There was a Patrick J. Hayes, Archbishop of New York cir 1921, there was a Sacred Heart of Jesus Church on W. 51st St, listed in the Brooklyn Daily Eagle Almanac (Google Book Search). John from Milw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: "poland-ROOTS" <poland-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:47 AM Subject: [POLAND] 1919 > I'm trying to locate a church named Najslodszego Serca Jezusa . In 1919 it > may have been near Scranton, PA or Yonker's NY. The Archbishop was PJ > Hayes. > > Can anyone offer some ideas? > > Thanks, Bill > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Linda, Marge, Jim, The actual films used by ancestry.com, Ellis Island and LDS are copies of films held by NARA. So, all information is the same. However, the transcriptions for indexing or soundexing are different and that's the problem. Consider this: several years ago I happened to spot a transcription of a passenger's name in the Ellis Island database: Drwngxn, Jranciszeh. Ancestry was a bit better in their transcription: Franciszek Dzwugen. Neither is correct though ancestry did get the given name correct. Back in the 1940s the Passenger Arrival Records were indexed/soundexed (depending on the time period of the manifests) by the WPA. Those certainly are not perfect. The indexes/soundexes have to be viewed at a branch of the NARA. Once the index/soundex card is found then an order is placed for a copy of the manifest itself. Then along came "Ellis Island" (the actual name of the foundation is longer) "who" decided to re-soundex the manifests up to 1924. Why did they re-invent the wheel? The real problem is that untrained people tried to read the names on these manifests. The volunteers were not necessarily (and most likely not) of the same heritage as the people on the manifests. Think how difficult it was for you to figure out your ancestor's correct given or surname and then think what it was like for a non-Pole to try to read a surname like Chrzaszcz! That can't be right! There are too many consonants and certainly too many Z's ! ;) Then along came ancestry.com who also decided the wheel needed to be invented again. Same song, different chorus but this one costs you! LDS did not index/soundex the Passenger Arrival Records. LDS has copies of NARA's indexes/soundexes but not the actual manifests. Hope that answers the questions. NARA or LDS is best, but in reality you can certainly start with Ellis Island and then go to ancestry.com (free at most public libraries). If you can't find your ancestors using Ellis Island or ancestry.com, don't give up. Try the LDS films or visit a branch of NARA. Not every branch of NARA has Passenger Arrival Records BTW. http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/passengers.html http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/nylists1820.html http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlehitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&keyword=passenger+arrival+records&prekeyword=passenger+arrival+records A long time ago before the internet was invented we only had NARA and LDS and we had to go to those places for information. We couldn't even go online for basic info. Debbie Linda Johnson wrote: > What other results can be found by looking at the films as opposed to what > you see on ancestry.com or Ellis Island? Thank you. > Linda Johnson > Marge Clark wrote: Is there a difference between the microfilmed record at an NARA branch, Family History Center or viewing the film on Ancestry.com? Jim wrote: > Good Question! I always thought the films at > Ancestry.com would be the same as NARA or LDS. > Did I assume wrong? > Jim (the one in New York) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] passenger lists > > >> It is always better to view the actual (even microfilmed) records >> yourself. >> >> I'm not sure what you meant "They are in alphabetical order according >> to the year at the History Centers?" >> >> Viewing the appropriate Passenger Arrival Record on microfilm, whether >> at a branch of NARA (National Archives Records Administration) or a >> rented film from LDS at a Family History Center can bring results you >> didn't get using ancestry.com or Ellis Island database. >> >> Debbie >> >> >> bbmay1 wrote: >>> What is your opinion of the lists of passengers arriving in the U.S.. >> They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History >> Centers? How accurate are they? Or is it better to check the individual >> ships with their lists of the passengers that arrived on the ships? I >> hope you can follow me on this. >>

Good Question! I always thought the films at Ancestry.com would be the same as NARA or LDS. Did I assume wrong? Jim (the one in New York) Marge Clark wrote: > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > > >> It is always better to view the actual (even microfilmed) records >> yourself. >> >> I'm not sure what you meant "They are in alphabetical order according >> to the year at the History Centers?" >> >> Viewing the appropriate Passenger Arrival Record on microfilm, whether >> at a branch of NARA (National Archives Records Administration) or a >> rented film from LDS at a Family History Center can bring results you >> didn't get using ancestry.com or Ellis Island database. >> >> Debbie > > > Is there a difference between the microfilmed record at an NARA branch, > Family History Center or viewing the film on Ancestry.com? > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, If you use Stephen Morse's site for searching you can search by the name of the town/city. http://www.stevemorse.org/ Val On 14 May 2008 at 15:21, JAMES TYE <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi there > > As one who has literally examined thousands of passenger lists, it > would be far better to examine the lists themselves. Even though > they qre not in any order, people from the same area (village) > usually traveled together. Be cqreful examining the lists, the > spelllings of last names is notoriously incorrect and surnames are > often misspelled. As are the names of ancestral villages. Often > you will find other people from the same village on the lists. > Please remember to keep these as they may turn out to be cousins of > the passenger. The joys of examining these is beyond belief. The > nearest relative given (after 1907) are usually one of the parents > of the passenger or perhaps amptjer relative. Thus you might find > unplanned info. > > I hope this helps > > Jim Tye > > Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> wrote: > It is always better to view the actual (even microfilmed) records > yourself. > > I'm not sure what you meant "They are in alphabetical order according > to the year at the History Centers?" > > Viewing the appropriate Passenger Arrival Record on microfilm, whether > at a branch of NARA (National Archives Records Administration) or a > rented film from LDS at a Family History Center can bring results you > didn't get using ancestry.com or Ellis Island database. > > Debbie > > > bbmay1 wrote: > > What is your opinion of the lists of passengers arriving in the > > U.S.. > They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History > Centers? How accurate are they? Or is it better to check the > individual ships with their lists of the passengers that arrived on > the ships? I hope you can follow me on this. > ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? > Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, > and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays > pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the > list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the > list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Here is a conversion chart: http://www.usatourist.com/english/tips/Mens-Sizes.html Valerie

Thank you Chris and thank you Ed. I should have thought to try another name on the manifest or try another spelling. I will remember that in the future. Hugs, Barbara

She is listed on Ancestry under name Rosalia Coczek with 4 children. fEd ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Smolinski<mailto:csmolinski@blackcatsystems.com> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] help finding ship manifest on Ancestry I can't find her either on Ancestry, they must have really mangled her entry. Here's a trick I use, search for someone else on the same manifest page. In this case, I searched for Michal Kraus (one name up on the manifest), and found him. That gives you a link to the scanned manifest page on Ancestry. >if this is a repeat message I am sorry, I sent it earlier to the below >address........what's the difference? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barbara" <toomanycrafts@verizon.net<mailto:toomanycrafts@verizon.net>> >To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com<mailto:polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com>> >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:05 PM >Subject: help finding ship manifest on Ancestry > > >> Hi, >> I am not a computer literate person. I found this on Ellis Island, >> it >> has a two page manifest which I do not know how to print so it is big >> enough to read or is in its entirety. I have been able to print documents >> from Ancestry so I >> decided to go there, but, I can not find this information. Why am I >> having trouble? >> Thanks for your help. >> Barbara >> First Name: Rosalia > > Last Name: Toczek >> Ethnicity: Austria - Polish > > Last Place of Residence: Nielepkowce, Austria > > Date of Arrival: Jul 23, 1912 >> Age at Arrival: 35y Gender: F Marital Status: M > > Ship of Travel: Zeeland > > Port of Departure: Antwerp >> Manifest Line Number: 0026 >> >> >> -- --- Chris Smolinski Black Cat Systems http://www.blackcatsystems.com<http://www.blackcatsystems.com/> ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com> ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots<http://archiverrootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots> Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a friend in Poland who asked me to bring over some blue jeans...Sizes waist 95 X length 110 also waist 112 X length 110....anyone know sizes in America/USA...Thanks Philip **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

I can't find her either on Ancestry, they must have really mangled her entry. Here's a trick I use, search for someone else on the same manifest page. In this case, I searched for Michal Kraus (one name up on the manifest), and found him. That gives you a link to the scanned manifest page on Ancestry. >if this is a repeat message I am sorry, I sent it earlier to the below >address........what's the difference? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Barbara" <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> >To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:05 PM >Subject: help finding ship manifest on Ancestry > > >> Hi, >> I am not a computer literate person. I found this on Ellis Island, >> it >> has a two page manifest which I do not know how to print so it is big >> enough to read or is in its entirety. I have been able to print documents >> from Ancestry so I >> decided to go there, but, I can not find this information. Why am I >> having trouble? >> Thanks for your help. >> Barbara >> First Name: Rosalia > > Last Name: Toczek >> Ethnicity: Austria - Polish > > Last Place of Residence: Nielepkowce, Austria > > Date of Arrival: Jul 23, 1912 >> Age at Arrival: 35y Gender: F Marital Status: M > > Ship of Travel: Zeeland > > Port of Departure: Antwerp >> Manifest Line Number: 0026 >> >> >> -- --- Chris Smolinski Black Cat Systems http://www.blackcatsystems.com

MTU Archives Press Announcement For Immediate Release 5/13/08 (343 words) Genealogy Double Header: The Peasant and the Palace: Manor Records in Poland and Early Polish Immigrants in Houghton County Tracing family histories has become wildly popular with the advent of the Internet, but genealogical research encompasses so much more than simply searching for names online. In June, the Michigan Tech Archives hosts two visiting researchers who specialize in tracing Polish relatives on both sides of the Atlantic. They will talk about their experiences and share information about researching ancestors who immigrated to the Copper Country and other regions of the United States from the manors and estates of Poland. Ceil Jensen, of Michigan Polonia, and Brother Joseph Martin, of Lewis University, joint winners of a 2008 MTU Archives Travel Grant Award, will give a genealogy presentation on Tuesday, June 10, at 7 p.m., in Room 139 of Fisher Hall, on the Tech campus. Set against the background of the 18th century Palace of Rogalin, in the city of Poznan, Jensen will explore manorial records and the personal papers of the palace’s nobility and show how to locate and use European genealogical resources. Jensen’s research work focuses on the Kalumet Projecta, which documents the migration patterns of Polish families who came to Calumet during 1870 to 1900. Brother Joseph Martin of Lewis University, Illinois, is an educator, researcher, and contributor to Kalumet Projecta and many other genealogical programs. Martin is currently researching Polish fraternal orders, and also will talk about his work to identify the earliest Polish immigrants to Calumet. Jensen and Martin’s presentation and research visit are supported by an MTU Archives Research Travel Award provided by the Friends of the Van Pelt Library. The MTU Archives, a department of the J. Robert Van Pelt Library, hosts a wide variety of researchers and research topics -- everything from genealogical investigations to book and magazine publications -- engaging students, staff, and faculty, as well as local citizens and other off-campus researchers. The Michigan Tech “Archival Speaker Series,” highlights current research in the Archives’ collections. The presentation is free and open to the public. For further information or directions to the event, contact the MTU Archives at (906) 487-2505 or via e-mail at copper@mtu.edu.

if this is a repeat message I am sorry, I sent it earlier to the below address........what's the difference? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> To: <polandbordersurnames@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: help finding ship manifest on Ancestry > Hi, > I am not a computer literate person. I found this on Ellis Island, > it > has a two page manifest which I do not know how to print so it is big > enough to read or is in its entirety. I have been able to print documents > from Ancestry so I > decided to go there, but, I can not find this information. Why am I > having trouble? > Thanks for your help. > Barbara > First Name: Rosalia > Last Name: Toczek > Ethnicity: Austria - Polish > Last Place of Residence: Nielepkowce, Austria > Date of Arrival: Jul 23, 1912 > Age at Arrival: 35y Gender: F Marital Status: M > Ship of Travel: Zeeland > Port of Departure: Antwerp > Manifest Line Number: 0026 > > >

Saturday, May 17, 2008 is PGSA Genealogy Saturday at the Polish Museum of America library, 984 N. Milwaukee, Chicago. Polish Genealogical Society of America (www.pgsa.org) volunteers will be available to assist you with Polish genealogy research questions from 10am until 1pm. This service is open to the public and is not just for members PGSA members. There is plenty of free parking. You can also enjoy a visit to the Polish Museum of America. I'm just the messenger, so if you have questions, please email them to: PGSAmerica@aol.com.

What other results can be found by looking at the films as opposed to what you see on ancestry.com or Ellis Island? Thank you. Linda Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] passenger lists > It is always better to view the actual (even microfilmed) records > yourself. > > I'm not sure what you meant "They are in alphabetical order according > to the year at the History Centers?" > > Viewing the appropriate Passenger Arrival Record on microfilm, whether > at a branch of NARA (National Archives Records Administration) or a > rented film from LDS at a Family History Center can bring results you > didn't get using ancestry.com or Ellis Island database. > > Debbie > > > bbmay1 wrote: >> What is your opinion of the lists of passengers arriving in the U.S.. > They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History > Centers? How accurate are they? Or is it better to check the individual > ships with their lists of the passengers that arrived on the ships? I > hope you can follow me on this. > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > It is always better to view the actual (even microfilmed) records > yourself. > > I'm not sure what you meant "They are in alphabetical order according > to the year at the History Centers?" > > Viewing the appropriate Passenger Arrival Record on microfilm, whether > at a branch of NARA (National Archives Records Administration) or a > rented film from LDS at a Family History Center can bring results you > didn't get using ancestry.com or Ellis Island database. > > Debbie Is there a difference between the microfilmed record at an NARA branch, Family History Center or viewing the film on Ancestry.com?

It is always better to view the actual (even microfilmed) records yourself. I'm not sure what you meant "They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History Centers?" Viewing the appropriate Passenger Arrival Record on microfilm, whether at a branch of NARA (National Archives Records Administration) or a rented film from LDS at a Family History Center can bring results you didn't get using ancestry.com or Ellis Island database. Debbie bbmay1 wrote: > What is your opinion of the lists of passengers arriving in the U.S.. They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History Centers? How accurate are they? Or is it better to check the individual ships with their lists of the passengers that arrived on the ships? I hope you can follow me on this.

Hi there As one who has literally examined thousands of passenger lists, it would be far better to examine the lists themselves. Even though they qre not in any order, people from the same area (village) usually traveled together. Be cqreful examining the lists, the spelllings of last names is notoriously incorrect and surnames are often misspelled. As are the names of ancestral villages. Often you will find other people from the same village on the lists. Please remember to keep these as they may turn out to be cousins of the passenger. The joys of examining these is beyond belief. The nearest relative given (after 1907) are usually one of the parents of the passenger or perhaps amptjer relative. Thus you might find unplanned info. I hope this helps Jim Tye Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> wrote: It is always better to view the actual (even microfilmed) records yourself. I'm not sure what you meant "They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History Centers?" Viewing the appropriate Passenger Arrival Record on microfilm, whether at a branch of NARA (National Archives Records Administration) or a rented film from LDS at a Family History Center can bring results you didn't get using ancestry.com or Ellis Island database. Debbie bbmay1 wrote: > What is your opinion of the lists of passengers arriving in the U.S.. They are in alphabetical order according to the year at the History Centers? How accurate are they? Or is it better to check the individual ships with their lists of the passengers that arrived on the ships? I hope you can follow me on this. ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Danusia, Thank you! It is good to hear a confirming opinion on the origin of the name. Isn't awful to stand at a cross road with no idea which way to travel. I appreciate the direction you've given me. I will continue to pursue him in Poland. Carol Morris Atkinson ISO, Jagla, Michalski, Mezydlo, Zielinski **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

A team of researchers is documenting the Polish Pioneers of Calumet, Michigan. See what we have so far: http://calumetmi.blogspot.com