With a slight mispelling you have a perfectly good Polish first name for a man. Bl~az~ej . The l has a line through it (to make it pronounce close to English "w" ) and the z has a dot (which makes it pronouced the same as "rz" in Polish). I believe the English equivalent name is Blaise. > > Anyway, I have just discovered the names of his parents were Blarzaj Jagla > and Mary Wesel. hmmmm Now I'm thinking that Blarzaj is a name totally > new to > me. Maybe it is German afterall? > Carol Atkinson

Hello again friends. My elusive ggrandfather's spirit has dangled another thread for me to follow. His name was Michael Jagla. His immigration papers said he was from Germany, but even the people whom I know lived in specific villages in Poland were sometimes listed as being from Germany. I guess that depended on the historic period in which they were traveling, and the partitions in play at the time. Anyway, I have just discovered the names of his parents were Blarzaj Jagla and Mary Wesel. hmmmm Now I'm thinking that Blarzaj is a name totally new to me. Maybe it is German afterall? Any thoughts? Also, am interested in learning what port would be most likely to be used for travel to the US from Darmstadt, Germany around 1870. Thank you in advance for your interest. Carol Atkinson ISO Jagla, Mezydlo, Michalski & Zielinski **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

A team of researchers is documenting the Polish Pioneers of Calumet, Michigan. We are looking for families who would like to be included in a forthcoming book. Do you have family stories,photos, parish booklets, or documents to share? Ceil Jensen will met with collection owners to scan or photograph items in the metro Detroit and Houghton Co. Please call or email to arrange an appointment. cjensen@mipolonia.net or 248-841-6747. See what we have so far: http://calumetmi.blogspost.com Can't meet to scan? Contact Ceil for further information on how to scan and send the files via email or the free website http://yousendit.com

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What is your opinion of the lists of passengers arriving in the U.S.. They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History Centers? How accurate are they? Or is it better to check the individual ships with their lists of the passengers that arrived on the ships? I hope you can follow me on this.

Jane, Lubenia in old woj. Rzeszo~w has its own Roman Catholic parish. Gee, you waited all this time for that! Lubenia was in the archdiocese of Przemys~l but now it is in the diocese of Rzeszo~w. It's dekanaty is (still) in Tyczyn. This means that older records for Lubenia can be found in Przemys~l. Check LDS to see if they've filmed any of the records for this parish. Just in case, here's the address: Parafia pw. s~w. Urszuli 36-042 Lubenia 26, Poland Hope that helps. Debbie Jane wrote: > Debbie, > > Thank you. I'll wait for you to get home and look up Lubenia. Those towns certainly sound the same. > > Jane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > >> Jane, >> >> No, Lubienia is in old woj. Kielce. You're looking for Lubenia in old >> woj. Rzeszo~w. >> >> http://mapa.szukacz.pl/?&n=233646&e=709580&z=64m&m=Lubenia&t=&pp=developer >> >> I don't have my resource books with me to find the parish for Lubenia. >> If you can wait until I get home, and then a few days, I'll look it >> up, unless someone else can find it before then. (time table = end of May) >> >> Debbie >> >> Jane wrote: >>> Debbie, >>> >>> I just noticed that you have pictures online for various towns you >>> visited. >>> Posted January. You show a town called Lubienia. Would this be the Lubenia I'm looking for? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >>>> Jane, >>>> >>>> Lubenia is in Rzeszo~w powiat so it would have been in the old woj. of >>>> Rzeszo~w. You'll need to find the parish location for Lubenia though >>>> it's possible the parish was in this village. >>>> >>>> http://mapa.szukacz.pl/?&n=233646&e=709580&z=16m&m=Lubenia&t=&pp=developer >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> Jane wrote: >>>>> Does anyone know if Lubenia is located in Rzeszow? Or if it is, was it always there? This is where my father comes from and I'd like to search records at the local church.

