While exploring a new bookstore in Denver, I found an interesting book (I have no vested interest in the sale of the book). "They Became Americans: Finding Naturalization Records and Ethnic Origins" by Loretto Dennis Szucs. It's published by Ancestry Publishing (1998) and includes the following chapters; The Naturalization Process in the United Sates How to Find Immigration and Naturalization Information Naturalization Courts and Processes Published Naturalization Records and Indexes Immigration and Naturalization Service Naturalization Records in the National Archives Finding Naturalization Information on the Internet Immigration Chronology The INS form is out of date -- that's now being handled through Homeland Security, but otherwise the information gave me a lot of new information that will be helpful in finishing my research on the immigrants in my family. The book may still be available through www.ancestry.com. ISBN number is 0-916489-71-X and has a retail value of $19.95. -- Alan On May 20, 2008, at 6:41 PM, Anettka@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 5/20/2008 1:17:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > BBMay1 > writes: > > Back then the women > couldn't get their papers, I guess, unless they were married > I don't think that was the case. The situation was that when a man > got his > papers, if he was married, the wife was automatically a citizen, as > were > their children. If a woman married a citizen, she automatically was > one as were > the children; if she was a citizen and married a non citizen, she > lost her > citizenship - don't know about the children. However, a woman could > apply for > citizenship on her own without being married; a child immigrating > without > parents could get their citizenship under special provisions, but > they had to > meet residency requirements for a minor at that time....this was all > pretty much > before abt 1923. Then women had to get citizenship on their own, > regardless > of if they were married or not. But they did not lose citizenship > if they > married a non-citizen. > > Anettka

I felt exactly the same way, but I've changed my point of view from what I considered my own "fox-and-the-grapes" tale. Just because my peasant farming family "couldn't" be nobility - "the grapes were probably sour anyway." In the meantime, I was able to encourage my Polish family (that I met only after a personal visit to my grandmother's home village) to help me fill in the blanks with information about my poor peasant farmers and their more economically successful children and grandchildren of today. Using "Polish Roots" as a guide, I was able to correspond with the gmina in Buczkowice and found more information about my poor peasant farmers going back to the turn of the last century. And then with the assistance of a hired researcher who went back into the 1800 and 1700 parish church records, I found even more information about these so-called poor peasant farmers who acquired large (for that era) tracts of land shortly after the end of serfdom. I also learned there were several KANIA surnames included among those eligible for inclusion as "nobles" -- not in the British sense of the word, but through some act of kindness or good deed to the nobles of that region. The existence of KANIA among several legitimate "coats of arms" combined with the realization that large tracts of land were part of the 1700s family line of my ancestors does not (on its own) mean I can start considering my family legitimately a part of Polish nobility. HOWEVER, it does raise enough curiosity on my part to want to continue digging deeper to see if the Nobel line of KANIA and the Poor Peasant Farmers line of KANIA have any common ancestors. The comment "I've never understood why anyone cares whether their ancestors were noble..." can best be answered (in my case) in one word -- CURIOSITY. From what I understand, in order to qualify for a coat of arms, a rather detailed genealogical record must be submitted. IF there is a common thread between those two lines of KANIAs (the noble crossing with the poor peasant farmers) -- there COULD be a beautiful cache of information that COULD take a branch of my family tree through a rather fascinating forest of information that I would never know because I turned away because the "grapes were probably sour anyways." Isn't that what motivates us researching our family trees to begin with? CURIOSITY. -- Alan On May 20, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Barbara wrote: > Hi Fred, > Thank you for the information, and for your web site, again it was > very > interesting. I read the article and towards the end I read " I've > never > understood why anyone cares whether their ancestors were noble; so > I'm not > going to criticize you." I thought about that for a few seconds but > did a > quick search for my family name, then I thought, I never thought > about this > before so why think of it now , so I quit. I don't need a crest or > coat of > arms to tell me about my family, I'm proud of them, and proud to be > Polish. I have birth and marriage records back to 1760 from their > tiny > village, their deaths records here in the US and tons of information > in > between. They were poor farmers, coal miners and railroad > workers.................if there could be a coat of arms for my > family it > would state "adventurous, loving, brave, and sacrificing", and > believing > that, that's good enough for me. > Now to get it all my findings in order I will be happy. > Thank you again

