You are correct, it was a typo.   Can you please tell me how to respond to someone off list? ________________________________ From: "polishdragon@att.net" <polishdragon@att.net> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Franz Gajtkowski Update/correction Penny: I believe you mis-typed NY for NJ. Egg Harbor and Mullica Hill are in New Jersey. I have sent you the Miller St. source off-list. PolishDragon@att.net --- On Mon, 5/28/12, Penny Ruckle <penny.ruckle@yahoo.com> wrote:   > As for the F. Gajtkowski buying 3188 Miller street in April, > 1892 - this is news to me.  I will definitely try and get > the Purchase papers.  Can you please tell me where you > found this info? >   > OK - My grandparents originally settled in Philadelphia. I > find them living in Egg Harbor, NY.  Franz is listed as a > blacksmith and my grandmother as a domestic.  My aunts and > one of the Victors were born in NJ.  In or about 1918 (I > don't have the papers nearby), my grandmother purchased a > five acre farm in Mulica Hill, NY.  ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marge, I didn't have anything bookmarked like this but I do have a reference book, _Historical Atlas of East Central Europe_ by Paul Robert Magocsi, you'll find at least one canal and railway map showing development between 1850 and 1914 (WWI). The first railroads didn't appear in Europe until the 1840s. There appears to have been a quite few railway lines even before 1881. Debbie Marge Clark wrote: > I hoping someone can help me find a site I visited several years ago. > My pc crashed and I lost all my links. > The site has maps of the development of canals and railroads, I think, > > Dated back in the 1800's. They can be viewed on individual pages > Or there is an automated viewing showing the development over the years. > I would appreciate any assistance. I've run out of ideas to search. > Marge

Penny: I believe you mis-typed NY for NJ. Egg Harbor and Mullica Hill are in New Jersey. I have sent you the Miller St. source off-list. PolishDragon@att.net --- On Mon, 5/28/12, Penny Ruckle <penny.ruckle@yahoo.com> wrote:   > As for the F. Gajtkowski buying 3188 Miller street in April, > 1892 - this is news to me.  I will definitely try and get > the Purchase papers.  Can you please tell me where you > found this info? >   > OK - My grandparents originally settled in Philadelphia. I > find them living in Egg Harbor, NY.  Franz is listed as a > blacksmith and my grandmother as a domestic.  My aunts and > one of the Victors were born in NJ.  In or about 1918 (I > don't have the papers nearby), my grandmother purchased a > five acre farm in Mulica Hill, NY. 

Dear Marie and Group:   In response to your question -- I have the certificates and copies of the entries from the church baptismal record.  All they tell me is that the father and mother were born in "Poland."  Alas, no more definitive information.    The only place I have ever found notations of place of births have been from the parish church my father's family was connected with.  That was in NY, NY and the priest was so precise I say a prayer for him everytime I have to use those documents.    I have one more avenue here and that is for my two aunts.  Records seem to indicate they were born in NJ.  I have tried churches in the area and have had no luck.  I intend to go back and look for other Catholic churches going in the other direction from were they were living or contact the archdiocese and see if there are churches that have been closed.  If that is the case I will try to access the records for those closed churches.   If you or anyone else has any suggestions, please send them to me.  Thank you.   ________________________________ From: MJDallas <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Gajtkowski Penny Ruckle wrote: > As for the info about where Franz and my grandmom were married, I have > all that info, their children's baptismal info... Penny, Do you have baptismal certificates or photocopies of the complete entries as written in the church books?  I ask because certificates are issued to prove the event took place and may not contain *all* of the info recorded in the church register.  (The same is true for marriage records.)  In most church records I've found a birthplace for the child's parents.  Sometimes the priest wrote down just the country or region where they were born and sometimes he wrote the exact village name - which is why it's important to obtain the records for *all* children. -Marie ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Polish Dragon and Group:   Thank you so much for the information and your suggestions.   The Sylvester and Laura Garjtkowski that you mention is the family that I refer to as "the other Sylvester to keep him separated from my Uncle Sylvester.  This poor family had 5 children that died in infancy, and the 4 month old is one of them.    As for the F. Gajtkowski buying 3188 Miller street in April, 1892 - this is news to me.  I will definitely try and get the Purchase papers.  Can you please tell me where you found this info?   OK - My grandparents originally settled in Philadelphia. I find them living in Egg Harbor, NY.  Franz is listed as a blacksmith and my grandmother as a domestic.  My aunts and one of the Victors were born in NJ.  In or about 1918 (I don't have the papers nearby), my grandmother purchased a five acre farm in Mulica Hill, NY.  This is on the outskirts of Egg Harbor.  My grandfather stayed in NJ and farmed.  My grandmother lived with her childred in various rented houses in Philadelphia.  Grandmom worked and those that lived with her were also working.  