequent marriages that should have taken place. > > > > Grandma has always insisted that "people didn't talk about that stuff back then" and I've uncovered a lot of evidence to support her assertion. I'm beginning to wonder if there was only one marriage, to Marianna Krawczynska, and my g-grandmother's siblings simply never knew their mother's name. I'm thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern perspective. I've seen this before in at least one other old marriage record (from the US), for which the person put down "unknown" for mother's maiden name. I'd be interested to know if others on the list have had similar experiences. I haven't given up searching for those other marriage and death records, but since they aren't in the batch of records that they should be in, I'm a little perplexed. > Julie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Carpenter" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:27:55 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, -- 3 Mariannas > > Hi, Bronwyn, > I think Debbie answered my query. I have the possibility of my gggrandfather > being married twice before Marianna Ulatowska. I am searching to verify > marriage and death records. All three of the wives' first name was > Marianna: Sierecki, Radeski, and now Ulatowska. > Thanks. > Karen > >>

Hello, Maybe one important (I belive) remark. Sometimes when a man married a widow then priest could wrote her last name after her descesed first husband - ussually. Leter her nee name coud be used. E.G. Women - nee Brown... was married to man Smith. Smith - died. In second marriage record of the women could be stated that man King married widow Smith I've saw some birth recors when first one is that the child was son of King and Smith Next childrens .... son or daugher of King and Brown....... I experienced such 2 or 3 cases. Regards Bogdan 2011/2/1 <[email protected]> > > > Hi, Karen, > > > > I haven't been following this thread, but I did happen to see your message, > and it struck me as being similar to a situation in my own family. Please > post to the list (or me, privately) if you are eventually able to obtain > documentation for all three of those marriages. My g-g-grandfather was > supposedly married 3 times, according to his children's (US) marriage > records -- to Maryanna Krawczynska, Anna Nowacka, and Marya Cebulska. I > have searched through the records from their home parish in Poland (courtesy > of the LDS FHC) and have only been able to document the first marriage, to > Maryanna Krawczynska. I have been unable to locate a death record for her, > or records for any of the subsequent marriages that should have taken > place. > > > > Grandma has always insisted that "people didn't talk about that stuff back > then" and I've uncovered a lot of evidence to support her assertion. I'm > beginning to wonder if there was only one marriage, to Marianna Krawczynska, > and my g-grandmother's siblings simply never knew their mother's name. I'm > thinking that they "made one up" when they needed to put something down for > their own marriage records, unbelievable as that may sound from our modern > perspective. I've seen this before in at least one other old marriage > record (from the US), for which the person put down "unknown" for mother's > maiden name. I'd be interested to know if others on the list have had > similar experiences. I haven't given up searching for those other marriage > and death records, but since they aren't in the batch of records that they > should be in, I'm a little perplexed. > > > > Julie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Carpenter" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2011 9:27:55 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, -- 3 Mariannas > > Hi, Bronwyn, > I think Debbie answered my query. I have the possibility of my > gggrandfather > being married twice before Marianna Ulatowska. I am searching to verify > marriage and death records. All three of the wives' first name was > Marianna: Sierecki, Radeski, and now Ulatowska. > Thanks. > Karen > > > 2. Re: POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 27 (Bronwyn Klimach) > > > > > > Karen, > > I'm not sure you have correctly read Debbie's reply. > > It looks to me as if on this document you have Marianna Jarecka, nee > > Ulatowska. I don't know if somewhere you have another Marianna! > > Bronwyn. > > > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:12 AM, Karen Carpenter <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Oh, boy! That means three -- all named Marianna! > >> > >> Thanks, Debbie. > >> > >> Karen > >> > >> > Message: 4 > >> > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 15:16:52 -0600 > >> > From: Debbie Greenlee <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: [POLAND] death record > >> > To: [email protected] > >> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> > > >> > Karen, > >> > > >> > z domu Ulatowskiej would mean "from the house of" or her maiden name. > >> > So while Jarecka is Marianna's married name, Ulatowska is her maiden > >> > name. > >> > > >> > Debbie > >> > > >> > > >> > Karen Carpenter wrote: > >> >> Hi, > >> >> I have a death record for my gggrandfather which lists under "Nomen, > >> >> Cognomen, Status, conditio vitae patris" -- Marianna Jareckiej, and > >> >> then > >> >> what looks like Indoma Ulatowskiej or possibly zdomu. Could it be z > >> >> domu > >> >> or in house? Then would Ulatowskiej be the name of the home owner? > >> >> > >> >> I am having a terrible time determining how many wives, if more than > >> one, > >> >> my gggrandfather had. Records show the first name as Marianna on two > >> >> possible wives. Could this Ulatowskiej be a third? > >> >> > >> >> Help! > >> >> Karen > ******************* > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? 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