Dear Bill, on 10 March 10, 1919 Patrick Joseph Hayes was appointed was Archbishop of New York and elevated to Cardinal in 1924. "Najslodszego Serca Jezusa" means Sacred Heart of Jesus. The Polish churches with that name are listed below. Ciao! Guido ---------------------- SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH 22 Stimpson Ave. Castleton-on-Hud., NY SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH Little Falls, NY SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH 1230 Clinton St. Attica, NY 11218 SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH 208 Ann St Medina, NY SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH 15 Summer St. Batavia, NY SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH 229 Willett Ave. Port Chester, NY 10573 Tel: (914)939-1497 SACRED HEART OF JESUS CHURCH Port Henry, NY SACRED HEART BASILICA 927 Park Ave. Syracuse, NY 13204 Tel: (315)422-2343

Certainly true! And those that had a bit of a "shadey past", are very interesting to learn about! Probably it wasn't so pleasant for them, but it is all part of their story and the human condition. Cecelia > > I agree whole-heartedly! > > Of course, there's usually more than one side to > any issue, and I probably should add to my notes. > As I said, I don't quite grasp why anyone would be > obsessed with proving how noble his ancestors > were; I've always thought we should concentrate on > doing something noble ourselves, rather than live > on past glories. > > HOWEVER, for a genealogist, it's good news if you > can link your family tree to nobles. That's > because records on nobles tend to be more > extensive, and tend to go back farther, than those > for peasants. There are exceptions, of course; but > this is often true. So strictly from a practical > research standpoint, there's reason to rejoice if > you find your ancestors were noble. It may mean > greater success in your efforts to trace your > family history. When you look at it from that > point of view, it changes things a little. > > If your ancestors were noble, be proud of them. If > your ancestors weren't noble, be proud of them > anyway. And either way, give THEM reason to be > proud of YOU.... > > Fred Hoffman

I was an art teacher and had found a project one time for students to create their own coat of arms as a design. I guess that anyone could certainly make their own these days, just for a design, or to tell something, through art, about your own family. Most families are probably not going to have a coat of arms, or an official one, that is, for their ancestors. But, if there is one, way back there somewhere, that would be interesting to find. If they were well known, chances are, there is going to be more information to find about them, at least it should be easier to find. That helps the frustration level of trying to find out about ancestors, if nothing else! One thing that I try to find is pictures of homes and businesses to assosciate with each person. Of course, I also try to find pictures of the people, too. I'm trying to find one, now, of the Miles home in Lowndes county, Alabama. I know it is there as another descendant told me that they had seen it, but she died a few years back. A younger cousin went through there as they evacuated to Atlanta during Katrina. He said he stopped at the Post Office and asked, but they didn't know the family. (Of course no one would know them! They left that state just after the Civil War! He didn't know to ask at the Court house, and was only there for an afternoon. But he did find the cemetery where some of the people are buried and sent me pictures of that.) Just last night, I was helping my grandson , who is in 4th grade, do a poster as part of a research project for Social Studies. They were supposed to have done their research questions, previously, then find pictures and make a poster, then do an oral presentation in front of the class. (Of course, he waited until 30 minutes before bedtime to tell me that the poster was due today! He is a perfectionist, and he mulls things over a long time before he ever starts. He wants to have it all worked out in his head before he begins, so I have to discuss, and encourage, and work on something along side him to get him moving. Once he gets into it, the ideas flow!) He had selected George Washington for his subject. As he worked, he told me that one girl in his class said that she was related to Amelia Earhart, so that was her subject. I told him that, since he had selected George Washington, he could add that his 5th great-grandfather was at Valley Forge with George Washington. I don't have any pictures of