Thanks Debbie. I tried an assortment of browsers, including Firefox, and kept being told I was not 'Authorised to View' that page :-Z I'm not sure whether my location might leave me 'geographically challenged'! Bron. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> wrote: > Bron, > > I was able to get the home page to appear using Firefox. I clicked on > Departments/Agencies and then Register of Wills and found this message > 1/4 of the way down the page: > "Due to heavy traffic volume, the online records search engine is > experiencing some technical difficulties. Infocon is working on a > solution to resolve these difficulties. If you are unable to access > the online records search, please try again later. > > Note: Pop-ups need to be enabled to access online records. For support > call Infocon at 814-472-6146" > > I also tried Internet Explorer and had to click through from a > "search" page (?). I found the same notice though about heavy volume. > > Debbie > > Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > > Hi, > > I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site > > again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have > > any further information about it? > > Thanks. > > Bronwyn. > > > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: > > > >> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them > >> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ > >> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey > >> > >> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. > >> PolishDragon@att.net > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have any further information about it? Thanks. Bronwyn. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: > Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them > online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ > Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey > > Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. > PolishDragon@att.net

I forgot to mention in my earlier posting that I'm using Apple's Safari browser with no problem. ............Mike On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Debbie Greenlee wrote: > Bron, > > I was able to get the home page to appear using Firefox. I clicked on > Departments/Agencies and then Register of Wills and found this message > 1/4 of the way down the page: > "Due to heavy traffic volume, the online records search engine is > experiencing some technical difficulties. Infocon is working on a > solution to resolve these difficulties. If you are unable to access > the online records search, please try again later. > > Note: Pop-ups need to be enabled to access online records. For support > call Infocon at 814-472-6146" > > I also tried Internet Explorer and had to click through from a > "search" page (?). I found the same notice though about heavy volume. > > Debbie > > Bronwyn Klimach wrote: >> Hi, >> I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this >> site >> again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does >> anyone have >> any further information about it? >> Thanks. >> Bronwyn. >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: >> >>> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get >>> them >>> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ >>> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey >>> >>> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. >>> PolishDragon@att.net >>

I am able to get into this site on my Mac, which has a pre-Intel processor and is still using MacOS 10.5.8, which is now pretty old. I didn't try actually searching for a marriage record, but when I when to one page of the site (the 'marriage license' link), I found this wording: Records Search for Register of Wills, Orphans' Court and Marriage License Bureau Due to heavy traffic volume, the online records search engine is experiencing some technical difficulties. Infocon is working on a solution to resolve these difficulties. If you are unable to access the online records search, please try again later. Note: Pop-ups need to be enabled to access online records. For support call Infocon at 814-472-6146 If you have any questions or suggestions, please do not hesitate to call or email us atmarriagelicense@lackawannacounty.org. Please notice that all Marriage License forms (with the exception of an Application for Marriage) are now available on line for you convenience. This website is intended to benefit the public. However, when I clicked on the "Records Search for ... Marriage license" link I was able to enter the database. Perhaps the high useage volume is the source of the problems being described? ................Mike On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:25 AM, Penix B Howard wrote: > Hello -- I was able to get into the site. May need to update the IE > version you are using; if using Apple OS, upgrade to Lion may be > required. Bill > On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > >> Hi, >> I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this >> site >> again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does >> anyone have >> any further information about it? >> Thanks. >> Bronwyn. >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: >> >>> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get >>> them >>> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ >>> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey >>> >>> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. >>> PolishDragon@att.net

