Debbie Do you have an August Huebner d. 1901 birth unknown Had a daughter Emelia B. 11-14-1864 came from this same area , in your research ?? would appreciate hearing from you -----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Greenlee Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:35 PM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POLAND] family relocation in 1830s Paul, This is great stuff! Where did you find all of this information? I know it wasn't in English. . . Debbie whose own family were farmers. Paul Rakow wrote: > Hello Debbie, Vera, > > One of my ancestors moved from Ozorkow (a few miles from Zgierz) > to Knyszyn near Bialystok at about the same time, 1831. > > Along with about 20 other clothmakers from the town, he first > tried to get permission to move to the Bialystok area in the 1820s. > I was lucky enough to find some documents about his first attempt > in the Warsaw archives. Here's what he said: > > ====== > > 7 August, 1824, Ozorkow > > Gottlieb Huebner, cloth manufacturer, presented himself in person, > and testified: > > My name is Gottlieb Huebner, my profession is cloth-maker. I was born > in the town Zaniemysl in the province Poznan. The last place I lived > in was the town Pyzdry; I came to live in Ozorkow three years ago. I > have my own house, on a site with 2 morgens of land. I also own the > machines needed to pursue my trade, and some household equipment. > > 1) So you intend to emigrate to Russia? Why? > > Answer to 1) > > I intend to move to Russia, if I am permitted. The reason is simply > that the market in our goods is poor, because of the increasing number > of large factories, such as the Harrer factory in Sieradz. Trade has > declined noticeably, and I believe it is bound to collapse. > > I do not have any other reasons, and I am not suffering from any > injustices. The only thing I need to mention in conclusion is that > the Squire of the Ozorkow estate has already sold the grist and > fulling mills to be used as manufacturies, and is depriving us of > opportunities to use the fulling mill. This lack will soon be, in > fact already is, felt by us. We, the manufacturers of Ozorkow, only > have one fulling mill; a very poor one, at that. > > As for my public liabilities, I have nothing to say. I am only liable > for the town treasury tax, labour duty, and the school fee. I have no > reason to complain about public burdens. > > This is my honest testimony, in witness whereof I sign with my own > hand. I state that no one urged me to move to Russia, and that I am > certain I know of no one who would urge it. > > Gottlieb Huebner > > ============= > > So, as Debbie guessed, its mostly economic reasons. > > One reason for a lot of cloth-makers leaving the Lodz > region and moving to Bialystok was that the Russians had put up the > customs duty to keep cheap cloth from the Polish provinces out > of Russia proper. Bialystok at that time was on the Russian side > of the customs line, so some of the big industrialists from the > Lodz region opened up factories in Bialystok, and many of the > small clothmakers moved too. I'll have to check on the date that > the customs were raised - but I think it was soon after the 1830 > Polish uprising. > > Also, clothmaking in the 1800s was still run on the guild > system. After their apprenticeship a young clothmaker had to > several years travelling around working in different towns to > gain experience and see how things were done elsewhere, so they > would know where the best opportunities were. I think that's why > clothmaker families are so challenging to track, because sons > often settled far away from their birthplace, unlike farm people. > > Paul Rakow > > Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> wrote: >> Vera, >> >> There are no stupid questions. You've heard that before right? It's >> true, however, I don't think anyone here can answer your question >> definitively. >> >> If adult children were married they _might not_ have followed the >> parents to another place. If the adult children were unmarried then >> they probably would have moved with their parents. >> >> People moved long distances to seek a better life and more work. Word >> of more work/lack of certain craftsmen got around; newspapers, word of >> mouth. Most people at this time did not own land so it wasn't a big >> deal to move. A clothmaker's sons would have worked for him or with him. >> >> You don't have to necessarily hire someone (especially in Bia?ystok) >> to look for records. LDS has filmed Lutheran records for this city >> covering 1841-1886. But these records would only help if you think >> your ancestors were baptized and/or married in the Bia?ystok parish. >> http://tinyurl.com/atfl78j > >> Debbie > ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? 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