Lewis Cookson "Old Club Axe" Davis, our ancestor, but I have a picture of his daughter and her husband. I wrote that out and printed the pictures of the couple for him. He didnt' use it, unless he added it at school. He left what I had printed at home when he took his poster this morning. Maybe he will remember and add that in his talk! I do need to organize some of these tidbits about people, somehow. Right now, I'm just writing them on bits of paper, or typing them in manuscript form on the computer, and adding pictures to go with them. I agree that there are many noble occupations that helped us all survive, and should be remembered and recognized. Those of you who have farmers in your family, or are interested in the land, and having to leave it, Google Virginia Vaughan or The Last Year on the Farm. She is a Texas artist who documented her last year on their family farm. They sold it as the city encroached. The exhibit of her paintings is on tour now, and were published in a book. She went back recently and a tv program followed her as she painted one more day on the farm. It's very poignant. Wouldn't it have been wonderful if our ancestors had documented with pictures or art work, what their daily lives were like! My great-grandfather, who was from Posen, was a cobbler. The building where he had his cobbler shop when he first came to Texas in 1867, was recently sold to a potter, and now to a man who makes chandeliers. When the potter was working on the building, they took up part of the wooden floor and, underneath, he said there was lots of leather scraps and leather shoe soles. He couldn't understand why that was under the floor, until I talked to him. How I would love to have even a piece of that leather! The potter has since bought my grandfather's dry goods store building on the corner of that block and has a pottery studio and art gallery (which we think is wonderful since we are a family of artists!) My great-grandfather's father, in Prussia, was a furniture maker. Wish I could find out more about that, and their home. I have so many pictures, with German photographers and place names on them, but I have no idea about who those people are or how they are related. I guess we will never know because they were not labeled, and I am the oldest person left in the family who can possibly identify them. (I have one older aunt left who is in a nursing home, but, after a stroke, there is a disconnect between her brain and her eyes. I'm sure that they all have interesting stories, too. I'm putting memories and art work on my blog, along with some other things too. I think that maybe I should do a separate blog on family history. Just thinking about it. (I'm one of those perfectionists, too!) I don't think that I will live long enough to ever get a book published! 8>) I did write for several newspapers, though. Cecelia in Texas >I agree that it doesn't make a lot of difference. My family on both sides > have been farmers for as far back as I can trace them, which I consider > the > "noble-est" occupation of all. <big grin> > > Gene > > From: "Barbara" > >> Thank you for the information, and for your web site, again it was very >> interesting. I read the article and towards the end I read " I've never >> understood why anyone cares whether their ancestors were noble; so I'm >> not >> going to criticize you." I thought about that for a few seconds but did >> a >> quick search for my family name, then I thought, I never thought about >> this >> before so why think of it now , so I quit. I don't need a crest or coat >> of >> arms to tell me about my family, I'm proud of them, and proud to be >> Polish. I have birth and marriage records back to 1760 from their tiny >> village, their deaths records here in the US and tons of information in >> between. They were poor farmers, coal miners and railroad >> workers.................if there could be a coat of arms for my family it >> would state "adventurous, loving, brave, and sacrificing", and believing >> that, that's good enough for me. >> Now to get it all my findings in order I will be happy. >> >

Hi, In reference to comments I wrote on my Web site, Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: > Thank you for the information, and for your web > site, again it was very > interesting. I read the article and towards the > end I read " I've never > understood why anyone cares whether their > ancestors were noble; so I'm not > going to criticize you." I thought about that > for a few seconds but did a > quick search for my family name, then I thought, > I never thought about this > before so why think of it now , so I quit. I > don't need a crest or coat of > arms to tell me about my family, I'm proud of > them, and proud to be > Polish. I have birth and marriage records back > to 1760 from their tiny > village, their deaths records here in the US and > tons of information in > between. They were poor farmers, coal miners > and railroad > workers.................if there could be a coat > of arms for my family it > would state "adventurous, loving, brave, and > sacrificing", and