I did get into the site but it was a little slow coming up.   I quickly looked at some of the marriage records. The information I saw didn't help me with my search but someone else may find what they need.   LeAnn C Cook   “Six essential qualities that are the key to success: Sincerity, personal integrity, humility, courtesy, wisdom, charity.” ~ Dr. William Claire Menninger --- On Wed, 6/13/12, Bronwyn Klimach <bronklimach@gmail.com> wrote: From: Bronwyn Klimach <bronklimach@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Lackawanna Online To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, June 13, 2012, 9:10 AM Hi, I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site again.  Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have any further information about it? Thanks. Bronwyn. On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: > Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them > online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ > Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey > > Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. > PolishDragon@att.net ********************************* Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bron, Since it would be an overseas phone call for you here's the email address: atmarriagelicense@lackawannacounty.org Debbie Penix B Howard wrote: > Hi Bron -- after reading your latest posts I am wondering if calling the site would be of some help. That you are getting the not authorized user comment is a bit unusual. Maybe they can do some remote support to see if the settings in your browser/computer is actually prohibiting the access. Just an idea. Bill > > On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > >> Thanks Bill! >> Sounds like you did not get the same message as Debbie reported? >> Bron. >> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Penix B Howard <bhpen05@machlink.com>wrote: >> >>> Hello -- I was able to get into the site. May need to update the IE >>> version you are using; if using Apple OS, upgrade to Lion may be required. >>> Bill >>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site >>>> again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have >>>> any further information about it? >>>> Thanks. >>>> Bronwyn. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them >>>>> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ >>>>> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey >>>>> >>>>> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. >>>>> PolishDragon@att.net >

Hi Bron -- after reading your latest posts I am wondering if calling the site would be of some help. That you are getting the not authorized user comment is a bit unusual. Maybe they can do some remote support to see if the settings in your browser/computer is actually prohibiting the access. Just an idea. Bill On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > Thanks Bill! > Sounds like you did not get the same message as Debbie reported? > Bron. > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Penix B Howard <bhpen05@machlink.com>wrote: > >> Hello -- I was able to get into the site. May need to update the IE >> version you are using; if using Apple OS, upgrade to Lion may be required. >> Bill >> On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site >>> again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have >>> any further information about it? >>> Thanks. >>> Bronwyn. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them >>>> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ >>>> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey >>>> >>>> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. >>>> PolishDragon@att.net >>> ********************************* >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bron (and all) -- I did get the red-flagged warnings but went further into the page to find the links that worked. Bill On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:45 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > Thanks Bill! > Sounds like you did not get the same message as Debbie reported? > Bron. > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Penix B Howard <bhpen05@machlink.com>wrote: > >> Hello -- I was able to get into the site. May need to update the IE >> version you are using; if using Apple OS, upgrade to Lion may be required. >> Bill >> On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site >>> again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have >>> any further information about it? >>> Thanks. >>> Bronwyn. >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them >>>> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ >>>> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey >>>> >>>> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. >>>> PolishDragon@att.net >>> ********************************* >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bron, I was able to get the home page to appear using Firefox. I clicked on Departments/Agencies and then Register of Wills and found this message 1/4 of the way down the page: "Due to heavy traffic volume, the online records search engine is experiencing some technical difficulties. Infocon is working on a solution to resolve these difficulties. If you are unable to access the online records search, please try again later. Note: Pop-ups need to be enabled to access online records. For support call Infocon at 814-472-6146" I also tried Internet Explorer and had to click through from a "search" page (?). I found the same notice though about heavy volume. Debbie Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > Hi, > I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site > again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have > any further information about it? > Thanks. > Bronwyn. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: > >> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them >> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ >> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey >> >> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. >> PolishDragon@att.net >

Hello -- I was able to get into the site. May need to update the IE version you are using; if using Apple OS, upgrade to Lion may be required. Bill On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Bronwyn Klimach wrote: > Hi, > I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting this site > again. Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, or does anyone have > any further information about it? > Thanks. > Bronwyn. > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:51 PM, <polishdragon@att.net> wrote: > >> Listers searching Lackawanna, PA marriages from 1885 now can get them >> online. http://www.lackawannacounty.org/ >> Need Internet Explorer and not Firefox/Seamonkey >> >> Not my area, so didn't read the fineprint, since I don't use IE. >> PolishDragon@att.net > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

