Paul, This is great stuff! Where did you find all of this information? I know it wasn't in English. . . Debbie whose own family were farmers. Paul Rakow wrote: > Hello Debbie, Vera, > > One of my ancestors moved from Ozorkow (a few miles from Zgierz) > to Knyszyn near Bialystok at about the same time, 1831. > > Along with about 20 other clothmakers from the town, he first > tried to get permission to move to the Bialystok area in the 1820s. > I was lucky enough to find some documents about his first attempt > in the Warsaw archives. Here's what he said: > > ====== > > 7 August, 1824, Ozorkow > > Gottlieb Huebner, cloth manufacturer, presented himself in person, > and testified: > > My name is Gottlieb Huebner, my profession is cloth-maker. I was born > in the town Zaniemysl in the province Poznan. The last place I lived > in was the town Pyzdry; I came to live in Ozorkow three years ago. I > have my own house, on a site with 2 morgens of land. I also own the > machines needed to pursue my trade, and some household equipment. > > 1) So you intend to emigrate to Russia? Why? > > Answer to 1) > > I intend to move to Russia, if I am permitted. The reason is simply > that the market in our goods is poor, because of the increasing number > of large factories, such as the Harrer factory in Sieradz. Trade has > declined noticeably, and I believe it is bound to collapse. > > I do not have any other reasons, and I am not suffering from any > injustices. The only thing I need to mention in conclusion is that > the Squire of the Ozorkow estate has already sold the grist and > fulling mills to be used as manufacturies, and is depriving us of > opportunities to use the fulling mill. This lack will soon be, in > fact already is, felt by us. We, the manufacturers of Ozorkow, only > have one fulling mill; a very poor one, at that. > > As for my public liabilities, I have nothing to say. I am only liable > for the town treasury tax, labour duty, and the school fee. I have no > reason to complain about public burdens. > > This is my honest testimony, in witness whereof I sign with my own > hand. I state that no one urged me to move to Russia, and that I am > certain I know of no one who would urge it. > > Gottlieb Huebner > > ============= > > So, as Debbie guessed, its mostly economic reasons. > > One reason for a lot of cloth-makers leaving the Lodz > region and moving to Bialystok was that the Russians had put up the > customs duty to keep cheap cloth from the Polish provinces out > of Russia proper. Bialystok at that time was on the Russian side > of the customs line, so some of the big industrialists from the > Lodz region opened up factories in Bialystok, and many of the > small clothmakers moved too. I'll have to check on the date that > the customs were raised - but I think it was soon after the 1830 > Polish uprising. > > Also, clothmaking in the 1800s was still run on the guild > system. After their apprenticeship a young clothmaker had to > several years travelling around working in different towns to > gain experience and see how things were done elsewhere, so they > would know where the best opportunities were. I think that's why > clothmaker families are so challenging to track, because sons > often settled far away from their birthplace, unlike farm people. > > Paul Rakow > > Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> wrote: >> Vera, >> >> There are no stupid questions. You've heard that before right? It's >> true, however, I don't think anyone here can answer your question >> definitively. >> >> If adult children were married they _might not_ have followed the >> parents to another place. If the adult children were unmarried then >> they probably would have moved with their parents. >> >> People moved long distances to seek a better life and more work. Word >> of more work/lack of certain craftsmen got around; newspapers, word of >> mouth. Most people at this time did not own land so it wasn't a big >> deal to move. A clothmaker's sons would have worked for him or with him. >> >> You don't have to necessarily hire someone (especially in Bia?ystok) >> to look for records. LDS has filmed Lutheran records for this city >> covering 1841-1886. But these records would only help if you think >> your ancestors were baptized and/or married in the Bia?ystok parish. >> http://tinyurl.com/atfl78j > >> Debbie >