In 1920 you will find the family listed as living in Philadelphia, but I know for a fact that my grandfather lived on the farm most of the time and my grandparents and the children would go between the two houses.    In the late 1920s my grandmother purchased a 40 arcre farm which is listed as a butter and egg farm.  They also kept their first farm.  I still own that property and have researched it's purchase.  My grandmother must have liked land because she also owned three plots of ladn in Bristol, PA which in those days was farmland.  She is the one whose name is on all of the land my grandparents lived on.  An interesting concept for those days.   As for the three Victors, I also know that there was one born in NJ but died in Philadelphia.  I have the death certificates for all of these children.   As for a timeline -- I have done it for certain periods to try and sort out my Uncle Sylvestre and the othr Sylvester.  To paraphrase Scarlett O'Hara said, "As God is my witness, I will find where Franz Gajtkowski was born.!"   Thank you so muchfor the timeline suggestion. ________________________________ From: "polishdragon@att.net" <polishdragon@att.net> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Franz Gajtkowski Can the Group Help? --- On Fri, 5/25/12, Penny Ruckle <penny.ruckle@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Franz came to the US in 1885.  The ship's manifest states > that he is from Prussia and going to Philadelphia. He > disembarked from the Port of Baltimore and came via land to > Philadelphia.  >   > There was a Sylvester Gajtkowski listed as living in > Philadelphia and I find murky information that suggests they > were related.  >   > The older Sylvester died at 34.  He is buried with > children with Polish names, but none that I can identify.  > This Sylvester had two daughters and one of them married a > Charles Solocki.  Penny: Not much help, but may serve to define your Sylvester line: March 19, 1900 Sylvester, son of Sylvester and Laura Gajtkowski, age 4 mos. died. Funeral from parents residence 3930 Coral St., Burial Holy Redeemer Cem. Also a F. Gajtkowski bought 3188 Miller St., in April 1892. Did you notice that the child,Victor, died in 1907 Phila. was born in New Jersey? What is the Jersey connection? Another Victor child died in 1900. Your situation is such that you may need to start a general Gajtkowski file and begin arranging them in family groups and doing "sideways" genealogy to see if they came from a general area. Sort of doing a jigsaw puzzle with people! May I suggest that when you have so much information to show us, that you do so in a timeline format, i.e. 1895 - Franz Gajtkowski arrives in Baltimore going to Phila. age --- --- - marries --- 1911 - (name) last of children born in --- Get the idea? You can always add info between the lines. PolishDragon@att.net ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wanda Mercier wrote: > wow this is awesome... Folks, Please don't click on the link included in the message from Wanda Mercier (a member of this list). It seems that her email account has been hacked and is sending out spam. Regards, Marie Poland-Roots list administrator

Hi Megan, It is often easiest to order the image through Poznan marriages, at the same time supporting the work that appears on this site. http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/data/help.php#originals Bronwyn. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM, M Scott <skyryder12@gmail.com> wrote: > Great! Thanks Mary! this must be a recent entry because i tried back > in February on this site with no luck. has anyone ever ordered a > digital copy request for a record before for Germany? Should it be > typed in german? > > Megan > > > On May 27, 2012, at 3:50 PM, marysnow wrote: > > > Try the Poznan Project to find the marriage. I typed in Bork and > > Kutsch and found: > > Protestant community in Nowa Wieś Wielka [Gross-Neudorf], entry # 31 > > in 1884 > > Carl Bork (34) > > Henriette Kutsch (23?) > > > > http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/ > > > > When you click on Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf, you will find list > > of microfilm for Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf (Bydgoszcz-Land). > > > > Regards, > > Mary > > > > --- On Sun, 5/27/12, M Scott <skyryder12@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> I'm searching for a marriage certificate of my > >> Great-Great > >> Grandparents, Carl & Henrietta (also i have documents > >> spelling her > >> name Henriette & Henritte) Bork. Henrietta's > >> maiden name was Kutsch > >> and they were married November 24, 1884. On Carl's > >> obituary, it said > >> they were married in Posen (which we all know is very > >> vague). But, I > >> do know what area that they lived in when both my Great > >> Grandma (Erna > >> Bork) and Great Aunt (Elsie or Else Bork) were born. I > >> do have my > >> great grandmother's birth certificate because she gave it to > >> my > >> grandma and on the certificate it said that she as born in > >> Gniewkowitz > >> Kreis Hohensaiza Germany, which is now Poland. The > >> polish spelling is > >> now Gniewkowiec Indowroclaw Bydgoszcz, Poland. When > >> they came to the > >> US they attended a Lutheran church, but I have no idea what > >> kind of > >> church they went to when they lived in Germany. > >> > >> I have all the documentation from them coming over on the > >> ship to the > >> US and everything after that, but i am completely stuck > >> trying to find > >> their marriage certificate, because i have no idea who Carl > >> and > >> Henrietta's parents were. I've tried numerous > >> genealogy search sites > >> and coming up with nothing. Also, if there was a site > >> for searching > >> baptism or birth certificates, that would