--- On Wed, 6/13/12, Bronwyn Klimach <bronklimach@gmail.com> wrote: > I have been very patient, but it seemed time to try visiting > this site> again.  Still no joy for me - can anyone get into it, Bron: Worked for me using IE. Double click on the black descriptive search line ABOVE the red "online database overloaded spiel". Goes to Lackawanna promo page then "enter" then pick your database. Note that the buttons on the left are how you move around the results. Good hunting. (Now everyone will be using it and it will get overloaded again. :) ) PolishDragon@att.net

This is sounding suspiciously like there is some error in the way they wrote their html or javascript, meaning that messages are accidentally getting displayed that should not be. I have that happen all the time at Ancestry.com, since my browser is out of date, rather than there being a problem with the way the page is written. But I would guess the same thing can happen if there are technical difficulties at the website itself. Error messages get triggered and displayed which should not be, and can really confound the visitor. Yes, writing them is a good idea.

I want to thank you all for your help, I finally was able to speak to a surviving relative who know a bit a bout her parents the other day. Ruth, Your hunches were right about florian being a brother he apparently owned a farm with his wife (a relative rembers going there to get cheese and some food they took care of them while stanislaw went on a seven year journey as a possible Hobo on the train lines. Flurry or florian had also children Blanch/tony/Helen/Sophie. My Wife's aunt couldn't remember if there was more she also provided Information about a sister Victoria was also here, but I have not been able to figure any other information out about here. Mary Stanislaws wife, i got more information about Mary her last name on her marriage license was written Boruk/but my wife's grandmother thougth it was pronounced boruch or borrah she lived near Kracow, Her mother ( Mary Gotacholz) and father John Boruk moved from Austria to live in that region. she also had a sister who lived here her name was Alicia and her married name was Chesik (thats what she remembers (she was young), the older sister came over first, lived in millers falls, Massachusetts, then moved to New Haven with her husband mary and Stanislaw moved down also, where they had the second to last child Stephie, when her sister Mary's husband stanislaw decided to leave for seven years, they moved back to millers fall and bought the house that her sister Alicia and her husband had. Her Brother and Law Flurry/florian helped her and the family. I guess what I am asking is, this, because I looked the best I could on the Ellis Island site and also the LDS site. 1. Can anyone find anything on Alicia here in the US2. anything about the Boruks from here or there 3. Anything about Gotacholz. 4. when you do your searches , are you able to look at naturaliztion paperwork? Thank you all, please excuse my spelling, my "internal spell check is not on today". sean > Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:24:42 -0600 > From: daveg@airmail.net > To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with information on Stanislaw Rydel > > Ruth, > > From what you've written I'd say the city is Ostrol~e~ka with > diacriticals through the "L" and under the "E". > > Debbie > > Ruth wrote: > > I don't want to get too lenghty in this e-mail, so I will make it simple. > > > > I believe Flurry Ridal was Stanislaw/Stanley's brother Florian Rydel, and > > that this Steve Ridal was aka Stanley Rydel. Steve lists a place of birth on > > his Draft card. Anybody care to try to decipher it as something different > > than I have here? Ostrolewka? Lomza, Poland. > > > > Ruth > > ------------- > > World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 > > > > Name: Flurry Ridal > > City: Amherst (where he signed up) > > County: Hampshire (where he signed up) > > State: Massachusetts (where he signed up) > > Residence: Prospect, Millers Falls, Franklin, Mass > > Birth Date: 4 May 1886 > > Race: White > > FHL Roll Number: 1684522 > > DraftBoard: 8 > > Age: 32 > > Place of Birth??: Russia (Poland) > > Occupation: Laborer > > Employers Name: Millers Falls P?????Company, Millers Falls, Franklin, Mass. > > Nearest Relative: Mrs. Katherine Ridal, Prospect Millers Falls, Franklin, > > Mass. > > Height/Build:Med/Med > > Color of Eyes/Hair: L. Blue/Light brown > > Date: Sept 12, 1918 > > Montague, Mass. > > --------- > > World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 > > > > Name: Steve Ridal > > City: Amherst (where he signed up) > > County: Hampshire (where he signed up) > > State: Massachusetts (where he signed up) > > Residence: Prospect?, Millers Falls?, ????????, Mass. > > Alien > > Birthplace: Poland > > Ostrolewka? Lomza, Poland > > Birth Date: 6 Jul 1888 > > Race: White > > FHL Roll Number: 1684522 > > DraftBoard: 8 > > Age: 28 > > Occupation: Mechanic > > Employer: Millers? ????? Co, ????? Mass. > > Dependant: Wife & 2 children > > Height/Build: Med/Med > > Color of Eyes/Hair: Blue/Brown > > Date: June 5, 1917 > > Precinct: 2 > > City or County: Montague > > State: Mass. > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks got Cathy for sending me the following. Debbie WISCONSIN'S POLISH LEGACY With Poles in Wisconsin (Paperback: $9.95, ISBN: 978-0-87020-422-7), the newest addition to the People of Wisconsin series, author Susan Gibson Mikos traces the history of Polish immigrants as they settled in America's northern heartland. The second largest immigrant population after Germans, Poles put down roots in all corners of the state, from the industrial center of Milwaukee to the farmland around Stevens Point, in the Cutover, and beyond. In each locale, they brought with them a hunger to own land, a willingness to work hard, and a passion for building churches. Included is a first-person memoir from Polish immigrant Maciej Wojda, translated for the first time into English, and historical photographs of Polish settlements around our state. About the Author: Susan Gibson Mikos is a historic preservation consultant who lives in Shorewood, Wisconsin. Her other books include "Kresy," a volume of photographs taken by geographer Louise Arner Boyd in the eastern borderlands of Poland in 1934. Over the past thirty years, Mikos has been active in several Polish cultural organizations, including the Polish Center of Wisconsin and Polanki, the Polish Women's Cultural Club of Milwaukee. For individual orders: Order by phone toll free at 888-999-1669, shop online at www.wisconsinhistory.org/shop, or shop in person at the Wisconsin Historical Museum Shop, 30 N. Carroll St., Madison WI 53706 Events: Saturday, June 16 and Sunday, June 17, 2012, 1 - 3 pm both days, Author signing at Polish Fest on the Milwaukee Summerfest Grounds (event to be held at the Cultural Village) Poles in Wisconsin By Susan Gibson Mikos, Foreword by John Gurda Paperback: $9.95 ISBN: 978-0-87020-422-7 136 pages, 35 b/w photos, 6 x 9