Teresa, I visited the Muzeum Powstania Warszawskiego (Museum of the Warsaw Rising) on Friday, May 9. I have to say that this is a very impressive and excellent museum. In fact I would think that anyone who survived WWII in Poland would probably experience the same feelings all over again if they visited this museum. It was a very emotional experience. Hearing the planes "flying" overhead inside the museum certainly brought some unexpected feelings on my part. Throughout the museum are "handouts" which a person can take home to learn more about the experience. Some of these handouts were in the form of tear-off calendar pages. Unfortunately, these were only in Polish. There were also 7 sheets written in Polish and English which gave overviews. Outside of the museum is the Remembrance Wall which lists the insurgents who died during the war or since the war. It is 156 meters long, 70 names per column, 206 columns = 14,420 names. That's a lot of people to have tracked down. Though the names are in alphabetical order (based on the Swedish system) there are many blank marble columns waiting for more names. Near this wall are several large waterproof books in which one can look for a person's name and then using the code, locate that name on the wall. When the book was "published" it stated that there were 10,000 names on the wall. Considering there are actually 4,000 more I'm not sure if the additional names can be found in the books or not. The museum has a good sized bookstore with a lot of books, mostly in Polish, but with many in English as well. I could not find a book which listed the 14,420 names found on the Remembrance Wall in any language. Throughout the museum were numerous eye witness accounts of what occurred during the fall of 1944. If anyone remembers the auction situation (a great story in itself) which took place last February (I think) regarding the letters and postcards which were mailed during the "rising", the museum did acquire the lot and had already placed them in the museum in a wonderful exhibition area. A great tribute to the boy scouts who acted as postman during this terrible time. None of this helps you or answers your question, Teresa. I thought about you and your parents while I was there. My impression is that you may have been too late (as it were) for the museum. Whether someone intends to seek out those insurgents who are still living, I don't know. Perhaps the museum doesn't have the finances to interview survivors or do the "look-ups". I did notice a reading room on an upper floor of the museum. I didn't go inside but I would guess this is where the museum has archived some of its materials. Often the only way to get things done is to do it yourself. FYI the museum is closed on Tuesdays and is difficult to find. There is no parking lot, parking is on the street. Actually it's half on the side walk and half on the street. Debbie Teresa McNeal wrote: > Thank you, we are actually working on this. My sister and I are currently > recording oral histories or remembrances and transcribing them for him and > my Aunt who is 79. They live a fairly large distance apart, and we actually > got them together in Canada last fall. It is amazing what they can remember > to the last detail, especially when asked a specific question (and kept on > task :-). Most often when they "disagree" on a specific item or detail, > after research we find they are both correct, it was their perspective at > the time. Of four siblings they were the two left together and alone and > depended on each other for survival. > > I guess I was just surprised at the response and the lack of interest. > Teresa > > > On May 8, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Teresa McNeal wrote: >> My sister and I finally talked my 74 yr old father into going back >> to Poland one last time (the 2nd time since he left in 1944, mostly so he could come to terms to what happened. We planned the trip around his older sister's visit to Poland this year. They were both present when Stare Miasto fell in Warsaw.Sept 1, 1944. . . With their permission I wrote to the Uprising Museum to see if there was opportunity of an interview and perhaps a more in depth look at the archives regarding Stare Miasto. I was summarily dismissed and sent to the Red Cross after waiting over two weeks for a response. I did indicate I was interested in any documentation with our name on it, but most of my letter was regarding their story. I was told they wanted to expand the civilian side of the archive later..I do not understand. will this be after their witnesses die, so the story cannot be told in full? Sorry, I am confused >> Teresa McNeal

That's how it's supposed to be done now, with the new directives coming through from Salt Lake after the Jewish groups complained. I believe it's even changed from nearest living relative to 'only your own direct ancestors, meaning parents and grandparents etc but not their siblings or persons related through marriage, because other or future LDS members may be upset to find that someone else has already baptised their direct relations'. This was the reply given to my old FHC director when she questioned the new directives - however, she decided she would continue to send off for baptism whomever she found that she could link to herself, including the families of her children's in-laws, because 'they're my relations'. Hopefully someone higher up the chain prevented her from doing this, as this is the exact thing that the other concerned religious groups are freaked out about. Sadly, it seems that the Vatican will prevent access to their records by the LDS without putting in place an alternative to provide or even protect the records. And as usual, it will be the decendents of the poor who will suffer the most. The illiterate couldn't keep their own records, a mention in a parish register is all that proves that they once existed. So much of the history, life and culture of a people is contained in these records that they really are National Treasures, and they and the information they contain should be treated as such. :( Elyssa Debbie Greenlee wrote: > But that is exactly how it is done in LDS. > > Debbie > > Sharon Baldwin wrote: > > Anne, > > It should not be done without the nearest living relative's consent. > > Sharon > > > > > Anne Keen <akdl25466_2@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > > I'm not especially religious, and know very little about the LDS Church, its > > doctrines and rules, but I cannot see it baptizing people's ancestors on an > > ad hoc basis, as it were.