also be helpful! > >> > >> Any help would be appreciated!!!! > >> > >> Megan Scott > > > > > > ********************************* > > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > > ---------------------------------- > > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > > list: researching our Polish roots. > > ---------------------------------- > > Browse the list's archives here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > > Search the list's archives here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Penny Ruckle wrote: > As for the info about where Franz and my grandmom were married, I have > all that info, their children's baptismal info... Penny, Do you have baptismal certificates or photocopies of the complete entries as written in the church books? I ask because certificates are issued to prove the event took place and may not contain *all* of the info recorded in the church register. (The same is true for marriage records.) In most church records I've found a birthplace for the child's parents. Sometimes the priest wrote down just the country or region where they were born and sometimes he wrote the exact village name - which is why it's important to obtain the records for *all* children. -Marie

great! i just sent the e-mail out hoping see if they can send an image. thank you for this tip! Megan On May 27, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > Hi Megan, > It is often easiest to order the image through Poznan marriages, at > the > same time supporting the work that appears on this site. > http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/data/help.php#originals > Bronwyn. > > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:01 PM, M Scott <skyryder12@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Great! Thanks Mary! this must be a recent entry because i tried >> back >> in February on this site with no luck. has anyone ever ordered a >> digital copy request for a record before for Germany? Should it be >> typed in german? >> >> Megan >> >> >> On May 27, 2012, at 3:50 PM, marysnow wrote: >> >>> Try the Poznan Project to find the marriage. I typed in Bork and >>> Kutsch and found: >>> Protestant community in Nowa Wieś Wielka [Gross-Neudorf], entry # >>> 31 >>> in 1884 >>> Carl Bork (34) >>> Henriette Kutsch (23?) >>> >>> http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/ >>> >>> When you click on Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf, you will find >>> list >>> of microfilm for Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf (Bydgoszcz-Land). >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mary >>> >>> --- On Sun, 5/27/12, M Scott <skyryder12@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm searching for a marriage certificate of my >>>> Great-Great >>>> Grandparents, Carl & Henrietta (also i have documents >>>> spelling her >>>> name Henriette & Henritte) Bork. Henrietta's >>>> maiden name was Kutsch >>>> and they were married November 24, 1884. On Carl's >>>> obituary, it said >>>> they were married in Posen (which we all know is very >>>> vague). But, I >>>> do know what area that they lived in when both my Great >>>> Grandma (Erna >>>> Bork) and Great Aunt (Elsie or Else Bork) were born. I >>>> do have my >>>> great grandmother's birth certificate because she gave it to >>>> my >>>> grandma and on the certificate it said that she as born in >>>> Gniewkowitz >>>> Kreis Hohensaiza Germany, which is now Poland. The >>>> polish spelling is >>>> now Gniewkowiec Indowroclaw Bydgoszcz, Poland. When >>>> they came to the >>>> US they attended a Lutheran church, but I have no idea what >>>> kind of >>>> church they went to when they lived in Germany. >>>> >>>> I have all the documentation from them coming over on the >>>> ship to the >>>> US and everything after that, but i am completely stuck >>>> trying to find >>>> their marriage certificate, because i have no idea who Carl >>>> and >>>> Henrietta's parents were. I've tried numerous >>>> genealogy search sites >>>> and coming up with nothing. Also, if there was a site >>>> for searching >>>> baptism or birth certificates, that would also be helpful! >>>> >>>> Any help would be appreciated!!!! >>>> >>>> Megan Scott >>> >>> >>> ********************************* >>> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ---------------------------------- >>> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the >>> list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this >>> list: researching our Polish roots. >>> ---------------------------------- >>> Browse the list's archives here: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >>> Search the list's archives here: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>> the body of the message >> >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the >> list as >> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >> researching our Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Great! Thanks Mary! this must be a recent entry because i tried back in February on this site with no luck. has anyone ever ordered a digital copy request for a record before for Germany? Should it be typed in german? Megan On May 27, 2012, at 3:50 PM, marysnow wrote: > Try the Poznan Project to find the marriage. I typed in Bork and > Kutsch and found: > Protestant community in Nowa Wieś Wielka [Gross-Neudorf], entry # 31 > in 1884 > Carl Bork (34) > Henriette Kutsch (23?) > > http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/ > > When you click on Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf, you will find list > of microfilm for Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf (Bydgoszcz-Land). > > Regards, > Mary > > --- On