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Marge, Thanks for finding the web site and passing along the information. Now to bookmark it where I won't lose it. Debbie Marge Clark wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > > I hoping someone can help me find a site I visited several years ago. > > My pc crashed and I lost all my links. > > The site has maps of the development of canals and railroads, I think, > > Dated back in the 1800's. They can be viewed on individual pages > > Or there is an automated viewing showing the development over the years. > > I would appreciate any assistance. I've run out of ideas to search. > > Marge > > ********************************* > I'm answering my own posting. > This is for Debbie Greenlee also. > I found the site. > http://iegmaps.de/enter.htm > It is in German but if you click on the link for eisenbahn > You will get a list of dates; click on each one and you > Will get a map of railroad development for that year. > One of these links is also for canals - same procedure. > Have fun exploring the other links too. > These maps are helpful when trying to figure out how your > Ancestors got to the ports to come to the US. > Enjoy > Marge > >

-----Original Message----- I hoping someone can help me find a site I visited several years ago. My pc crashed and I lost all my links. The site has maps of the development of canals and railroads, I think, Dated back in the 1800's. They can be viewed on individual pages Or there is an automated viewing showing the development over the years. I would appreciate any assistance. I've run out of ideas to search. Marge ********************************* I'm answering my own posting. This is for Debbie Greenlee also. I found the site. http://iegmaps.de/enter.htm It is in German but if you click on the link for eisenbahn You will get a list of dates; click on each one and you Will get a map of railroad development for that year. One of these links is also for canals - same procedure. Have fun exploring the other links too. These maps are helpful when trying to figure out how your Ancestors got to the ports to come to the US. Enjoy Marge