View Record Preview Name: Josef Toczek Arrival Date: 9 Nov 1909 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Age: 31 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Antwerp, Belgium Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Polish Ship Name: Finland Port of Arrival: New York, New York Nativity: Austria Line: 26 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: T715_1369 Birth Location: Austria Birth Location Other: dunage Page Number: 185 View Original Record Take a look at the picture to see even more. See more Josef Toczek 9 Nov 1909 abt 1878 Antwerp, Belgium Polish Finland View Record Preview Name: Josef Toczek Arrival Date: 3 Mar 1909 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878 Age: 31 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Antwerp, Belgium Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Polish Ship Name: Kroonland Port of Arrival: New York, New York Nativity: Austria Line: 27 Microfilm Serial: T715 Microfilm Roll: T715_1210 Birth Location: Austria Birth Location Other: nordseo Page Number: 58 View Original Record Take a look at the picture to see even more. See more Josef Toczek 3 Mar 1909 abt 1878 Antwerp, Belgium Polish Kroonland On 5/11/08, Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: > Hi, I've been looking for a needle in a hay stack for > weeks..............what is your opinion? Is it possible that Josef could be > called Fred? Josef (Toczek born 1878) came in ? married but don't know > where or when, died in 1916 no information. Found a 1910 Census with Fred > and Mary and kids, then 1920 and 30 with Mary as a widow. Do you think it is > possible that this could be the family I am looking for? Where can I find a > death index for 1916, although I don't know the state. I'm going bug eyed > looking already, only thing to do I guess is keep looking but looking at > last name alternatives. > Any suggestions? > Thanks > Barbara > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I've been looking for a needle in a hay stack for weeks..............what is your opinion? Is it possible that Josef could be called Fred? Josef (Toczek born 1878) came in ? married but don't know where or when, died in 1916 no information. Found a 1910 Census with Fred and Mary and kids, then 1920 and 30 with Mary as a widow. Do you think it is possible that this could be the family I am looking for? Where can I find a death index for 1916, although I don't know the state. I'm going bug eyed looking already, only thing to do I guess is keep looking but looking at last name alternatives. Any suggestions? Thanks Barbara

Well said, Alan. I'm certainly not knowledgeable on the subject of archiving but, for what it's worth, I think that is a wonderful idea. ...........Mike On May 11, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Alan J. Kania wrote: > Since the other topic is closed, I'd like to add an alternative > suggestion. I'm not a decision-maker with any of the genealogy groups, > but I suppose there are those on the list who are. I would like to > encourage them to enter a dialog with any of the following > organizations to come up with a marketing program that can be > presented to Polish churches and civil archives. I strongly believe > they need help in preserving their valuable heritage before those > paper documents are lost forever. > > Some of the societies that work with archivists include: > > 1. The Society of American Archivists (www.archivists.org) > headquartered in Chicago, IL > 2. The Association of Commonwealth Archivists and Records Managers (www.acarm.org > ) > 3. Council of State Archivists (www.statearchivists.org) > 4. Association of Canadian Archivists (http://archivists.ca/home/default.aspx > ) > 5. Association of Librarians & Archivsits at Baptist Institutions (http://alabi.org/default.asp > ) > > I believe someone within these associations for archivists may have > some ideas how the Polish Roman Catholic administration can learn how > to preserve their records without closing access down to legitimate > family historians. I would document the problems people are having and > invite a dialog to find a solution that is agreeable to the Polish > churches and family members who would like access to those records. > Most important -- those papers will not last forever. If the parishes > and/or archives are responsible for preservation of those church > documents, it's important to preserve those records before they become > too fragile for anyone to use -- including those priests responsible > for being the caretakers of those documents. > > - Alan

I just found this link to a site describing cemeteries in the NY - NJ area, and noted that, for at least the Holy Cross Cemetery in North Arlington, NJ, there is a service which will provide a photo of a gravesite for $15 (1st photo, $12 per gravesite after that). Some may find this useful. Click on the 'Services' button for the info. The website is here: http://www.graveinfo.com/NJ/index.html I haven't tried this service myself, so please don't consider this a recommendation, just a suggestion to look into. ...........Mike

Since the other topic is closed, I'd like to add an alternative suggestion. I'm not a decision-maker with any of the genealogy groups, but I suppose there are those on the list who are. I would like to encourage them to enter a dialog with any of the following organizations to come up with a marketing program that can be presented to Polish churches and civil archives. I strongly believe they need help in preserving their valuable heritage before those paper documents are lost forever. Some of the societies that work with archivists include: 1. The Society of American Archivists (www.archivists.org) headquartered in Chicago, IL 2. The Association of Commonwealth Archivists and Records Managers (www.acarm.org ) 3. Council of State Archivists (www.statearchivists.org) 4. Association of Canadian Archivists (http://archivists.ca/home/default.aspx ) 5. Association of Librarians & Archivsits at Baptist Institutions (http://alabi.org/default.asp ) I believe someone within these associations for archivists may have some ideas how the Polish Roman Catholic administration can learn how to preserve their records without closing access down to legitimate family historians. I would document the problems people are having and invite a dialog to find a solution that is agreeable to the Polish churches and family members who would like access to those records. Most important -- those papers will not last forever. If the parishes and/or archives are responsible for preservation of those church documents, it's important to preserve those records before they become too fragile for anyone to use -- including those priests responsible for being the caretakers of those documents. - Alan On May 11, 2008, at 4:10 AM, Elyssa Kowalinski wrote: > > Sadly, it seems that the Vatican will prevent access to their > records by the LDS without putting in place an alternative to > provide or even protect the records. And as usual, it will be the > decendents of the poor who will suffer the most. The illiterate > couldn't keep their own records, a > mention in a parish register is all that proves that they once > existed. So much of the history, life and culture of a people is > contained in these records that they really are National Treasures, > and they and the information they contain should be treated as > such. :( > > Elyssa

Has anyone looked at this site? It's pretty awesome! http://www.polona.pl/dlibra ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~miwayne/marian.htm 3. MARIAN ANTONI MELCHIOR2 LANGIEWICZ (WOJCIECH1) was born August 05, 1827 in Krotoszyn, near Poznan, Prussia, and died May 11, 1887 in Constantinople. He married (1) MARIE BAUER 1866 in Switzerland. He married (2) ZUZANNA BERY 1873. Child of MARIAN LANGIEWICZ and ZUZANNA BERY (note: Bery was an Englishwoman) is: i. TADEUSZ3 LANGIEWICZ, b. 1881; d. 1915 Samantha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Dunn" <caroldunn789@yahoo.com> To: <POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: [POLAND] Suzanne Bery Langiewicz I have been researching Suzanne Bery, the second wife of Marian Langiewicz, leader of the Polish Insurrection of 1863. I have found in the San Francisco Bulletin dated April 26, 1869 a reference to this second wife, Suzanne Bery, who was an Englishwoman. It says: Langiewicz the leader of the Polish insurrection of 1863 has married a wealthy Wallachian Widow worth $500,000. This is the Suzanne I am looking for, any idea how I could find out who her first husband is? Any hints or suggestions appreciated! Thank you. Carol http://mysite.verizon.net/dunn87/haidar.htm Suzanne Bery Langiewicz February 2, 1837-November 24, 1906 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List: I know some have been searching for their Poles in Philadelphia. LDS just put up Philly death certs thru 1915 (actual images) searchable by ANY name on that cert. http://labs.familysearch.org/ PolishDragon@att.net

I have been researching Suzanne Bery, the second wife of Marian Langiewicz, leader of the Polish Insurrection of 1863. I have found in the San Francisco Bulletin dated April 26, 1869 a reference to this second wife, Suzanne Bery, who was an Englishwoman. It says: Langiewicz the leader of the Polish insurrection of 1863 has married a wealthy Wallachian Widow worth $500,000. This is the Suzanne I am looking for, any idea how I could find out who her first husband is? Any hints or suggestions appreciated! Thank you.  Carol http://mysite.verizon.net/dunn87/haidar.htm Suzanne Bery Langiewicz February 2, 1837-November 24, 1906 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Mt. Elliott / Polish Heritage - May 26, 2008 You are cordially invited to attend a Polish Heritage Event on May 26, 2008. We'll began at Mount Elliott Cemetery, Detroit, Michigan with the solemn Firemen's Fund Parade followed by the Memorial Day Mass. We will honor pioneer Pole Piotr Wojtkowiak with the blessing of his new tombstone. There is no charge to attend the cemetery ceremonies. The day will wrap up with a Polish lunch in Hamtramck and a lecture on how to research Polish genealogy featuring the Wojtkowiak line. Online registration allows you to RSVP for the event and pay for the lunch/lecture. Tickets must be paid for in advance. Additional information: http://remembering.eventbrite.com and http://www.mipolonia.net/id84.html Ceil Wendt Jensen Author of Detroit's Mount Elliott Cemetery (Arcadia Publishing, 2006)

Thank you, we are actually working on this. My sister and I are currently recording oral histories or remembrances and transcribing them for him and my Aunt who is 79. They live a fairly large distance apart, and we actually got them together in Canada last fall. It is amazing what they can remember to the last detail, especially when asked a specific question (and kept on task :-). Most often when they "disagree" on a specific item or detail, after research we find they are both correct, it was their perspective at the time. Of four siblings they were the two left together and alone and depended on each other for survival. I guess I was just surprised at the response and the lack of interest. Teresa -----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kuba Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:01 AM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POLAND] Has this happened to anyone else? Your father should write or transcribe his remembrances of the war. That way you will have them and if the museum wants them latter you will have them. Kuba On May 8, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Teresa McNeal wrote: > My sister and I finally talked my 74 yr old father into going back > to Poland > one last time (the 2nd time since he left in 1944), mostly so he > could come > to terms to what happened. We planned the trip around his older > sister's > visit to Poland this year. They were both present when Stare Miasto > fell in > Warsaw.Sept 1, 1944. They saw the atrocities at that time including > execution of their father; my aunt still can describe down to the last > detail the German SS officer who performed the executions. I felt > they had a > story to tell. With their permission I wrote to the Uprising Museum > to see > if there was opportunity of an interview and perhaps a more in > depth look at > the archives regarding Stare Miasto. I was summarily dismissed and > sent to > the Red Cross after waiting over two weeks for a response. I did > indicate I > was interested in any documentation with our name on it, but most > of my > letter was regarding their story. I was told they wanted to expand the > civilian side of the archive later..I do not understand. will this > be after > their witnesses die, so the story cannot be told in full? > > > > Sorry, I am confused > > Teresa McNeal > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots- > admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message jimpres1@mac.com ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Write up the their story! Somewhere you will find a place to archive it. My foster brother is Polish and I did his paternal tree as far back as I could. He was very grateful for it. I made copies for his brother and sisters and a couple for the nieces and nephews who said they wanted a copy. I got lucky that I found records. I wish I could have found stories as to why they came when they did. What hardships they faced, like arriving in this country with $2.60 American. We have found NOTHING on his mothers side. I decided that I would try his wife's side. Her mother is ill and in her 90's. I found about 3 generations that I was sure was their family. There was other names in the right area and time period but I couldn't connect them. I made a list. Grandma said, "That my uncle Frank" The kids said, "Uncle Frank we don't have an Uncle Frank". I think Grandma like the trip down the old memory lane. I documented every one she could remember and added 32 people to the tree. She even remember meeting two of the relatives that were in the Civil War!!! Denise Dogs are not our whole life, But they make our lives whole.