Sun, 5/27/12, M Scott <skyryder12@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I'm searching for a marriage certificate of my >> Great-Great >> Grandparents, Carl & Henrietta (also i have documents >> spelling her >> name Henriette & Henritte) Bork. Henrietta's >> maiden name was Kutsch >> and they were married November 24, 1884. On Carl's >> obituary, it said >> they were married in Posen (which we all know is very >> vague). But, I >> do know what area that they lived in when both my Great >> Grandma (Erna >> Bork) and Great Aunt (Elsie or Else Bork) were born. I >> do have my >> great grandmother's birth certificate because she gave it to >> my >> grandma and on the certificate it said that she as born in >> Gniewkowitz >> Kreis Hohensaiza Germany, which is now Poland. The >> polish spelling is >> now Gniewkowiec Indowroclaw Bydgoszcz, Poland. When >> they came to the >> US they attended a Lutheran church, but I have no idea what >> kind of >> church they went to when they lived in Germany. >> >> I have all the documentation from them coming over on the >> ship to the >> US and everything after that, but i am completely stuck >> trying to find >> their marriage certificate, because i have no idea who Carl >> and >> Henrietta's parents were. I've tried numerous >> genealogy search sites >> and coming up with nothing. Also, if there was a site >> for searching >> baptism or birth certificates, that would also be helpful! >> >> Any help would be appreciated!!!! >> >> Megan Scott > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hello everyone, I'm searching for a marriage certificate of my Great-Great Grandparents, Carl & Henrietta (also i have documents spelling her name Henriette & Henritte) Bork. Henrietta's maiden name was Kutsch and they were married November 24, 1884. On Carl's obituary, it said they were married in Posen (which we all know is very vague). But, I do know what area that they lived in when both my Great Grandma (Erna Bork) and Great Aunt (Elsie or Else Bork) were born. I do have my great grandmother's birth certificate because she gave it to my grandma and on the certificate it said that she as born in Gniewkowitz Kreis Hohensaiza Germany, which is now Poland. The polish spelling is now Gniewkowiec Indowroclaw Bydgoszcz, Poland. When they came to the US they attended a Lutheran church, but I have no idea what kind of church they went to when they lived in Germany. I have all the documentation from them coming over on the ship to the US and everything after that, but i am completely stuck trying to find their marriage certificate, because i have no idea who Carl and Henrietta's parents were. I've tried numerous genealogy search sites and coming up with nothing. Also, if there was a site for searching baptism or birth certificates, that would also be helpful! Any help would be appreciated!!!! Megan Scott

--- On Fri, 5/25/12, Penny Ruckle <penny.ruckle@yahoo.com> wrote:   > Franz came to the US in 1885.  The ship's manifest states > that he is from Prussia and going to Philadelphia. He > disembarked from the Port of Baltimore and came via land to > Philadelphia.  >   > There was a Sylvester Gajtkowski listed as living in > Philadelphia and I find murky information that suggests they > were related.  >   > The older Sylvester died at 34.  He is buried with > children with Polish names, but none that I can identify.  > This Sylvester had two daughters and one of them married a > Charles Solocki.  Penny: Not much help, but may serve to define your Sylvester line: March 19, 1900 Sylvester, son of Sylvester and Laura Gajtkowski, age 4 mos. died. Funeral from parents residence 3930 Coral St., Burial Holy Redeemer Cem. Also a F. Gajtkowski bought 3188 Miller St., in April 1892. Did you notice that the child,Victor, died in 1907 Phila. was born in New Jersey? What is the Jersey connection? Another Victor child died in 1900. Your situation is such that you may need to start a general Gajtkowski file and begin arranging them in family groups and doing "sideways" genealogy to see if they came from a general area. Sort of doing a jigsaw puzzle with people! May I suggest that when you have so much information to show us, that you do so in a timeline format, i.e. 1895 - Franz Gajtkowski arrives in Baltimore going to Phila. age --- --- - marries --- 1911 - (name) last of children born in --- Get the idea? You can always add info between the lines. PolishDragon@att.net

Try the Poznan Project to find the marriage. I typed in Bork and Kutsch and found: Protestant community in Nowa Wieś Wielka [Gross-Neudorf], entry # 31 in 1884 Carl Bork (34) Henriette Kutsch (23?) http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/ When you click on Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf, you will find list of microfilm for Nowa Wieś Wielka Gross-Neudorf (Bydgoszcz-Land). Regards, Mary --- On Sun, 5/27/12, M Scott <skyryder12@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm searching for a marriage certificate of my > Great-Great  > Grandparents, Carl & Henrietta (also i have documents > spelling her  > name Henriette & Henritte) Bork.  Henrietta's > maiden name was Kutsch  > and they were married November 24, 1884.  On Carl's > obituary, it said  > they were married in Posen (which we all know is very > vague).  But, I  > do know what area that they lived in when both my Great > Grandma (Erna  > Bork) and Great Aunt (Elsie or Else Bork) were born.  I > do have my  > great grandmother's birth certificate because she gave it to > my  > grandma and on the certificate it said that she as born in > Gniewkowitz  > Kreis Hohensaiza Germany, which is now Poland.  The > polish spelling is  > now Gniewkowiec Indowroclaw Bydgoszcz, Poland.  When > they came to the  > US they attended a Lutheran church, but I have no idea what > kind of  > church they went to when they lived in Germany. > > I have all the documentation from them coming over on the > ship to the  > US and everything after that, but i am completely stuck > trying to find  > their marriage certificate, because i have no idea who Carl > and  > Henrietta's parents were.  I've tried numerous > genealogy search sites  > and coming up with nothing.  Also, if there was a site > for searching  > baptism or birth certificates, that would also be helpful! > > Any help would be appreciated!!!! > > Megan Scott

Dear Ruth and Group.   First, Ruth thank you for the info on Gutouski.  I will check out the town to see if there are any Gajtkowski family in them.  As I said, I have no information on Victoria except she was Franz' mother.   Frank was born May 1861.  He married my grandmother in St Laurentus church in Philadelphia.  They were Roman Catholic.    As for the info about where Franz and my grandmom were married, I have all that info, their children's baptismal info.  I even have all the info about Franz' first wife and child including where they are buried and what family members are buried with them.    I live in Philadelphia where Franz settled so I am familiar with his Philadelphia addresses.  But again, thank you for the information.    As for the 1900 Census, I never even noticed there was someone named Dardecnska living with them.  I will have to follow that through.  I wonder if they were borders, and even if they were they might have been family/friends?  Never heard of the name.    Again, thank you.  ________________________________ From: Ruth Pokorny <ppokorny@new.rr.com> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Gajtkowski Penny, assuming this is your family, Frank Gajtkowski & Marie Rogowska, then they were married in 1891. Have you looked for this marriage record? Also, assuming they lived in the same house from the time of their marriage to the 1900 census, living at 3616 Tulip St, Philadelphia,  have you tried to find a church marriage record for them. Were they Catholic? Jewish?, Protestant? etc. With some researching, you should be able to find out what churches were nearby where they lived. Going to Google map, show some of the streets near 3616 Tulip st. were: E. Pacific St, E. Venango st, Aramingo Ave., Castor Ave., Weikel St., Janney St. P.S. This is how I found out what church my great-grandparents were married in Chicago, which listed their parents names. Hope this helps, Ruth Pokorny ------------------ Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Marriage Index, 1885-1951 Name: Frank Gajtkowski Gender: Male Spouse Surname: Rogowska Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Marriage Year: 1891 Marriage License Number: 40390 Digital GSU Number: 4140427 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Marriage Index, 1885-1951 Name: Marie Rogowska Gender: Female Spouse Surname: Gajtkowski Spouse Gender: Male Marriage Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Marriage Year: 1891 Marriage License Number: 40390 Digital GSU Number: 4141911 --------------- 1900 United States Federal Census, Philadelphia Ward 25, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 3616  Tulip St. Name: Frank Gajtkowski Age: 39 Birth Date: May 1861 Birthplace: Germany Home in 1900: Philadelphia Ward 25, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1886 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Mary Gajtkowski Marriage Year: 1891 Years Married: 9 Father's Birthplace: Germany Mother's Birthplace: Germany Household Members: Name Age Frank Gajtkowski 39 Mary Gajtkowski 29 John Gajtkowski 8 Frank Gajtkowski 6 Sylvester Gajtkowski 4 Marerly Gajtkowski 2 Wizktor Gajtkowski 0/12 Mary Dardecnska Vladyslawa Dardecnska Ledosia Dardecnska ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Penny, Some places you can try if you have not already tried... 1) the index to the Russian Consular Records (located at NARA in Philadelphia) 2) I missed if you said when Franz died, but if it was after 1936 search for his SS-5 application for social security. If someone isn't in the SSDI they will probably still have a number if they died between 1936 and 1965. 3) Try an index search at USCIS for his naturalization. 4) Get all of the church records for the baptism of the children if they're Catholic. It may be a Polish parish, and they may have recorded the parents' birthplaces. 5) try looking for something like a PRCUA record that just might list a birthplace. They are on the PGSA website at PGSA.org. Don't give up...I'm sure there is a clue somewhere leading back to his place of origin. Donna On May 27, 2012, at 3:00 AM, poland-roots-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:00:47 -0700 (PDT) > From: Penny Ruckle <penny.ruckle@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Franz Gajtkowski Can the Group Help? > To: "poland-roots@rootsweb.com" <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1337968847.76339.YahooMailNeo@web113714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > In response to Debbie's suggestion, I offer the following: > ? > Franz came to the US in 1885.? The ship's manifest states that he is from Prussia and going to Philadelphia.?He disembarked from the Port of Baltimore and came via land to Philadelphia.? > ? > There was a Sylvester Gajtkowski listed as living in Philadelphia and I find murky information that suggests they were related.? Murky because they lived near each other and Franz named one of his son's Sylvester.? The older Sylvester was a tanner and I find my grandfather listed as a tanner (only once) in a City Directory.? My grandfather was a blacksmith and farmer.? > ? > The older?Sylvester died at 34.? He is buried with children with Polish names, but none that I can identify.? This Sylvester had two daughters and one of them married a Charles Solocki.? When I obtained their marriage application, it lists that the bride's parents are both deceased.? However, when my Aunt Rose died in 1976,?I found a Mrs. Charles Solocki listed in her address book.? I also found a wedding invitation indicating that Mr. & Mrs. Solocki issued the wedding invitation for the younger sister's wedding.? I have had no luck locating any other Solocki people.? > ?Franz was married prior to being married to my grandmother.??I don't know where he met Juliana -- on the ship -- in Baltimore -- on the road coming to Philadelphia -- in Philadelphia.? I have looked for every record I can find,?baptismal certificates, death certificates (mother and child were dead within six months of each other). Again, all the records show Prussia/Poland. > ? > My grandfather is listed as single on the ship's manifest, so he must have met her in the US.?? Julianna's name lists her maiden name, but it is obliterated and although I have had numerous people look at it (Polish reading people), they cannot identify the spelling.? Anything they have or I have come up with I have run with it right into a brick wall. > ? > ?I have no documentation on Franz from Poland.? My mother, born 1911, was the last of Franz' children and she is the one I obtained my information from.? I asked her all kinds of questions when I was a child because I had no living grandparents.? I never asked anyone of Franz children (my aunts and uncles) about him, because what my mother told me satisfied my ten year old brain.? As I got older I stopped asking my mother questions, again because I was satisfied.? I never thought that I would start doing family roots.?? > ? > My mother told me that she went to Franz' mother's funeral (approximately 1916).? She was five and had vague?memories.? It seems that Franz' mother (Victoria) remarried and her name was Juttawski (sounds like).? Have never been able to find such a person.?? > Franz had three sons that died in infancy, they were all named Victor.? My grandfather seemed to name people after other people.? I never heard any of my aunts, uncles, or my mother for that matter talk about Victoria, nor does my sister who is 8 years older than me.? > ? > ?The US censuses are no help.? They tell the information I already know.? My grandparents did not know each other in Poland.? > ? > I believe my Uncle Sylvester was the keeper of family documentation and when he passed away, I am sure his sister Rose threw away all that material.? I can hear her saying, "we don't need this old stuff." > ? > Therefore, I ask for any information that will answer the questions I originally posted.? Thank you for your help. > > > ________________________________ >

I hoping someone can help me find a site I visited several years ago. My pc crashed and I lost all my links. The site has maps of the development of canals and railroads, I think, Dated back in the 1800's. They can be viewed on individual pages Or there is an automated viewing showing the development over the years. I would appreciate any assistance. I've run out of ideas to search. Marge

Penny, assuming this is your family, Frank Gajtkowski & Marie Rogowska, then they were married in 1891. Have you looked for this marriage record? Also, assuming they lived in the same house from the time of their marriage to the 1900 census, living at 3616 Tulip St, Philadelphia, have you tried to find a church marriage record for them. Were they Catholic? Jewish?, Protestant? etc. With some researching, you should be able to find out what churches were nearby where they lived. Going to Google map, show some of the streets near 3616 Tulip st. were: E. Pacific St, E. Venango st, Aramingo Ave., Castor Ave., Weikel St., Janney St. P.S. This is how I found out what church my great-grandparents were married in Chicago, which listed their parents names. Hope this helps, Ruth Pokorny ------------------ Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Marriage Index, 1885-1951 Name: Frank Gajtkowski Gender: Male Spouse Surname: Rogowska Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Marriage Year: 1891 Marriage License Number: 40390 Digital GSU Number: 4140427 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Marriage Index, 1885-1951 Name: Marie Rogowska Gender: Female Spouse Surname: Gajtkowski Spouse Gender: Male Marriage Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Marriage Year: 1891 Marriage License Number: 40390 Digital GSU Number: 4141911 --------------- 1900 United States Federal Census, Philadelphia Ward 25, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 3616 Tulip St. Name: Frank Gajtkowski Age: 39 Birth Date: May 1861 Birthplace: Germany Home in 1900: Philadelphia Ward 25, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1886 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Mary Gajtkowski Marriage Year: 1891 Years Married: 9 Father's Birthplace: Germany Mother's Birthplace: Germany Household Members: Name Age Frank Gajtkowski 39 Mary Gajtkowski 29 John Gajtkowski 8 Frank Gajtkowski 6 Sylvester Gajtkowski 4 Marerly Gajtkowski 2 Wizktor Gajtkowski 0/12 Mary Dardecnska Vladyslawa Dardecnska Ledosia Dardecnska

Penny, I have some info that may or may not be connected to your Franz Gajtkowski. You did not give any personal info about him. In my family tree I have: Alexander Gutouski, age 17 (born 1888), departed Bremen, Germany, and arrived Apr 1905 Baltimore, Maryland, on the ship Chemnitz. His last residence was Slawisk? Russia. He was Polish. His destination was Fayette, Pa. Friend's name was Uncle Franciszek Gusky, Fayette City, Pa. (ancestry.com has his friend indexed wrong. They indexed his friend as Lawraitis Feliks, who was the next line down.) On the same ship, same date, was Stanisl. Drosdowski (indexed as Hamsil, not Stanisl.). Also from Slawisk? Russia. He was Polish. Friend's name was indexed as Wiktor Andizejewis, Fayette City, Pa. Again, the friend was indexed wrong (next line down). He was going to his cousin Franciszek Gusky, Fayette City, Pa Alexander Gutowski settled in Wisconsin. His WWI draft card states: Alex Gutoski, born Nov. 1, 1888 Buraly? Lomza, Poland; Russia There is a family tree on ancestry.com (not mine) that states the same Alex was: Alexander GUTOWSKI b: 29 Sep 1886 in Gutki, Russia (Poland). This family tree has his son Frank married to the same person I have in my family tree, Dorothy Kurowski, who was a niece to my husband's grandfather. http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3073603&id=I601309660 Hope this helps, Ruth Pokorny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Ruckle" <penny.ruckle@yahoo.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: [POLAND] Can the Group Help? I am still searching for my elusive Grandfather Franz Gajtkowski. I have found everything I can about him here in Philadelphia, PA, USA. He is listed as being from Prussia or Prussia/Poland on every document I find for him in the USA. However, I cannot find him in Poland and I have spent a lot of time and money searching. 1. At this point I am concentrating on areas of Poland that would butt against Russia. Is there a possibility that he lived so close to Russia that the family church was in Russia and not Poland? 2. My mother told me that Franz had a brother Valentine who was conscripted in the Russian Army. How do I go about looking for records or is looking for the town Franz was born in first, the way to go? I know nothing else about Valentine. That was the only time I ever heard about him. I don't know if he survived his time in the Russian army or died while in the army. 3. I also think that my grandfather was living on manorial lands. Reason: My mother said that the male children in Poland who lived on the Pon's (spelling?) land, were taught to read and write and were taught a trade. Franz could read and write Polish and was a blacksmith by trade. I am planning on going to our main library in Philadelphia to meet with a man I have gotten to know well. He works in the Map Department and has helped me many times in locating areas that have changed countries, names, etc. I am going to ask him the same questions and try to find maps for 1861 (the year my grandfather was born, and prior maps. My thoughts are that I may find some town that have now been searched. I also mention that in addition to Polish, my grandfather spoke German and I am assuming that is because he was raised in Prussia and not "Poland." (We all know it was Poland with a fake name!) Any help that anyone can give would be appreciated. I am most anxious to learn how to access manorial records. Thank you. *********************************

In response to Debbie's suggestion, I offer the following:   Franz came to the US in 1885.  The ship's manifest states that he is from Prussia and going to Philadelphia. He disembarked from the Port of Baltimore and came via land to Philadelphia.    There was a Sylvester Gajtkowski listed as living in Philadelphia and I find murky information that suggests they were related.  Murky because they lived near each other and Franz named one of his son's Sylvester.  The older Sylvester was a tanner and I find my grandfather listed as a tanner (only once) in a City Directory.  My grandfather was a blacksmith and farmer.    The older Sylvester died at 34.  He is buried with children with Polish names, but none that I can identify.  This Sylvester had two daughters and one of them married a Charles Solocki.  When I obtained their marriage application, it lists that the bride's parents are both deceased.  However, when my Aunt Rose died in 1976, I found a Mrs. Charles Solocki listed in her address book.  I also found a wedding invitation indicating that Mr. & Mrs. Solocki issued the wedding invitation for the younger sister's wedding.  I have had no luck locating any other Solocki people.   Franz was married prior to being married to my grandmother.  I don't know where he met Juliana -- on the ship -- in Baltimore -- on the road coming to Philadelphia -- in Philadelphia.  I have looked for every record I can find, baptismal certificates, death certificates (mother and child were dead within six months of each other). Again, all the records show Prussia/Poland.   My grandfather is listed as single on the ship's manifest, so he must have met her in the US.   Julianna's name lists her maiden name, but it is obliterated and although I have had numerous people look at it (Polish reading people), they cannot identify the spelling.  Anything they have or I have come up with I have run with it right into a brick wall.    I have no documentation on Franz from Poland.  My mother, born 1911, was the last of Franz' children and she is the one I obtained my information from.  I asked her all kinds of questions when I was a child because I had no living grandparents.  I never asked anyone of Franz children (my aunts and uncles) about him, because what my mother told me satisfied my ten year old brain.  As I got older I stopped asking my mother questions, again because I was satisfied.  I never thought that I would start doing family roots.     My mother told me that she went to Franz' mother's funeral (approximately 1916).  She was five and had vague memories.  