Hello again Megan, you already have some of this stuff. The Hamburg passenger lists show the family's last residence as Gniewkowitz. The New York passenger lists show the birthplace of Karl in bartschen (meant for Barcin/ Bartschin ?), Henriette in hohensalza, and all the children born indexed as bruewkarig (Gniewkowitz). They were going to son Otto Borck (Barck), Saginaw, Mich. http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp has Nowa Wies Wielka, where Carl & Henriette were married, is located about 5 miles from Gniewkowitz (Gniewkowiec). Hohensalza located about 9 1/2 miles from Gniewkowitz (Gniewkowiec). And Bartschin (Barcin) is located about 8 1/2 miles from Gniewkowitz (Gniewkowiec). http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseuwe.asp show what Lutheran & Catholic churches were affiliated with these towns. Hope this helps. Ruth Pokorny ---------------- Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934 (in German) Name Departure Date Estimated Birth Year Port of Arrival Ship Name Karl Borck 18 Mai 1907 (18 May 1907) abt 1851 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Plymouth; New York Pretoria Henriette Borck 18 Mai 1907 (18 May 1907) abt 1862 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Plymouth; New York Pretoria Erich Borck 18 Mai 1907 (18 May 1907) abt 1895 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Plymouth; New York Pretoria Richard Borck 18 Mai 1907 (18 May 1907) abt 1898 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Plymouth; New York Pretoria Frida Borck 18 Mai 1907 (18 May 1907) abt 1900 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Plymouth; New York Pretoria Erna Borck 18 Mai 1907 (18 May 1907) abt 1902 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Plymouth; New York Pretoria Else Borck 18 Mai 1907 (18 May 1907) abt 1904 Cuxhaven; Boulogne-sur-Mer; Plymouth; New York Pretoria Residence: Gniewkowitz ------------------ New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 Name Arrival Date Birth Year Port of Departure Ethnicity/ Nationality Ship Name Karl Bark 31 May 1907 abt 1851 Hamburg German Pretoria Henriette Bark 31 May 1907 abt 1862 Hamburg German Pretoria Erich Bark 31 May 1907 abt 1895 Hamburg German Pretoria Richard Bark 31 May 1907 abt 1898 Hamburg German Pretoria Frida Bark 31 May 1907 abt 1900 Hamburg German Pretoria Erna Bark 31 May 1907 abt 1902 Hamburg German Pretoria Eld Bark 31 May 1907 abt 1904 Hamburg German Pretoria Karl born bartschen (meant for Barcin/ Bartschin ?) Henriette born hohensalza All children born indexed as bruewkarig (Gniewkowitz) Last residence was Gniewkowitz Going to son Otto Borck (Barck), Saginaw, Mich. ------------------ http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp Type in Gniewkowiec. Select Poland. Hit Search. For the town Gniewkowiec, click on the 10 mile radius button...... Location (Native names in BOLD) Feature Type Coordinates Maps Country Distance/Direction from 52°55'N 18°09'E 10 mile radius Gniewkowiec populated place 52°55' N 18°09' E E M U G Poland 0.0 miles N Nowa Wies Wielka populated place 52°59' N 18°06' E E M U G Poland 5.1 miles NNW Barcin, Barcin Wies populated place 52°53' N 17°57' E E M U G Poland 8.6 miles WSW Hohensalza, Inovrotslav, Inowraclaw, Inowroclaw, Irownoclaw populated place 52°48' N 18°16' E E M U G Poland 9.4 miles SSE ----------------- http://www.kartenmeister.com/preview/databaseuwe.asp German Name