Vera, Wow, now you're asking questions that I can't answer. Have you searched on line for pictures of the Ewangeliche (this may not be a correct spelling but it's close) kościol in Supraśl? I never thought about Poland having chimney sweeps but I suppose there quite a few since every home had a chimney; probably not as many as one per village but perhaps one per gmina or powiat? Debbie Vera Miller wrote: > Hi Debbie, > Paulina Kretzer and Karl Hoffmann were married in Suprasl in the Evangelicalprayer-house in 1855. Is it possible to find pictures of this prayer house online? > I will ask Bialystok archives to look up Kretzer in Bialsytok parish records because it's too complicated for me to get to the local family history center. I am hoping archives finds something about my Kretzer family who lived in Ratowiec. > My Hoffman family from Ciechanowiec were chimney sweepers. Was this a common profession for people in Ciechanowiec? The rest of my family who lived in the Bialystok area were clothmakers. > Vera > >> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:16:56 -0600 >> From: daveg@airmail.net >> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] family relocation in 1830s >> >> Vera, >> >> There are no stupid questions. You've heard that before right? It's >> true, however, I don't think anyone here can answer your question >> definitively. >> >> If adult children were married they _might not_ have followed the >> parents to another place. If the adult children were unmarried then >> they probably would have moved with their parents. >> >> People moved long distances to seek a better life and more work. Word >> of more work/lack of certain craftsmen got around; newspapers, word of >> mouth. Most people at this time did not own land so it wasn't a big >> deal to move. A clothmaker's sons would have worked for him or with him. >> >> You don't have to necessarily hire someone (especially in Białystok) >> to look for records. LDS has filmed Lutheran records for this city >> covering 1841-1886. But these records would only help if you think >> your ancestors were baptized and/or married in the Białystok parish. >> http://tinyurl.com/atfl78j >> >> You didn't mention in which parish or village Paulina Kretzer and Karl >> Hoffmann were married. >> >> FYI Ciechanowiec (if I have the correct one) is in old województwo of >> Łomża. I mention this because you wrote that it was near Białystok and >> Białystok was also a województwo. Just didn't want any confusion. >> >> Ratowiec is in gmina Czarna Wieś Kościelna, old woj. Białystok. >> Interestingly, this village does not come up when searched on >> jewishgen or mapa.szukacz.pl It does show up on the map site if you >> search on Czarna Wieś Kościelna. (weird). >> >> Debbie

Hi Debbie, Paulina Kretzer and Karl Hoffmann were married in Suprasl in the Evangelicalprayer-house in 1855. Is it possible to find pictures of this prayer house online? I will ask Bialystok archives to look up Kretzer in Bialsytok parish records because it's too complicated for me to get to the local family history center. I am hoping archives finds something about my Kretzer family who lived in Ratowiec. My Hoffman family from Ciechanowiec were chimney sweepers. Was this a common profession for people in Ciechanowiec? The rest of my family who lived in the Bialystok area were clothmakers. Vera > Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:16:56 -0600 > From: daveg@airmail.net > To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POLAND] family relocation in 1830s > > Vera, > > There are no stupid questions. You've heard that before right? It's > true, however, I don't think anyone here can answer your question > definitively. > > If adult children were married they _might not_ have followed the > parents to another place. If the adult children were unmarried then > they probably would have moved with their parents. > > People moved long distances to seek a better life and more work. Word > of more work/lack of certain craftsmen got around; newspapers, word of > mouth. Most people at this time did not own land so it wasn't a big > deal to move. A clothmaker's sons would have worked for him or with him. > > You don't have to necessarily hire someone (especially in Białystok) > to look for records. LDS has filmed Lutheran records for this city > covering 1841-1886. But these records would only help if you think > your ancestors were baptized and/or married in the Białystok parish. > http://tinyurl.com/atfl78j > > You didn't mention in which parish or village Paulina Kretzer and Karl > Hoffmann were married. > > FYI Ciechanowiec (if I have the correct one) is in old województwo of > Łomża. I mention this because you wrote that it was near Białystok and > Białystok was also a województwo. Just didn't want any confusion. > > Ratowiec is in gmina Czarna Wieś Kościelna, old woj. Białystok. > Interestingly, this village does not come up when searched on > jewishgen or mapa.szukacz.pl It does show up on the map site if you > search on Czarna Wieś Kościelna. (weird). > > Debbie

Vera, There are no stupid questions. You've heard that before right? It's true, however, I don't think anyone here can answer your question definitively. If adult children were married they _might not_ have followed the parents to another place. If the adult children were unmarried then they probably would have moved with their parents. People moved long distances to seek a better life and more work. Word of more work/lack of certain craftsmen got around; newspapers, word of mouth. Most people at this time did not own land so it wasn't a big deal to move. A clothmaker's sons would have worked for him or with him. You don't have to necessarily hire someone (especially in Białystok) to look for records. LDS has filmed Lutheran records for this city covering 1841-1886. But these records would only help if you think your ancestors were baptized and/or married in the Białystok parish. http://tinyurl.com/atfl78j You didn't mention in which parish or village Paulina Kretzer and Karl Hoffmann were married. FYI Ciechanowiec (if I have the correct one) is in old województwo of Łomża. I mention this because you wrote that it was near Białystok and Białystok was also a województwo. Just didn't want any confusion. Ratowiec is in gmina Czarna Wieś Kościelna, old woj. Białystok. Interestingly, this village does not come up when searched on jewishgen or mapa.szukacz.pl It does show up on the map site if you search on Czarna Wieś Kościelna. (weird). Debbie Vera Miller wrote: > Hello all, > I am trying to research the path of my Kretzer family. > My great-great-great-grandmother Pauline Kretzer was born in 1836 in a village near Zgierz and Lodz. She married Carl Hoffmann, born 1835 in Ciechanowiec, near Bialystok. At the time of marriage, Pauline was living in Ratowiec near Bialystok. > Would it be correct to assume Pauline traveled from Zgierz to near Bialystok with her parents as an unmarried woman? The Kretzers were clothmakers. Would all the unmarried children of my great-great-great-great-grandparents be expected to relocate near Bialystok or would all grown children (unmarried and married) be expected to relocate? How would the clothmakers know to relocate to another city like Bialystok? Would the entire extended family be offered employment in clothmaking? Sorry if this sounds like stupid questions. > I am trying to determine whether it would be worth my money to have Bialystok archives search for Kretzer in Bialystok evangelical lutherans records. I do not know whether Kretzer was a common name in this area for the German population. > Vera >

Vera, Sorry to say I don't know of anyone who lives within 3 hours of Legnica (I was just there in September). However, many Polish researchers will combine assignments in one trip. I would suggest you use someone from Poznan such as Łukasz Bielecki: http://www.discovering-roots.pl/welcome.htm Debbie Vera Miller wrote: > Debbie, Do you know a researcher near > Legnica, Poland? Thanks, Vera > >

Hello all, I am trying to research the path of my Kretzer family. My great-great-great-grandmother Pauline Kretzer was born in 1836 in a village near Zgierz and Lodz. She married Carl Hoffmann, born 1835 in Ciechanowiec, near Bialystok. At the time of marriage, Pauline was living in Ratowiec near Bialystok. Would it be correct to assume Pauline traveled from Zgierz to near Bialystok with her parents as an unmarried woman? The Kretzers were clothmakers. Would all the unmarried children of my great-great-great-great-grandparents be expected to relocate near Bialystok or would all grown children (unmarried and married) be expected to relocate? How would the clothmakers know to relocate to another city like Bialystok? Would the entire extended family be offered employment in clothmaking? Sorry if this sounds like stupid questions. I am trying to determine whether it would be worth my money to have Bialystok archives search for Kretzer in Bialystok evangelical lutherans records. I do not know whether Kretzer was a common name in this area for the German population. Vera

Hi Paul, It is interesting our clothmaking ancestors lived in three of the same towns. The researcher recommended looking at records for Strykow and Ozorkow but I cannot afford to have her look at everything. I really don't have the time or patience to look at the microfilms. The nearest family history center has limited hours and it is hard to view records when I have two young kids. It is hard for me to look at the records. After I find records on the microfilms, I have to pay someone to translate the records. It just seems easier to have a professional researcher do the work herself. Do you have pictures from your visit of Zgierz? Have you ever contacted archives for Rothenburg? I want to contact them to see whether I can confirm parents for my Hentszel ancestor. Vera > Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 13:43:31 +0100 > From: paul.edward.luther.rakow@desy.de > To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Henschel/Hentszel Kretzer/Kreutzer- Zgierz > > > Hello Again Vera, > > Congratulations on your progress! > > Our families seem to show up in the same towns - I too > had cloth-maker ancestors who lived in Bialystok, and in Zgierz, > and in Rothenburg in Silesia. > > There are lots of birth, marriage and death records from > Zgierz on microfilm, for all religions, that you can borrow from > the Mormons/LDS. Each year of the records has an index, so you > can quickly find the interesting records. I have visited Zgierz, > there are still a lot of 19th century wooden cloth-makers' > houses in one part of the town. > > The LDS also have films of the Protestant church books from > Rothenburg, with baptisms going back as far as 1655. However, > cloth-maker families moved around a lot, so you can't be sure > of following your family back to the beginning of the church > records (though you might get lucky). > > Once you have finished with the microfilms, there is a lot > of interesting stuff about Zgierz stored in the archive in Lodz. > I found my great-great grandfather's school reports from the 1830s. > (behaviour - good, academic achievement - average). > > Paul Rakow > > PS, the clothmaker families I am following are: > The HUEBNERs in Budzyn, Kornik, Zaniemysl, Pyzdry, *Rothenburg*, > Ozorkow, Knyszyn and *Bialystok* (That family moved every 5 or 10 years). > and GRUENKEs in Belchatow, *Zgierz*, Knyszyn and *Bialystok* > > ----- > > Vera Miller <veramiller@verizon.net> wrote: > > > > Hello all! > > I have finally started getting my Zgierz roots researched. > > I have learned my great-great-great-grandmother Paulina Kretzer had a > > brother, Karol Fryderyk Kretzer. He was born June 7, 1843 in the village of > > Slowik, near Zgierz. Paulina was born in 1835 or 1836 near Zgierz. Her > > birth > > record has not been found yet. > > He and Paulina were children of Josef Kretzer, a clothmaker, and Marianna > > Hentszel. Josef was born in 1802 or 1803. Marianna was born in 1812 or > > 1813. > > A researcher possibly found a brother for Marianna- Henryk Henschel. He was > > born in Rothenburg, Silesia. He was born in 1815 or 1814 to Gotlieb > > Henschel > > and Joanna Krystyna Schermer. Gotlieb was a clothmaker. > > Henryk married Caroline Wilhelmina Trettin, daughter of Gotlieb Trettin and > > Elisabeth Grams. > > I would love to hear from anyone related to the people mentioned above. > > Thanks! > > Vera > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debbie, Do you know a researcher near Legnica, Poland? Thanks, Vera

On 11/5/12, Kris D <annabean01@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I'm still trying to figure out how this mailing list works. > How do I update info? or respond? You simply send another email to the list, like you just did. It goes to the mail server, and then gets sent on to everyone who has subscribed to the list. The lack of responses may be because many list members are preoccupied with the election and will turn back to their genealogy email mid-week. If you want to change the subject line on a post, then how to do that depends on your email client or the web interface that you use, but you just edit the subject and your email will reflect that new subject line.

I'm still trying to figure out how this mailing list works. How do I update info? or respond? any way.....I do have some new info on my earlier request for help. Agnes Baldys - last name very well may be Pauldis. Kris D.

These are the names I am needing help finding more information on. Martin Gunia, b ~1872 d 1961 in LaSalle Illinois. This is the only information I have on him. Martin’s wife: Agnes (Agniezka) Baldys, b 1884 d 1955. One immigration form I found lists her father as Jakob Baldys. Martin and Agnes were my great grandparents. They had 4 sons (Felix, Bernard, Joseph and John) and 5 daughters (Teofila- my Grandmother, Justyna, Mary, Martha, Wanda) Jan Kolata b 1873 d ??; parents: (possibly incorrect) Joseph Kolata and Anna Kotlarcyzk. Jan’s wife: Rosalia Porebski b 1887 d ??? Jan and Rosalia are my great grandparents. They had 4 sons (Andrejz, Boleslaw, Joseph, Stanislaw- my Grandfather) and 3 daughters (Aniela, Zophia, Teofila). All records I can find list them all from Galicia. I do know that my grandfather and grandmother lived in Wadowice/Zembryzce. My Grandmother told my mother that she came from the same town as Pope John Paul and knew him and his family. Is there anyone out there that can give me any info on the parents or siblings of these listed above? I’d soooooo appreciate any help....I’ve been stuck for quite some time. Kris

Hello Again Vera, Congratulations on your progress! Our families seem to show up in the same towns - I too had cloth-maker ancestors who lived in Bialystok, and in Zgierz, and in Rothenburg in Silesia. There are lots of birth, marriage and death records from Zgierz on microfilm, for all religions, that you can borrow from the Mormons/LDS. Each year of the records has an index, so you can quickly find the interesting records. I have visited Zgierz, there are still a lot of 19th century wooden cloth-makers' houses in one part of the town. The LDS also have films of the Protestant church books from Rothenburg, with baptisms going back as far as 1655. However, cloth-maker families moved around a lot, so you can't be sure of following your family back to the beginning of the church records (though you might get lucky). Once you have finished with the microfilms, there is a lot of interesting stuff about Zgierz stored in the archive in Lodz. I found my great-great grandfather's school reports from the 1830s. (behaviour - good, academic achievement - average). Paul Rakow PS, the clothmaker families I am following are: The HUEBNERs in Budzyn, Kornik, Zaniemysl, Pyzdry, *Rothenburg*, Ozorkow, Knyszyn and *Bialystok* (That family moved every 5 or 10 years). and GRUENKEs in Belchatow, *Zgierz*, Knyszyn and *Bialystok* ----- Vera Miller <veramiller@verizon.net> wrote: > > Hello all! > I have finally started getting my Zgierz roots researched. > I have learned my great-great-great-grandmother Paulina Kretzer had a > brother, Karol Fryderyk Kretzer. He was born June 7, 1843 in the village of > Slowik, near Zgierz. Paulina was born in 1835 or 1836 near Zgierz. Her > birth > record has not been found yet. > He and Paulina were children of Josef Kretzer, a clothmaker, and Marianna > Hentszel. Josef was born in 1802 or 1803. Marianna was born in 1812 or > 1813. > A researcher possibly found a brother for Marianna- Henryk Henschel. He was > born in Rothenburg, Silesia. He was born in 1815 or 1814 to Gotlieb > Henschel > and Joanna Krystyna Schermer. Gotlieb was a clothmaker. > Henryk married Caroline Wilhelmina Trettin, daughter of Gotlieb Trettin and > Elisabeth Grams. > I would love to hear from anyone related to the people mentioned above. > Thanks! > Vera >

pozdrowienia wszystkie.... I'm looking for a researcher in the vicinity of Solec-Zdroz who can assist me with research in that area. My grandfather emigrated from a small village (Wola Biechowska) in that area and I'd like to find someone who can search out Parish records, cemetery records and any living relatives in that area. I've visited the area and have the name of a local priest who might be of assistance but there were no records of interest in his church. There was, however, a family with the Samiec surname in that congregation (some who bore a very strong family resemblance) that he took us to meet but they had no recollection of any family member emigrating to the USA in the early 1900's. They did note another family of Samiec's living in the village of Biechow, another possible lead. However, my time in the area was limited and had to return to Krakow without continuing the search. Also, the language barrier was a significant issue for me. Although the people were extremely friendly ! and most anxious to help, it was difficult to communicate effectively. The major cities (within an hour plus or minus) are Krakow, Kielce, Rzeszow and Tarnow. If anyone can refer me to a competent researcher in that region I'd appreciate receiving the contact information. dziękuję za pomoc, Piotr Samiec

Sunny, It seems like Josef immigrated in 1914, even though the 1930 census states 1907. The 1920 census states 1914. From the census records I found, if this is the right family, Maryann most likely died between 1925, when Stanley was born and 1928, when Josef's 2nd wife Blanche states in the 1930 census that she was married at age 19. She was 21 in 1930. Josef seems to have had a brother Antoni, who also lived in Philly. His wife seems to have been Wladaslawa Yasinski. They had a son die in 1910. Have you thought about renting microfilms of Mlawa through the LDS? RP ------------- Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945 Name: Josef Pokropski Arrival Date: 15 May 1914 Age: 20 Years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Gender: Male Ethnic Background: Polish Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany Ship Name: Rugia Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Friend's Name: Antoni Prokopski Last Residence: Russia Birthplace: Klawa, Russia (Mlawa?) Microfilm Roll Number: T840_126 **Father Simon Prokopski Mlawa? Final Destination: Pa Philad. Br? (Brother?) Antoni Prokopski, 2612? Bermude? st, Philad. Pa --------------- Hamburger Passagierlisten, 1850-1934 Hamburg Passenger Lists, 1850-1934 Name: Josef Pokropski Departure Date: 29 Apr 1914 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Age Year: 20 Gender: männlich (Male) Marital Status: ledig (Single) Family: Household members Residence: Ulawa, Ethnicity/Nationality: Russland (Russian) Occupation: Landmann, Tagelöhner Ship Name: Rugia Shipping Line: Hamburg-Amerika Linie (Hamburg-Amerikanische Packetfahrt-Actien-Gesellschaft) Ship Type: Dampfschiff Accommodation: Zwischendeck Ship Flag: Deutschland Port of Departure: Hamburg Port of Arrival: Emden; Philadelphia Volume: 373-7 I, VIII A 1 Band 276 Page: 1019 Microfilm Roll Number: K_1836 -------------- U.S., World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: Joseph Pakrowski Residence: 4438 Almond, Phila Pa. City: Philadelphia County: Philadelphia State: Pennsylvania Birthplace: Russia,Poland (Mlawa) Birth Date: 20 Feb 1896 Father's birthplace: Mlawa Russia,Poland Draft Board: 47 Age: 21 Employer: Penn Forge Co., Stiles St., Fkd? Phila Pa Nearest Relative: Mary Pakrouska, 4438 Almond, Phila Pa. Height/Build: Tall/Medium? Color of Eyes/Hair: Blue/Light Brown Date: June 5, 1918 -------------------- 1920 United States Federal Census Name: Joseph Pokrowski Age: 22 Birth Year: abt 1898 Birthplace: Poland Home in 1920: Philadelphia Ward 23, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 4561 Pierce St. Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1914 Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Maryanna Pokrowski Father's Birthplace: Poland Mother's Birthplace: Poland Home Owned: Rent Able to Read: No Able to Write: No Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Joseph Pokrowski 22 born Poland Maryanna Pokrowski 22 born Poland Edward Pokrowski 2[2 3/12] born Penn Zygmunt Pokrowski 0[7/12] born Penn Bronislaw Pszekoh 26[6] (boarder) --------------- 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Joseph Pokropski Gender: Male Birth Year: abt 1897 Birthplace: Poland Race: White Home in 1930: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 4765 Milmos? Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1907 Relation to Head of House: Head Spouse's Name: Blanche Pokropski Father's Birthplace: Poland Mother's Birthplace: Poland Occupation: Education: Military Service: Rent/home value: Age at first marriage: Household Members: Name Age Joseph Pokropski 33 born Poland, married age 19 Blanche Pokropski 21 born Penn, married age 19 Edward Pokropski 13 born Penn Zigmund Pokropski 12 born Penn Frederick Pokropski 10 born Penn Stella Pokropski 6 born Penn Stanley Pokropski 4[4 8/12] born Penn ---------------- 1940 United States Federal Census Name: Joseph Copropski Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Poland Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Street: Paul Street House Number: 4155 Inferred Residence in 1935: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Residence in 1935: Same Place Sheet Number: 9B Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 179 Household Members: Name Age Joseph Copropski (Popropski) 44 born Poland Blanche Copropski (Popropski) 32 born Penn Alfred Copropski (Popropski) 19 born Penn Stella Copropski (Popropski) 16 born Penn Stanley Copropski (Popropski) 15 born Penn Blanche Copropski (Popropski) 8 born Penn Mary Copropski (Popropski) 6 born Penn Joseph Copropski (Popropski) 8/12 born Penn --------------- U.S., World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 Name: Josef Pokropski Birth Date: 14 Feb 1896 Birth Place: Mlawa, Poland Residence: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Age: Occupation: Nearest Relative: Mrs. Blanche Pokropski Height/Build: Color of Eyes/Hair: -------------- Baltimore, Passenger Lists, 1820-1948 and 1954-1957 Name: Antoni Pokropski Arrival Date: May 1906 Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886 Gender: Male Race: Polish Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany Ship Name: Main Port of Arrival: Baltimore, Maryland Friend's Name: Stanish Remiak Last Residence: Russia (Mlawa) Page: 300 ------------------- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Death Certificates Index, 1803-1915 Name: Whadyslaw Pokropski Birth Date: 1909 Birth Place: Phila Death Date: 20 Aug 1910 Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Age at Death: 1 year 8 months 1 day Burial Date: 23 Aug 1910 Gender: Male Race: White Marital Status: Single Father: Anthony Father's Birth Place: Poland Mother: Wladslawa Yasinski Mother's Birth Place: Poland FHL Film Number: 1405381 ----- Original Message ----- From: "sunny" <sunny3141@comcast.net> To: <POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: [POLAND] Research > Hello, I am researching family history. Josef Pokropski, emigrated 1907 > from Mlawa, Poland to the United States, Philadelphia. He was married to: > Maryann Szczepkowska. Having difficulty in tracing total family history. > Josef's father was Simon Pokropski. Believe he died in Poland. Thank you > for your help. > Sunny (Pokropski) Cohen. 10/31/2012 > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? 