It seems that Franz' mother (Victoria) remarried and her name was Juttawski (sounds like).  Have never been able to find such a person.   Franz had three sons that died in infancy, they were all named Victor.  My grandfather seemed to name people after other people.  I never heard any of my aunts, uncles, or my mother for that matter talk about Victoria, nor does my sister who is 8 years older than me.     The US censuses are no help.  They tell the information I already know.  My grandparents did not know each other in Poland.    I believe my Uncle Sylvester was the keeper of family documentation and when he passed away, I am sure his sister Rose threw away all that material.  I can hear her saying, "we don't need this old stuff."   Therefore, I ask for any information that will answer the questions I originally posted.  Thank you for your help. ________________________________ From: Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Franz Gajtkowski was Can the Group Help? Penny, We might be able to help you more if we knew exactly what documents/records you have found regarding Franz Gajtkowski. Please include dates and links (if possible) to online records. Did other relatives of Franz Gajtkowski immigrate to the U.S.? Is your mother the first generation born in the U.S.? Debbie Penny Ruckle wrote: > I am still searching for my elusive Grandfather Franz Gajtkowski.  I have found everything I can about him here in Philadelphia, PA, USA.  He is listed as being from Prussia or Prussia/Poland on every document I find for him in the USA.  However, I cannot find him in Poland and I have spent a lot of time and money searching.  > > 1.    At this point I am concentrating on areas of Poland that would butt against Russia.  Is there a possibility that he lived so close to >        Russia that the family church was in Russia and not Poland? > > 2.    My mother told me that Franz had a brother Valentine who was conscripted in the Russian Army.  How do I go about looking for >        records or is looking for the town Franz was born in first, the way to go?  I know nothing else about Valentine.  That was the only        time I ever heard about him. I don't know if he survived his time in the Russian army or died while in the army. >  > 3.    I also think that my grandfather was living on manorial lands.  Reason:  My mother said that the male children in Poland who lived >        on the Pon's (spelling?) land, were taught to read and write and were taught a trade.  Franz could read and write Polish and was a >        blacksmith by trade. >  > I am planning on going to our main library in Philadelphia to meet with a man I have gotten to know well.  He works in the Map Department and has helped me many times in locating areas that have changed countries, names, etc.  I am going to ask him the same questions and try to find maps for 1861 (the year my grandfather was born, and prior maps.  My thoughts are that I may find some town that have now been searched.  >  > I also mention that in addition to Polish, my grandfather spoke German and I am assuming that is because he was raised in Prussia and not "Poland."  (We all know it was Poland with a fake name!) >  > Any help that anyone can give would be appreciated.  I am most anxious to learn how to access manorial records.  >  > Thank you. > ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Believe me, when I say I have searched every record I can for Franz in the US, I mean it. 

Penny, We might be able to help you more if we knew exactly what documents/records you have found regarding Franz Gajtkowski. Please include dates and links (if possible) to online records. Did other relatives of Franz Gajtkowski immigrate to the U.S.? Is your mother the first generation born in the U.S.? Debbie Penny Ruckle wrote: > I am still searching for my elusive Grandfather Franz Gajtkowski. I have found everything I can about him here in Philadelphia, PA, USA. He is listed as being from Prussia or Prussia/Poland on every document I find for him in the USA. However, I cannot find him in Poland and I have spent a lot of time and money searching. > > 1. At this point I am concentrating on areas of Poland that would butt against Russia. Is there a possibility that he lived so close to > Russia that the family church was in Russia and not Poland? > > 2. My mother told me that Franz had a brother Valentine who was conscripted in the Russian Army. How do I go about looking for > records or is looking for the town Franz was born in first, the way to go? I know nothing else about Valentine. That was the only time I ever heard about him. I don't know if he survived his time in the Russian army or died while in the army. > > 3. I also think that my grandfather was living on manorial lands. Reason: My mother said that the male children in Poland who lived > on the Pon's (spelling?) land, were taught to read and write and were taught a trade. Franz could read and write Polish and was a > blacksmith by trade. > > I am planning on going to our main library in Philadelphia to meet with a man I have gotten to know well. He works in the Map Department and has helped me many times in locating areas that have changed countries, names, etc. I am going to ask him the same questions and try to find maps for 1861 (the year my grandfather was born, and prior maps. My thoughts are that I may find some town that have now been searched. > > I also mention that in addition to Polish, my grandfather spoke German and I am assuming that is because he was raised in Prussia and not "Poland." (We all know it was Poland with a fake name!) > > Any help that anyone can give would be appreciated. I am most anxious to learn how to access manorial records. > > Thank you. >