Gniewkowitz Alternate Name 1: Gniewkowiec 1789 Polish/Russian Name Gniewkowiec Kreis/County Hohensalza German Province Posen Today's Province Kujawsko-Pomorskie Location East 18°09' North 52°55' Google Map Google Maps (Gniewkowitz) Map Number 56 Location Description This village/town is located 2.3 km and 6 degrees from Güldenhof, which is known today as Zlotniki Kujawskie Lutheran Parish Güldenhof 1905 Catholic Parish Tuczno 1905 Standesamt/Civil Registry Gniewkowitz 1905 Gemeindelexikon/Town Index V-12-23 Population By Year/Einwohner 1905: 334 Remarks Shows in 1789 15 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Königliches Bauerdorf und Vorwerk German Name Hohensalza Alternate Name 1: Inowraclaw 1789 Alternate Name 2: Inowrazlaw Alternate Name 3: Jungbreslau Polish/Russian Name Inowroclaw Kreis/County Hohensalza Residents of Jewish Faith 1157 German Province Posen Today's Province Kujawsko-Pomorskie Location East 18°15' North 52°47' Google Map Google Maps (Hohensalza) Map Number 56 Location Description This village/town is located 40.1 km and 155 degrees from Bromberg, which is known today as Bydgoszcz Lutheran Parish Hohensalza 1905 Catholic Parish Hohensalza 1905 Standesamt/Civil Registry Hohensalza 1905 Gemeindelexikon/Town Index V-12-12 Population By Year/Einwohner 1780: 905 1783: 1157 1875: 9147 1880: 11558 1905: 24123 Remarks Shows in 1789 260 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Königliche Immediat-Stadt, eine halbe Meile vom Goplo See, mit einer katholischen Pfarr-Kirche und 6 dazu gehörigen Filial-Kirchen, einem Franciskaner-Kloster und einer Synagoge. Vor der Stadt sind 3 Windmühlen. auch hat das Königliche Domainen Amt Inowraclaw hierselbst auf dem dicht bei der Stadt belegenen Königlichen Vorwerke Grostwo seinen Sitz Church Yes German Name Bartschin Alternate Name 1: Barcin 1789 Alternate Name 2: Barcyn 1789 Alternate Name 3: Barczyn 1789 Alternate Name 4: Bartzin 1789 Polish/Russian Name Barcin Kreis/County Schubin Residents of Jewish Faith 75 German Province Posen Today's Province Kujawsko-Pomorskie Location East 17°57' North 52°51' Google Map Google Maps (Bartschin) Map Number 56 Location Description This village/town is located 21.9 km and 290 degrees from Hohensalza, which is known today as Inowroclaw Lutheran Parish Bartschin 1905 Catholic Parish Bartschin 1905 Standesamt/Civil Registry Bartschin 1905 Gemeindelexikon/Town Index V-35-1 Population By Year/Einwohner 1783: 397 1885: 7378 1905: 1431 Remarks Shows in 1789 61 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Mediat-Stadt am westliche Ufer der Netze, nebst 2 katholischen Kirchen, eine Mahl- Schneide - und Walkmühle. 1885 344 Jewish residents. Add 204 Residents for Gutsbezirk in 1905. Gemeindelexikon Code: V-35-115 Church Yes German Name Groß Neudorf Alternate Name 1: Groß Neudorff 1789 Polish/Russian Name Nowa Wies Wielka Kreis/County Bromberg German Province Posen Today's Province Kujawsko-Pomorskie Location East 18°06' North 52°58' Google Map Google Maps (Groß Neudorf) Map Number 56 Location Description This village/town is located 18.1 km and 158 degrees from Bromberg, which is known today as Bydgoszcz Lutheran Parish Groß Neudorf 1905 Catholic Parish Penchowo, Kreis Hohensalza 1905 Standesamt/Civil Registry Groß Neudorf 1905 Gemeindelexikon/Town Index V-5-41 Population By Year/Einwohner 1905: 399 Remarks Shows in 1789 5 Feuerstellen and is classified as: Königlich Dorf. Church Yes

