I believe the SSDI records have a wider span. I just looked up a name . This person was born in 1891 and died in 1976. It is true that if a death benefit wasn't paid, that person may not be on the list. Irene > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:27:37 -0500 > From: daveg@airmail.net > To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Social security application > > Mick and Heidi, > > SSDI online records only go back to the 1960s. I'm not even sure if > they have the earlier records archived somewhere. > > Debbie > > Mrs. MICK wrote: > > Hi Heidi - > > What year did he pass away? When I was looking for the SS# for some of my relatives that died in the 1950s, I could not find their SS# in the SSDI either. And the SS# was not recorded on the death certificates at that time (at least in my area in central New York State), so that didn't help. But I did eventually find some of them other ways. So if you wouldn't mind to pass along the year, maybe I will have a suggestion from my experience to help you. > > > > mick > > > >> From: Heidi Sisco <quiltartist1@gmail.com> > >> To: POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com > >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:08 PM > >> Subject: [POLAND] Social security application > >> > >> Hi Everyone: > >> I am researching my grandfather, William Kocol who lived his entire life in > >> the Chicago area. I have been able to find all the bmd's relating to him. > >> I have not been able to get his application for social security. He is not > >> listed in the SSDI under any of the first names he used including: Benny, > >> Boleslaus, William or Bill. Does anyone have any idea how to find a back > >> way into these records? I would love to have this document for my Kocol > >> book. > >> > >> Thanks for your help, > >> Heidi Sisco > >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In addition, I can report that my grandfather was listed in the SSDI - he died in 1939; no benefits had been paid. My father died in 1958, also listed in SSDI, no benefits had been paid. Guess I've just been lucky. Regards, Mary --- On Sat, 4/21/12, Irene Landenberger <landen2@msn.com> wrote: > > I believe the SSDI records have a wider span.  I just > looked up a name .  This person was born in 1891 and > died in 1976.  It is true that if a death benefit > wasn't paid, that person may not be on the list.  > Irene > > From: daveg@airmail.net > > > > Mick and Heidi, > > > > SSDI online records only go back to the 1960s. I'm not > even sure if > > they have the earlier records archived somewhere. > > > > Debbie

Irene, The SSDI records are filed by date of death so with the online indexes starting in 1962 (per Sharon) then the SSDI record you found dated 1976 fits into that time frame. Debbie Irene Landenberger wrote: > I believe the SSDI records have a wider span. I just looked up a name. This person was born in 1891 and died in 1976. It is true that if a death benefit wasn't paid, that person may not be on the list. Irene > > Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 18:27:37 -0500 >> From: daveg@airmail.net >> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Social security application >> >> Mick and Heidi, >> >> SSDI online records only go back to the 1960s. I'm not even sure if >> they have the earlier records archived somewhere. >> >> Debbie >>

Whether a name appears in the Social Security Death Index is a function of whether the death was reported to Social Security. There are other reasons besides a death benefit for the death being reported. The deceased or a dependent child may have been receiving disability benefits, in which case the family would also need to report the death to social security. But remember that due to fraud and privacy issues, Social Security also removed all names previously in the SSDI which they had obtained from State Indexes and Health Departments, so many deaths previously listed no longer appear. The only deaths now appearing are the ones that Social Security had privy to from their own records. I also was told by someone at Ancestry.com that they are removing all deaths from the last 10 years from their version of the SSDI, although I do not know if this is true. I also can confirm that the SSDI contains deaths back to 1940 and before. I just did a test search at GenealogyBank. I also am suspicious, though, that the deaths before 1940 may be data entry errors, I believe that there are not supposed to be deaths for before 1940 listed. On 4/21/12, Irene Landenberger <landen2@msn.com> wrote: > > I believe the SSDI records have a wider span. I just looked up a name . > This person was born in 1891 and died in 1976. It is true that if a death > benefit wasn't paid, that person may not be on the list.

According to the Social Security web site, "The Social Security Act was signed by FDR on 8/14/35. Taxes were collected for the first time in January 1937 and the first one-time, lump-sum payments were made that same month. Regular ongoing monthly benefits started in January 1940." Who knew? http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html Debbie the cohens wrote: > Whether a name appears in the Social Security Death Index is a > function of whether the death was reported to Social Security. There > are other reasons besides a death benefit for the death being > reported. The deceased or a dependent child may have been receiving > disability benefits, in which case the family would also need to > report the death to social security. > > But remember that due to fraud and privacy issues, Social Security > also removed all names previously in the SSDI which they had obtained > from State Indexes and Health Departments, so many deaths previously > listed no longer appear. The only deaths now appearing are the ones > that Social Security had privy to from their own records. > > I also was told by someone at Ancestry.com that they are removing all > deaths from the last 10 years from their version of the SSDI, although > I do not know if this is true. > > I also can confirm that the SSDI contains deaths back to 1940 and > before. I just did a test search at GenealogyBank. I also am > suspicious, though, that the deaths before 1940 may be data entry > errors, I believe that there are not supposed to be deaths for before > 1940 listed. > > On 4/21/12, Irene Landenberger <landen2@msn.com> wrote: >> I believe the SSDI records have a wider span. I just looked up a name . >> This person was born in 1891 and died in 1976. It is true that if a death >> benefit wasn't paid, that person may not be on the list. >