believing > that, that's good enough for me. I agree whole-heartedly! Of course, there's usually more than one side to any issue, and I probably should add to my notes. As I said, I don't quite grasp why anyone would be obsessed with proving how noble his ancestors were; I've always thought we should concentrate on doing something noble ourselves, rather than live on past glories. HOWEVER, for a genealogist, it's good news if you can link your family tree to nobles. That's because records on nobles tend to be more extensive, and tend to go back farther, than those for peasants. There are exceptions, of course; but this is often true. So strictly from a practical research standpoint, there's reason to rejoice if you find your ancestors were noble. It may mean greater success in your efforts to trace your family history. When you look at it from that point of view, it changes things a little. If your ancestors were noble, be proud of them. If your ancestors weren't noble, be proud of them anyway. And either way, give THEM reason to be proud of YOU.... Fred Hoffman

I agree that it doesn't make a lot of difference. My family on both sides have been farmers for as far back as I can trace them, which I consider the "noble-est" occupation of all. <big grin> Gene Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 emwiese1@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Jelita > Hi Fred, > Thank you for the information, and for your web site, again it was very > interesting. I read the article and towards the end I read " I've never > understood why anyone cares whether their ancestors were noble; so I'm not > going to criticize you." I thought about that for a few seconds but did a > quick search for my family name, then I thought, I never thought about > this > before so why think of it now , so I quit. I don't need a crest or coat > of > arms to tell me about my family, I'm proud of them, and proud to be > Polish. I have birth and marriage records back to 1760 from their tiny > village, their deaths records here in the US and tons of information in > between. They were poor farmers, coal miners and railroad > workers.................if there could be a coat of arms for my family it > would state "adventurous, loving, brave, and sacrificing", and believing > that, that's good enough for me. > Now to get it all my findings in order I will be happy. > Thank you again > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Hoffman" <wmfhoffman@sbcglobal.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:43 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Jelita > > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.21/1456 - Release Date: 5/20/2008 6:45 AM

Hi Fred, Thank you for the information, and for your web site, again it was very interesting. I read the article and towards the end I read " I've never understood why anyone cares whether their ancestors were noble; so I'm not going to criticize you." I thought about that for a few seconds but did a quick search for my family name, then I thought, I never thought about this before so why think of it now , so I quit. I don't need a crest or coat of arms to tell me about my family, I'm proud of them, and proud to be Polish. I have birth and marriage records back to 1760 from their tiny village, their deaths records here in the US and tons of information in between. They were poor farmers, coal miners and railroad workers.................if there could be a coat of arms for my family it would state "adventurous, loving, brave, and sacrificing", and believing that, that's good enough for me. Now to get it all my findings in order I will be happy. Thank you again ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Hoffman" <wmfhoffman@sbcglobal.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Jelita > Hi, > > Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: > >>I love your responses Fred! Always >>knowledgeable, sometimes, to me, >> comical, "given a choice between a war cry and a >> coat of arms proclaiming >> "I'm the guy who fights on even when his bowels >> are hanging out," or "I >> like sausages!", I know which one strikes me as >> more credible ;-)" No smile >> this morning, I actually laughed out loud! > > I have to admit, I chuckled over that one myself. > I wanted to make clear it wasn't meant to be taken > too seriously -- I wasn't scolding anyone, just > making a point that is worth keeping in mind. You > have to remember, these nobles and their coats of > arms were fairly butch. > >> I wonder if my family has a coat of >> arms..............where can I check? > > Well, there is no one central clearinghouse for > this kind of info. Often, though, a Google search > will work if you search for the surname and add > the word "herbu," which is Polish for "of coat of > arms." Searching with "herb" doesn't work so well > because then you get guys with that surname and > the nickname "Herb," for "Herbert." But _herbu_ > tends to give preference to Polish pages that > mention "X herbu Y," family with surname X of coat > of arms Y. So that's one option. > > A search for "Polskie herby," "Polish coats of > arms," also brings up a lot of pages that list > various coats of arms and the families that bore > them. So you can go to those pages and search for > a specific name. > > Please, while you're at it, read my comments under > "Nobility & Coats of Arms" on this page of my Web > site: > > http://www.fredhoff.com/polonicae.htm > > There are words of wisdom there, for those who > have the sense to read and understand them.... > > Good luck! > > Fred Hoffman > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, When my grandmother came over with her sister, mother and brother, her brother never got naturalized before his death in 1892. Back then the women couldn't get their papers, I guess, unless they were married. When my grandmother got married to John Merkl(Merkel) I checked his papers and all they listed was Germany for his birth place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rossa" <and1stp@wi.rr.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Where is this family > Barb, > > Do you have their Naturalization papers? I know Milwaukee County's > Historical Society has those records. > > John from Milw/Wauk > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bbmay1" <bbmay1@newnorth.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 1:53 PM > Subject: [POLAND] Where is this family > > >> How do you find your family on a passenger list when they just aren't >> there. According to all Wisconsin census they arrived in New York in >> 1881. >> My aunt had to fill our a Alien Registration form and she said they >> arrived in New York on Dec.23,1881 on the S.S.St. Olaf. I think the >> ships >> name is wrong but I sure do think the month and year is right. I am >> looking for Bernard Kubacki,Helen, Bertha and their mother Catherine >> Kubacki. I have looked under Kubacka, Kubitzki and I just don't know >> where >> they are. Can anyone help with some suggestions. Thanks in advance. Barb >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >> as >> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >> researching our Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I don't remember if I read this here or on a different list a few years ago. Someone asked their grandfather whether the family had a coat of arms. Grandfather answered- all our coats had arms. I checked out your website, Fred. Bookmarked it future reference. Anne Toledo Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Barb, Do you have their Naturalization papers? I know Milwaukee County's Historical Society has those records. John from Milw/Wauk ----- Original Message ----- From: "bbmay1" <bbmay1@newnorth.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: [POLAND] Where is this family > How do you find your family on a passenger list when they just aren't > there. According to all Wisconsin census they arrived in New York in 1881. > My aunt had to fill our a Alien Registration form and she said they > arrived in New York on Dec.23,1881 on the S.S.St. Olaf. I think the ships > name is wrong but I sure do think the month and year is right. I am > looking for Bernard Kubacki,Helen, Bertha and their mother Catherine > Kubacki. I have looked under Kubacka, Kubitzki and I just don't know where > they are. Can anyone help with some suggestions. Thanks in advance. Barb > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: >I love your responses Fred! Always >knowledgeable, sometimes, to me, > comical, "given a choice between a war cry and a > coat of arms proclaiming > "I'm the guy who fights on even when his bowels > are hanging out," or "I > like sausages!", I know which one strikes me as > more credible ;-)" No smile > this morning, I actually laughed out loud! I have to admit, I chuckled over that one myself. I wanted to make clear it wasn't meant to be taken too seriously -- I wasn't scolding anyone, just making a point that is worth keeping in mind. You have to remember, these nobles and their coats of arms were fairly butch. > I wonder if my family has a coat of > arms..............where can I check? Well, there is no one central clearinghouse for this kind of info. Often, though, a Google search will work if you search for the surname and add the word "herbu," which is Polish for "of coat of arms." Searching with "herb" doesn't work so well because then you get guys with that surname and the nickname "Herb," for "Herbert." But _herbu_ tends to give preference to Polish pages that mention "X herbu Y," family with surname X of coat of arms Y. So that's one option. A search for "Polskie herby," "Polish coats of arms," also brings up a lot of pages that list various coats of arms and the families that bore them. So you can go to those pages and search for a specific name. Please, while you're at it, read my comments under "Nobility & Coats of Arms" on this page of my Web site: http://www.fredhoff.com/polonicae.htm There are words of wisdom there, for those who have the sense to read and understand them.... Good luck! Fred Hoffman

LeAnn, I am assuming that is not my Bernard Kubacki.. Church records have him being born on Aug.19,1863. So I am just thinking between the birth record which would make him 23years old in l888 ( passenger lists shows him being l7) and the immigration year 1888 versus 1881. But I will keep this all in mind.. Thanks Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeAnn Cook" <lady4justice@sbcglobal.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: [POLAND] Search results for Bernard Kubacki > Barb: I found the following listing on Castle Garden for what appears to > be Bernard Kubacki. (www.castlegarden.org) Ellis Island's records start > in 1892 online, but Castle Garden which is in New York and claims to be > America's First Immigration Center has records from 1830 - 1892 online. I > don't know if you searched them or if this Bernard is a member of your > family but in light of the difficulty you were having I thought it would > maybe be a chance to shed some light on your situation. i am going to run > the other names in your email and see if there is/ are any simularities. > Search Results BERNHD. KUBACKI Occupation TAILOR Age 17 > Sex M Literacy U Ship RUGIA Arrived 5 Mar 1888 Origin > GERMANY Port HAMBURG & HAVRE Last Residence Destination 7328 > Plan Unknown Passage Unknown > > bbmay1 <bbmay1@newnorth.net> wrote: > Thanks Le Ann. I would appreciate it. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LeAnn Cook" > To: > > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:30 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Le Ann Cook > > >>I will continue to look as I research items for my family also. If I come >>across anything that I think will be of assistance I will forward it on to >>you. >> >> LeAnn Cook >> >> bbmay1 wrote: >> LeAnn, Yes, that is my family but Helen was first borned in 1874 so I >> think >> the person who took the info in 1900 made a mistake and I am still >> assuming >> that their year of immigration is 1881. Thank you for looking it up for >> me. >> Barb >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LeAnn Cook" >> To: >> >> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Where is this family >> >> >>> Correction: Helen's date of birth should have read 1875 in my previous >>> email instead of 1975 >>> >>> LeAnn Cook wrote: Barb: >>> >>> I found a Katherine Kubacka listed in the 1900 U S Federal Census whose >>> residence was Milawaukee, WI. Immigration year was 1871. She was listed >>> as >>> a widow whose date of birth was Jan 1835 and had the following members >>> in >>> her household: Helen Date of Birth November 1975 and a Argunta April >>> 1870. >>> Both Helen and Argunta are listed as daughters. Immigration is from >>> Germany. >>> >>> Could this be the relative you are looking for? I found Kubacki's listed >>> on Ellis Island searches from Germany but did not find all the names >>> listed only Katherine and usually a Helen. >>> >>> bbmay1 wrote: >>> How do you find your family on a passenger list when they just aren't >>> there. According to all Wisconsin census they arrived in New York in >>> 1881. >>> My aunt had to fill our a Alien Registration form and she said they >>> arrived in New York on Dec.23,1881 on the S.S.St. Olaf. I think the >>> ships >>> name is wrong but I sure do think the month and year is right. I am >>> looking for Bernard Kubacki,Helen, Bertha and their mother Catherine >>> Kubacki. I have looked under Kubacka, Kubitzki and I just don't know >>> where >>> they are. Can anyone help with some suggestions. Thanks in advance. Barb >>> ********************************* >>> Need to contact the list manager? 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I love your responses Fred! Always knowledgeable, sometimes, to me, comical, "given a choice between a war cry and a coat of arms proclaiming "I'm the guy who fights on even when his bowels are hanging out," or "I like sausages!", I know which one strikes me as more credible ;-)" No smile this morning, I actually laughed out loud! I wonder if my family has a coat of arms..............where can I check? Barbara

Hi, Annetka <Anettka@aol.com> responded to my comment on the meaning of the name of the Jelita coat of arms: > Maybe so, Fred, but Jelita is what Czech call > the sausage AKA Kiska in > Polish.... Maybe the guy just like sausages, > liked them alot... the intestines, > once well cleaned, are what is used as the > casing for sausages, even now....or > maybe he made them and was well know for them > and king like them too, so gave > him a coat of arms for it, or maybe he just had > them served to everyone who > came to his table...no telling where coat of > arms comes from.... Very true, intestines were and are commonly used as the casing of sausages, and that explains why in some languages the word for "gut, intestine" can be the source of a term for sausages. But I cited the armorial entry that purports to explain the origin of Jelita as a clan name and name for the coat of arms: http://www.polishroots.org/herbarz/jelita.htm Nothing about sausages here; the name definitely was understood to mean "guts, intestines." Note also that the actual coat of arms displays three lances, supposedly the ones with which the noble, Floryan Szaryusz, was wounded. The story tells of him actually pushing his guts back inside his body. And as we often see in these old stories, when the king remarked on his suffering, the stoic Floryan downplays his suffering, claiming that the pain his wounds caused him was nothing compared to the grief his neighbor was giving him. We run into this sort of thing all the time in ancient stories. An interesting cultural parallel can be seen in the Iceland sagas, in which fighters often showed their toughness by making jokes even as they receive their death blow. I can never forget one saga where a fighter is fatally wounded with a spear, and responds by saying, "Oh, I see broad tips are in fashion this year." Anyway, to get back to Jelita, it is certainly true that these stories about the origins of coats of arms were often fanciful, even absurd, and not to be taken seriously. But they tell us how nobles themselves understood the origin of the names, whether accurately or not. In the testosterone-drenched world of ancient nobility, given a choice between a war cry and a coat of arms proclaiming "I'm the guy who fights on even when his bowels are hanging out," or "I like sausages!", I know which one strikes me as more credible ;-) Fred Hoffman

Hi Barb, I once found a difficult Polish name by doing an Ellis Island search on the first name. You need to have patience because you're going to get a big list, but it's doable. If you use Steven Morse search page you can narrow it down by date to get fewer choices to search. Good luck Leslie -----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bbmay1 Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 2:53 PM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [POLAND] Where is this family How do you find your family on a passenger list when they just aren't there. According to all Wisconsin census they arrived in New York in 1881. My aunt had to fill our a Alien Registration form and she said they arrived in New York on Dec.23,1881 on the S.S.St. Olaf. I think the ships name is wrong but I sure do think the month and year is right. I am looking for Bernard Kubacki,Helen, Bertha and their mother Catherine Kubacki. I have looked under Kubacka, Kubitzki and I just don't know where they are. Can anyone help with some suggestions. Thanks in advance. Barb ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd go with Seidelbach. That surname shows up in lists for Przemysl and Grodek, not too far from Trzebos: http://www.jewishgen.org/Jri-pl/psa/przemyslsurn.htm http://www.jewishgen.org/jri-pl/psa/grodek_surn.htm Joe > Hello Listers, > > I am new to this list and was hoping someone might be able to help > me. My father's family came from an area in Galicia in which the > villages were Sokolow and Trzebos in the Rzeszow district. He talks > in a taped interview about his mother's name being (this is phonetic) > Tseidalbach and from Trzebos. I have had a researcher working with > me in the past who could find nothing in the records of anyone with a > name like that. Her husband was found (Isak Bier--they were all > Jews)--but nothing for Gitla/Gittel/Geitalah). Does anyone have a > clue as to what her maiden name might have been? > > I am making my first (and probably ONLY) trip to Poland to do some > searching in July and it would be helpful knowing a bit more than I > do. That is my main goal--find out something about her and her family. > > Thanks for any help. > > Mary > > > Mary Bier Wilson > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://www.raogk.org/ > Indian River County, FL > >

In a message dated 5/18/2008 11:01:41 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, Fred writes: The name Jelita, incidentally, means "guts, intestines." Maybe so, Fred, but Jelita is what Czech call the sausage AKA Kiska in Polish.... Maybe the guy just like sausages, liked them alot... the intestines, once well cleaned, are what is used as the casing for sausages, even now....or maybe he made them and was well know for them and king like them too, so gave him a coat of arms for it, or maybe he just had them served to everyone who came to his table...no telling where coat of arms comes from.... Anettka **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Le Ann, Just so you know my family lived on Mitchel street that might mean a different newspaper. Thanks for taking interest. Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeAnn Cook" <lady4justice@sbcglobal.