-----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie Greenlee Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 2:02 PM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POLAND] Canals and Railroads Marge, I didn't have anything bookmarked like this but I do have a reference book, _Historical Atlas of East Central Europe_ by Paul Robert Magocsi, you'll find at least one canal and railway map showing development between 1850 and 1914 (WWI). The first railroads didn't appear in Europe until the 1840s. There appears to have been a quite few railway lines even before 1881. Debbie Marge Clark wrote: > I hoping someone can help me find a site I visited several years ago. > My pc crashed and I lost all my links. > The site has maps of the development of canals and railroads, I think, > > Dated back in the 1800's. They can be viewed on individual pages > Or there is an automated viewing showing the development over the years. > I would appreciate any assistance. I've run out of ideas to search. > Marge ********************************* Debbie, Thank you for the information on the book. I'll look the book up. Marge

Magan, here is their marriage record. But this index does not list the parent's names. Don't know if the original record does or not. Hope this helps. RP -------------- http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/ Protestant community in Nowa Wies Wielka [Gross-Neudorf], entry # 31 in 1884 score: Groom: 100% Carl Bork (34) Henriette Kutsch (23?) Here are 2 other Bork marriages in the same parish.....related ?? Protestant community in Nowa Wies Wielka [Gross-Neudorf], entry # 31 in 1883 score: Bride: 100% Julius Ferdinand Wegner (26) Ernestine Bork (36 1/3) Protestant community in Nowa Wies Wielka [Gross-Neudorf], entry # 3 in 1868 score: Groom: 91% Friedrich Boeke alias Borke (28) father: Carl Boeke oder Borke +, mother: Louise Belz + Ernestine Wilhelmine Teske (20) father: Heinrich Teske, mother: Caroline Pankonin ------------------- http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/data/parish.php?parish=byw23 Nowa Wies Wielka Gross-Neudorf (Bydgoszcz-Land) 5258 1805 BY Nowawies Wielka Lutheran community 1861 Labiszyn,Rojewice 3934 souls (ca. 1900) State Archive in Bydgoszcz B 1861-1874 M 1861-1874 D 1861-1874 Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin B 1861-1888 M 1861-1887 D 1861-1874 Zentralstelle für Genealogie in Leipzig D 1861-1874 LDS microfilms B 1861-1888 245475 M 1861-1887 245476 D 1861-1874 B 1868-1904 245477 BMD 1861-1867 715121 D 1861-1867 D 1868-1874 1949640 Civil registry USC Nowa Wies Wielka? State Archive in Bydgoszcz B 1874- M 1874- D 1874- LDS microfilms BMD 1877-1878 B 1879 1417572 #11-17 MD 1879 BMD 1880-1882 BM 1883 1417573 #1-13 -------------------- Click on ...... Get Original Record Box http://poznan-project.psnc.pl/data/arch.php?arch=7a Our database only provides basic information to identify the spouses. There is no liability for the accuracy, as it depends on the quality of the record and the skills of the transcriber. The full information about the marriage can only be found in the original records. The original record for this marriage is held in the Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin, Germany. You can write for its photocopy or digital copy to the address provided below. Further genealogical research is also offered there. Evangelisches Zentralarchiv in Berlin Bethaniendamm 29 10997 Berlin GERMANY WWW: http://www.ezab.de E-mail: kirchenbuchstelle@ezab.de ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Scott" <skyryder12@gmail.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: [POLAND] Finding information on Bork > Hello everyone, > > I'm searching for a marriage certificate of my Great-Great > Grandparents, Carl & Henrietta (also i have documents spelling her > name Henriette & Henritte) Bork. Henrietta's maiden name was Kutsch > and they were married November 24, 1884. On Carl's obituary, it said > they were married in Posen (which we all know is very vague). But, I > do know what area that they lived in when both my Great Grandma (Erna > Bork) and Great Aunt (Elsie or Else Bork) were born. I do have my > great grandmother's birth certificate because she gave it to my > grandma and on the certificate it said that she as born in Gniewkowitz > Kreis Hohensaiza Germany, which is now Poland. The polish spelling is > now Gniewkowiec Indowroclaw Bydgoszcz, Poland. When they came to the > US they attended a Lutheran church, but I have no idea what kind of > church they went to when they lived in Germany. > > I have all the documentation from them coming over on the ship to the > US and everything after that, but i am completely stuck trying to find > their marriage certificate, because i have no idea who Carl and > Henrietta's parents were. I've tried numerous genealogy search sites > and coming up with nothing. Also, if there was a site for searching > baptism or birth certificates, that would also be helpful! > > Any help would be appreciated!!!! > > Megan Scott > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >