Hi Paul, Thank you so much for the translation. This is a new mystery to unravel. Bialystok archives found a Carl Hoffmann born about the same year as Friedrich Wilhelm's "father" in the family village who had died in 1871. Friedrich was 9 years old. Pauline Kraetzer and Carl Hoffmann married in 1855. Friedrich's youngest brother was born in 1866. I'll have to look at the records online to see whether she remarried. Friedrich had three sisters and a brother. I wonder if they all had the same father. Vera > Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 14:41:52 +0100 > From: paul.edward.luther.rakow@desy.de > To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com > CC: equalityforall@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [POLAND] reading of document help - PS > > > Hello Vera, > > I've had a look at the marriage record for this couple, 1855, > (Carl Lamprecht genannt Hoffmann, and Pauline Kraetzer). > It suggests another possible explanation for the double surname. > > In the marriage record, Carl Lamprecht/Hoffmann is > simply called Carl Hoffmann, and it says the groom's parents > are the chimneysweep Carl Gottlieb Hoffmann, and his wife > Catharina geb Lamprecht, both still living. > > So, in the 1862 record, when the Pastor writes that Carl's > "real" surname is Lamprecht, and Hoffmann is the name he is known by, > he may be implying that you might have to look at birth records > from before his parents' marriage to find Carl. > > Is that possible, or is it already ruled out? > > Paul Rakow > > On Sat, 24 Nov 2012, Paul Rakow wrote: > > > > > Hello Vera, > > > > I've got a lot of practice with the handwriting in the Bialystok > > church book, because I had ancestors there. In fact, baptism 208 on the > > same page, baptised the same day in the same church as your relative, > > is a relative of mine (Augusta Emma, daughter of Adolph Gr"unke). > > > > ==== > > > > I read: > > > > 210. Friedrich Wilhelm, son of Carl Lamprecht, chimney sweep, known as > > Hoffmann, and of his wife Pauline geb Kraetzer. > > > > [born] Suprasl, the 25 November 1862, 5 in thr morning. > > > > [baptised] Suprasl, in the Protestant prayer-house on the > > 26th December, same year, by Pastor F K"untzel > > > > [godparents] 1. Franz Borowski, cloth-weaver, and > > 2. Frau Henriette Hoeppner > > > > ------- > > > > So, the most interesting fact is that the father, Carl Lamprecht, > > is also known as Carl Hoffmann. [Carl Lamprecht, genannt Hoffmann]. > > > > Is there a Carl Hofmann in your family? He may be the same > > person as Carl Lamprecht. When people have two different names > > it can be confusing - so this baptism might be an important find. > > > > If you look on the web, you will find lots of different reasons > > for men having two surnames, linked with "genannt". You can probably > > ignore most of the explanations - by far the most likely is that > > Carl's father was a Lamprecht, who died while Carl was still young; > > and his mother remarried, and his step-father was a Hoffmann. (Or, > > perhaps the other way around). > > > > Does any of this seem possible, or am I on a wild goose chase? > > > > I think I once looked at a marriage for this couple for you - what > > did it say about the groom? I must have an old e-mail somewhere > > about that. > > > > Paul Rakow > > > > Vera Miller <equalityforall@hotmail.com> > >> > >> Hello all! > >> I am trying to understand a record at > >> http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/lv/menu/lv/2/ig/15/ie/316/book/32842.html. > >> This is a free website but requires registration. The record is for the > >> Evangelical Lutheran book for Bialystok for 1862 on pg. 26 at no. 210. > >> I am trying to determine whether my great-great-great-grandparents were the > >> godparents of this child or the mother died and my > >> great-great-great-grandparents adopted the child. The record does not > >> mention the mother's name when all the birth records mention the mother's > >> name. > >> Friedrich Wilhelm Lamprecht, son of Carl Lamprecht,*********************** > >> Hoffman and wife Pauline born Kraetzer. > >> born in Suprasl on 25 November > >> I would appreciate any help in filling in the blanks. I am struggling to > >> connect my ancestor to the other Lamprechts from the Bialystok area. > >> Thanks in advance! > >> Vera > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >

Hello all, I think I could have another major breakthrough on my Bleschke ancestry. Can anyone please look at pg. 24, record no. 185 Contents»Church books»Evangelic Lutheran»Parishes outside the Latvian territory»BELOSTOKAS»1872-1872 Born, Married, Died on http://www.lvva-raduraksti.lv/en/menu/lv/2/ig/15/ie/316/book/32851.html? I believe I just found Agnes Bleschke's birth record. I was told my great-great-grandmother had a sister Agnes but no one really knows much about her. I had my Bleschke ancestors researched by Bialystok archives in 2009 but this record was missed. I also found another brother of my great-great-grandmother- Hermann Ferdinand Paul Bleschke on this website. He was born in Schwiebus in 1864 but died in Bialystok. This record was also missed by Bialystok archives. Thanks to Debbie Greenlee for helping me indirectly to find these records! I asked her for researcher recommendations for various areas of Poland. One researcher, Iwona Dakiniewicz, worked out great. I am trying to find records that Pauline Kretzer's parents and siblings followed her to Bialystok from Zgierz. Pauline married in Suprasl in 1855 when she was 19 years old. I was looking at records on www.lvva-raduraksti.lv to see whether I could find Pauline's parents and siblings in those records. The website has records up to 1875 and I still haven't found her family there. Maybe Pauline moved to Bialystok with another family to find a husband? Pauline's father was 52 years old when she was married. Maybe he and his 42 year-old-wife with younger children didn't follow their oldest child to Bialystok. Thanks to everyone who has helped me with my search. Vera