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Le Ann Cook >I will continue to look as I research items for my family also. If I come >across anything that I think will be of assistance I will forward it on to >you. > > LeAnn Cook > > bbmay1 <bbmay1@newnorth.net> wrote: > LeAnn, Yes, that is my family but Helen was first borned in 1874 so I > think > the person who took the info in 1900 made a mistake and I am still > assuming > that their year of immigration is 1881. Thank you for looking it up for > me. > Barb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LeAnn Cook" > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Where is this family > > >> Correction: Helen's date of birth should have read 1875 in my previous >> email instead of 1975 >> >> LeAnn Cook wrote: Barb: >> >> I found a Katherine Kubacka listed in the 1900 U S Federal Census whose >> residence was Milawaukee, WI. Immigration year was 1871. She was listed >> as >> a widow whose date of birth was Jan 1835 and had the following members in >> her household: Helen Date of Birth November 1975 and a Argunta April >> 1870. >> Both Helen and Argunta are listed as daughters. Immigration is from >> Germany. >> >> Could this be the relative you are looking for? I found Kubacki's listed >> on Ellis Island searches from Germany but did not find all the names >> listed only Katherine and usually a Helen. >> >> bbmay1 wrote: >> How do you find your family on a passenger list when they just aren't >> there. According to all Wisconsin census they arrived in New York in >> 1881. >> My aunt had to fill our a Alien Registration form and she said they >> arrived in New York on Dec.23,1881 on the S.S.St. Olaf. I think the ships >> name is wrong but I sure do think the month and year is right. I am >> looking for Bernard Kubacki,Helen, Bertha and their mother Catherine >> Kubacki. I have looked under Kubacka, Kubitzki and I just don't know >> where >> they are. Can anyone help with some suggestions. Thanks in advance. Barb >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >> as >> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >> researching our Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. >> Mahatama Gandhi >> >> LeAnn >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? 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Barb: I found the following listing on Castle Garden for what appears to be Bernard Kubacki. (www.castlegarden.org) Ellis Island's records start in 1892 online, but Castle Garden which is in New York and claims to be America's First Immigration Center has records from 1830 - 1892 online. I don't know if you searched them or if this Bernard is a member of your family but in light of the difficulty you were having I thought it would maybe be a chance to shed some light on your situation. i am going to run the other names in your email and see if there is/ are any simularities. Search Results BERNHD. KUBACKI Occupation TAILOR Age 17 Sex M Literacy U Ship RUGIA Arrived 5 Mar 1888 Origin GERMANY Port HAMBURG & HAVRE Last Residence Destination 7328 Plan Unknown Passage Unknown bbmay1 <bbmay1@newnorth.net> wrote: Thanks Le Ann. I would appreciate it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "LeAnn Cook" To: Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Le Ann Cook >I will continue to look as I research items for my family also. If I come >across anything that I think will be of assistance I will forward it on to >you. > > LeAnn Cook > > bbmay1 wrote: > LeAnn, Yes, that is my family but Helen was first borned in 1874 so I > think > the person who took the info in 1900 made a mistake and I am still > assuming > that their year of immigration is 1881. Thank you for looking it up for > me. > Barb > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LeAnn Cook" > To: > > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2008 9:10 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Where is this family > > >> Correction: Helen's date of birth should have read 1875 in my previous >> email instead of 1975 >> >> LeAnn Cook wrote: Barb: >> >> I found a Katherine Kubacka listed in the 1900 U S Federal Census whose >> residence was Milawaukee, WI. Immigration year was 1871. She was listed >> as >> a widow whose date of birth was Jan 1835 and had the following members in >> her household: Helen Date of Birth November 1975 and a Argunta April >> 1870. >> Both Helen and Argunta are listed as daughters. Immigration is from >> Germany. >> >> Could this be the relative you are looking for? I found Kubacki's listed >> on Ellis Island searches from Germany but did not find all the names >> listed only Katherine and usually a Helen. >> >> bbmay1 wrote: >> How do you find your family on a passenger list when they just aren't >> there. According to all Wisconsin census they arrived in New York in >> 1881. >> My aunt had to fill our a Alien Registration form and she said they >> arrived in New York on Dec.23,1881 on the S.S.St. Olaf. I think the ships >> name is wrong but I sure do think the month and year is right. I am >> looking for Bernard Kubacki,Helen, Bertha and their mother Catherine >> Kubacki. I have looked under Kubacka, Kubitzki and I just don't know >> where >> they are. Can anyone help with some suggestions. Thanks in advance. Barb >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >> as >> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >> researching our Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> The weak can never forgive. 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Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. Mahatama Gandhi LeAnn