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Sunny, Josef & Marianna married 1916 in Philadelphia. Have you obtained this? RP Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Marriage Index, 1885-1951 about Joseph Pokrupski Name: Joseph Pokrupski Gender: Male Spouse Surname: Chepkowski Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States Marriage Year: 1916 Marriage License Number: 339366 Digital GSU Number: 4141908 ----- Original Message ----- From: "sunny" <sunny3141@comcast.net> To: <POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:34 AM Subject: [POLAND] Research > Hello, I am researching family history. Josef Pokropski, emigrated 1907 > from Mlawa, Poland to the United States, Philadelphia. He was married to: > Maryann Szczepkowska. Having difficulty in tracing total family history. > Josef's father was Simon Pokropski. Believe he died in Poland. Thank you > for your help. > Sunny (Pokropski) Cohen. 10/31/2012 > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sunny, In order to better assist you, I think we need more information on what records you're looking for, and what you've already found .  Did you find your Pokropskis in the census in Philadelphia?  Do you know who their children were?  What religion were they?  Have you found a passenger record for them?  All of those bits of information will help you refine your search.  For example, if you find a ship's manifest with both their names on it, it's a good bet that they got married in Poland rather than the U.S.  If they got married in Philly, there's probably a civil marriage record for them out there somewhere, maybe in the county court building, and probably a religious marriage record for them as well .  Usually it's good to find as much information about your family in America as possible, and then finding them in Mlawa is a lot easier.  Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: "sunny" <sunny3141@comcast.net> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:09:12 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 218 Thank you for responding. I was told that Josef and Maryanne were married in Poland, Mlawa, but I believe that they might have gotten married in the U.S. - Philadelphia, but I cannot find any record here Again, thank you Sunny Cohen ----- Original Message ----- From: poland-roots-request@rootsweb.com To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:00:09 AM Subject: POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 218 If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing list receives it, just send it to: POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. It will then be sent on to everyone on the subscriber list. Please note that the address to post messages to the list is NOT the same as the address to (un)subscribe. Don't forget to edit the subject line to reflect the topic of your reply, and please remember NOT to include the entire digest when clicking reply! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * There are two sending formats of the digest: plain (inline) text and MIME (attached messages). 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Believe he died in Poland. Thank you for your help. Sunny (Pokropski) Cohen. 10/31/2012 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:59:50 -0800 From: the cohens <the.cohens.in.california@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Research To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CABkUD9=dnHCOvZfy860QmmUAjovzxWM4C003xfciokzrScU6WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Were they married in Poland or the USA? And do you know their religion? On 10/31/12, sunny <sunny3141@comcast.net> wrote: >...Josef Pokropski, emigrated 1907 from > Mlawa, Poland to the United States, Philadelphia. He was married to: Maryann > Szczepkowska.... ------------------------------ To contact the POLAND-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Thank you for responding. I was told that Josef and Maryanne were married in Poland, Mlawa, but I believe that they might have gotten married in the U.S. - Philadelphia, but I cannot find any record here Again, thank you Sunny Cohen ----- Original Message ----- From: poland-roots-request@rootsweb.com To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 3:00:09 AM Subject: POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 218 If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing list receives it, just send it to: POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. It will then be sent on to everyone on the subscriber list. Please note that the address to post messages to the list is NOT the same as the address to (un)subscribe. Don't forget to edit the subject line to reflect the topic of your reply, and please remember NOT to include the entire digest when clicking reply! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * There are two sending formats of the digest: plain (inline) text and MIME (attached messages). If you'd like to switch the format of your digest, write POLAND-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com to request your digest format be changed. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * List manager: Marie - poland-roots-admin@rootsweb.com List's archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Today's Topics: 1. Research (sunny) 2. Re: Research (the cohens) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) From: sunny <sunny3141@comcast.net> Subject: [POLAND] Research To: POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2082563721.667028.1351701261423.JavaMail.root@sz0177a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello, I am researching family history. Josef Pokropski, emigrated 1907 from Mlawa, Poland to the United States, Philadelphia. He was married to: Maryann Szczepkowska. Having difficulty in tracing total family history. Josef's father was Simon Pokropski. Believe he died in Poland. Thank you for your help. Sunny (Pokropski) Cohen. 10/31/2012 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:59:50 -0800 From: the cohens <the.cohens.in.california@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Research To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CABkUD9=dnHCOvZfy860QmmUAjovzxWM4C003xfciokzrScU6WA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Were they married in Poland or the USA? And do you know their religion? On 10/31/12, sunny <sunny3141@comcast.net> wrote: >...Josef Pokropski, emigrated 1907 from > Mlawa, Poland to the United States, Philadelphia. He was married to: Maryann > Szczepkowska.... ------------------------------ To contact the POLAND-ROOTS list administrator, send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the POLAND-ROOTS mailing list, send an email to POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of POLAND-ROOTS Digest, Vol 7, Issue 218 ********************************************

--- On Thu, 11/1/12, sunny <sunny3141@comcast.net> wrote: > Thank you for responding. I was told > that Josef and Maryanne were married in Poland, Mlawa, but I > believe that they might have gotten married in the U.S. - > Philadelphia, but I cannot find any record here Sunny: Have you found them in the 1910 Census as married? Children's births? I see a Philadelphia Marriage License #339366 in 1916 for a Joseph PokrUpski and a Marianna Chepkowski on Family Search. However, they say their cut-off on film is 1915 and for 1916 you need to write to Philadelphia or get someone to go in and get it for you. PolishDragon@att.net

Hello all! I have finally started getting my Zgierz roots researched. I have learned my great-great-great-grandmother Paulina Kretzer had a brother, Karol Fryderyk Kretzer. He was born June 7, 1843 in the village of Slowik, near Zgierz. Paulina was born in 1835 or 1836 near Zgierz. Her birth record has not been found yet. He and Paulina were children of Josef Kretzer, a clothmaker, and Marianna Hentszel. Josef was born in 1802 or 1803. Marianna was born in 1812 or 1813. A researcher possibly found a brother for Marianna- Henryk Henschel. He was born in Rothenburg, Silesia. He was born in 1815 or 1814 to Gotlieb Henschel and Joanna Krystyna Schermer. Gotlieb was a clothmaker. Henryk married Caroline Wilhelmina Trettin, daughter of Gotlieb Trettin and Elisabeth Grams. I would love to hear from anyone related to the people mentioned above. Thanks! Vera

Hello, I am researching family history. Josef Pokropski, emigrated 1907 from Mlawa, Poland to the United States, Philadelphia. He was married to: Maryann Szczepkowska. Having difficulty in tracing total family history. Josef's father was Simon Pokropski. Believe he died in Poland. Thank you for your help. Sunny (Pokropski) Cohen. 10/31/2012