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Hi, Mike Stupinski wrote: > Fred, I am very embarrassed to report that I > have been a PGSA member > for years, get Rodziny regularly, and read > Iwona's columns, but > haven't read this issue yet and had no idea this > was her topic. I've > spent several weeks traveling recently, and a > group of periodicals > were put aside for later reading, including > Rodziny. (My timing has > always been terrible!) I thought you were a PGSA member, but I wasn't certain. There was a time I prepared the mailing for each issue of _Rodziny_, and back then I often recognized PGSA members' names when I saw them. But these days our printers in Texas take care of the mailing as well as the printing, so I don't see the membership lists any more. It's a relief not to have to prepare 2,000 pieces of mail; the one drawback is that I no longer have such a good idea who is and is not a current member. It is, of course, essential to drop everything the moment _Rodziny_ arrives in the mail, and to read every word. However, I do recognize that occasionally life makes certain demands that must be met immediately. From time to time, one may find it necessary to give priority to work, or family, and so on. So I'll forgive you this time. I won't send my enforcers, Stas and Jas, after you. Just don't let it happen again. (Advisory for the humor-impaired: that was a joke.) Fred Hoffman www.fredhoff.com

Thank you, Mary. What a great website! I probably shouldn't be asking this, but was Zenon very expensive? Other than the travel arrangements I mean. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mwilson" <mbwilson@jhu.edu> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: [POLAND] Researcher in SE Poland >I have had good luck with this fellow who does research in SE > Poland. You might want to look into having him do research for > you. He escorted a friend around Poland last year to her ancestral > villages and did a lot of research for her and I will be doing the > same with him in July. His name is Zenon. Check out his site: > > http://polishorigins.com/document/home_page > > He is also listed on the PGSA pages: > http://www.pgsa.org/PolRes&Guides.htm bit I believe that to be an > older website. > > I also know of a good one in the Lodz area. > > Good luck in your searches, > Mary > > > > > > >>I am almost certain that the priest won't do any research for you in >>Przemys~l. Now, if you meant would the priest research in his own >>records, that's certainly a possibility and one which needs to be >>explored. It is common for priests to respond to our requests. >>However, they need to be short and to the point; "Just the facts, >>ma'am." Don't send money up front but do ask how you can make a >>donation. Also ask where the records would be if he doesn't have them. >> >>My understanding is that Kasia isn't doing research any longer. She's >>more into being a tour guide but will do research with the people >>she's guiding. >> >>"We" are in dire need of a researcher for southeastern Poland! >> >>Debbie > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I guess having a copier would probably be too expensive for a church in a small town. Possibly they hand-copy (is there such a word?) the record onto a blank form. Do you think they might know English? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Lubenia > Jane, > > I have no way of knowing. Some parishes do have copiers, others don't. > To be safe, ask for a copy of the record. > > Debbie > > Jane wrote: >> That's what I meant, Debbie. To look into his own records. Do you >> suppose >> they have a copier on hand? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 5:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Lubenia >> >> >>> Jane, >>> >>> I don't think it's the bishop. I think it was the priest (now a >>> monsignor) archivist. However, he received an assistant a year or so >>> ago so perhaps things have changed. I would really appreciate hearing >>> how this goes, if you do write to Przemys~l. >>> >>> I am almost certain that the priest won't do any research for you in >>> Przemys~l. Now, if you meant would the priest research in his own >>> records, that's certainly a possibility and one which needs to be >>> explored. It is common for priests to respond to our requests. >>> However, they need to be short and to the point; "Just the facts, >>> ma'am." Don't send money up front but do ask how you can make a >>> donation. Also ask where the records would be if he doesn't have them. >>> >>> My understanding is that Kasia isn't doing research any longer. She's >>> more into being a tour guide but will do research with the people >>> she's guiding. >>> >>> "We" are in dire need of a researcher for southeastern Poland! >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> Jane wrote: >>>> Thanks Debbie, >>>> >>>> I haven't had time to do any research lately because of family >>>> commitments. >>>> That's why the long wait. >>>> >>>> You said the archdiocese is Przemys~l. Isn't that the diocese in which >>>> the >>>> bishop is uncooperative? >>>> >>>> I'm going to Salt Lake City soon, and I know that the LDS has microfilm >>>> for >>>> Lubenia up to about 1850. (I have to check my notes to be certain.) >>>> That >>>> leaves me a gap to fill in of between 1850 until about 1900. I know >>>> my >>>> grandmother's maiden name was Franciszka Skoczylas, but I don't know my >>>> grandfather's first name. Last name was Bieda. >>>> >>>> Do you think the parish priest would do any searching? Certainly I >>>> would >>>> give him a donation. >>>> >>>> Or is there a qualified researcher in that area . I know everybody was >>>> talking about Kasia, but I haven't heard anything about her lately. >>>> >>>> I also wondered if Austria-Hungary ever took up a census. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >>>> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:13 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Lubenia >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jane, >>>>> >>>>> Lubenia in old woj. Rzeszo~w has its own Roman Catholic parish. >>>>> Gee, you waited all this time for that! >>>>> >>>>> Lubenia was in the archdiocese of Przemys~l but now it is in the >>>>> diocese of Rzeszo~w. It's dekanaty is (still) in Tyczyn. This means >>>>> that older records for Lubenia can be found in Przemys~l. >>>>> >>>>> Check LDS to see if they've filmed any of the records for this parish. >>>>> >>>>> Just in case, here's the address: >>>>> >>>>> Parafia pw. s~w. Urszuli >>>>> 36-042 Lubenia 26, >>>>> Poland >>>>> >>>>> Hope that helps. >>>>> >>>>> Debbie >>> ********************************* >>> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >>> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ---------------------------------- >>> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >>> as >>> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >>> researching our Polish roots. >>> ---------------------------------- >>> Browse the list's archives here: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >>> Search the list's archives here: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? 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Fred, I am very embarrassed to report that I have been a PGSA member for years, get Rodziny regularly, and read Iwona's columns, but haven't read this issue yet and had no idea this was her topic. I've spent several weeks traveling recently, and a group of periodicals were put aside for later reading, including Rodziny. (My timing has always been terrible!) Thank you for pointing this article out, and thanks to all for the help on this issue! ......Mike On May 28, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Fred Hoffman wrote: > > It seems to me Iwona researched this pretty well, > and I think her observations are worth reading. Of > course, if you want to read more, you can always > join PGSA and get _Rodziny_, and Iwona's column, > four times a year. > > (Oops, apparently I just made a shameless plug for > one of the publications I edit. I am a naughty > boy....)

I can only tell you how my relatives came over in the 1880's. The men were miners in Poland. They apparently saved enough for their own fare. In four cases they were still single. When they got here they went to work in the northern PA mines, and little by little sent for wives, families and significant others. My grgrandfather had an inn in Prussian Poland. When the Prussians imposed unreasonable taxes, he sold it for fare to come to PA. He then became a coal miner. CAtherine Havemeier - researching Olszewski, Kolbert, Zielinski in Northumberland County, PA> From: stupnski@tiac.net> To: POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:07:08 -0400> Subject: [POLAND] How Did They Get The Resources?> > My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I > hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can > comment on it. Here's the subject:> > It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided > to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a > small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency > stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your > village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book > passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be > likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)?> > The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based > on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dilemma. > Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach?> > ...........Mike> *********************************> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com> ----------------------------------> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots.> ----------------------------------> Browse the list's archives here:> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots> Search the list's archives here:> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Mike Stupinski asked: > It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern > Poland, you have decided > to go to America to pursue your future. > Unfortunately, you live in a > small village and are poor. How much would it > cost you (US currency > stated at then-year dollars is the preferred > economy) to get from your > village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) > and then to book > passage (assume steerage) to America? By what > means would you be > likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich > uncle is around!)? > > The question seemed almost trivial when he first > asked it but, based > on the current cost of making that trip, it > poses a dilemma. > Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of > reach? Well, it wasn't easy. But when you feel something is a matter of life and death, you find a way. For a lot of people who emigrated, there really was no choice. They could stay put and starve, being ruled by foreign *!#s who never missed a chance to grind them down, or they could risk everything for a chance at a life worth living. As the poet said, "When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose." Iwona Dakiniewicz wrote an article on "The Journey to America" in the Spring 2008 issue of _Rodziny_ (PGSA's Journal), and she talked a little about this. I don't think anyone would mind if I quote a few paragraphs: ========== The first obstacle to overcome was collecting the necessary sum of money: for the trip to the railroad station, then for train tickets, ship tickets, other expenses on the road, and a minimum to help them get off to a start in their new country. The total cost of the trip could range from 150 to over 200 marks or rubles, depending on where the trip began. How difficult it was to save the necessary funds is illustrated by the situation of a typical married couple living in a Prussian village with several children in the 1840s. Both husband and wife, employed in physical labor at the nearby manorial farmstead, could not hope to attain a combined income of more than 40 dollars annually (the equivalent of about 120 marks later). At the most, they could save perhaps 10 dollars a year. At first, several families would contribute to buy a single ticket to America, in the hope that the one chosen to go would quickly find work and repay the loan, thus providing financial assistance to those departing subsequently. As of the years 1888-1889, a ticket from Bremen to New York cost 150-200 rubles, or 120-200 Austrian crowns, and about the same amount in German marks. A trip from Poznan to Chicago cost 30 dollars in American money, by the rate of exchange at the time. The firm Red Star offered a competitive price: 21 dollars for a trip from the Prussian partition to many American ports. The Polish emigrant often had a tragic view of the price of ship tickets, for he was sure that they wanted to cheat him. Although the prices were fixed, he felt he would not waste the money and would be very cautious and frugal with it. ========== It seems to me Iwona researched this pretty well, and I think her observations are worth reading. Of course, if you want to read more, you can always join PGSA and get _Rodziny_, and Iwona's column, four times a year. (Oops, apparently I just made a shameless plug for one of the publications I edit. I am a naughty boy....) Fred Hoffman

Michael, These simple background questions usually end up anything but simple, but usually very interesting. I don't know about America, but those who emigrated to Australia often travelled on assisted fares. This site might give you an idea of the numbers of people and when they were travelling. http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp If you are interested I can try and locate some of the paperwork surrounding our family's emigration to Australia (1883 from memory) which includes advertisements from shipping companies to send you. The Queensland government agent used to go around from village to village signing folk up to these schemes; family members who had not completed military service would often follow later. Many went to friends and family who had already emigrated. I have not quite been brave enough to investigate the (six?) different voyages which involved my direct ancestors. One family (the last to emigrate on the supposed luxury of a streamship - all the others were aboard sailing ships) travelled with a very small baby who I believe howled most of the way and was lucky not to be thrown overboard! Kind regards, Bronwyn Klimach. On 5/28/08, Michael Stupinski <stupnski@tiac.net> wrote: > > My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I > hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can > comment on it. Here's the subject: > > It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided > to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a > small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency > stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your > village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book > passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be > likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)? > > The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based > on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dile mma. > Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach? > > ...........Mike > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To follow up; it was 1913 and it was his cousin in Great Neck, NY that paid the $46.11 fee to an American passage agent and it also included transportation from NYC to Great Neck. I have a copy of the Receipt if anyone would like to e-mail me directly I can send or better yet it is posted on my paternal Grandfather's page on the KASMAUSKAS family tree on www.Ancestry.com . Dom. -----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dominick G Kasmauskas Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:13 AM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POLAND] How Did They Get The Resources? My Lithuanian grandfather; from Tilsit, Kaliningrad to Bremen, Germany by train then by boat to NYC= $46.11 Dom. "Fire Sprinklers Are Green!" Save your building, save our environment. -----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C Barnes Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:32 AM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POLAND] How Did They Get The Resources? I know how my Grandmothers came over. One her father sent her the money. She arrived in February and he married her off in April. The second Grandmother apparently was not being treated well in her home so her Aunt took one of her cows and sold it, gave her the money and sent her off to America as a Servant girl. They found the ways Michael Stupinski <stupnski@tiac.net> wrote: My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can comment on it. Here's the subject: It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)? The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dilemma. Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach? ...........Mike ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a book on Ellis Island, I read that it was not legal for businesses to finance transport for potential workers. It was considered a form of slavery. That is why they asked where the traveler got his fare. I'm sure this practice went on for a while before this was decided. Irene ----- Original Message ----- From: singmore<mailto:singmore@gmail.com> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com<mailto:poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] How Did They Get The Resources? In many towns in Galicia, there were the scouting offices which paid all the expenses in lieu of the future earnings. Those offices were also acting as the employment agencies - recruiting would be immigrants for the factories, mines or household work in the new world. So those who did not have the family to send them the money or could not finance the passage themselves would use the agency. Sometimes, it took years before they paid off their debt. Those agencies advertised their services in the local newspapers. ella ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com> ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots<http://archiverrootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots> Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Lithuanian grandfather; from Tilsit, Kaliningrad to Bremen, Germany by train then by boat to NYC= $46.11 Dom. "Fire Sprinklers Are Green!" Save your building, save our environment. -----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of C Barnes Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 9:32 AM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [POLAND] How Did They Get The Resources? I know how my Grandmothers came over. One her father sent her the money. She arrived in February and he married her off in April. The second Grandmother apparently was not being treated well in her home so her Aunt took one of her cows and sold it, gave her the money and sent her off to America as a Servant girl. They found the ways Michael Stupinski <stupnski@tiac.net> wrote: My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can comment on it. Here's the subject: It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)? The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dilemma. Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach? ...........Mike ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It has been quite interesting reading the post about how our forefathers manageed to get the money for train fair and passage to the United States. I especially was interested in the person that said that it was not legal for business to give the money to prospective employees. I live in mexico and every once in a while you run into a US company recruiting here. Althoug it is not done very openly. I wonder if it still is not legal??? Richard

In many towns in Galicia, there were the scouting offices which paid all the expenses in lieu of the future earnings. Those offices were also acting as the employment agencies - recruiting would be immigrants for the factories, mines or household work in the new world. So those who did not have the family to send them the money or could not finance the passage themselves would use the agency. Sometimes, it took years before they paid off their debt. Those agencies advertised their services in the local newspapers. ella

I know how my Grandmothers came over. One her father sent her the money. She arrived in February and he married her off in April. The second Grandmother apparently was not being treated well in her home so her Aunt took one of her cows and sold it, gave her the money and sent her off to America as a Servant girl. They found the ways Michael Stupinski <stupnski@tiac.net> wrote: My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can comment on it. Here's the subject: It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)? The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dilemma. Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach? ...........Mike ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can comment on it. Here's the subject: It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)? The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dilemma. Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach? ...........Mike

Mike, Margaret Jenkins posted something that might give a little insight though her info is from 1904. Margaret posted this to Poland Roots in 2004. "There have been discussions on this list in the past regarding how and where our immigrant ancestors would have purchased their passage to the U. S. An article in today's edition (July 9) of the Meriden, Connecticut RECORD-JOURNAL provides some information that may be of interest. Each Friday edition of the RECORD-JOURNAL presents "This week in history" - snippets of news from 125, 100, 75, 50, 25 and 10 years ago. Today's edition includes this item from July 12, 1904: "Police Court Interpreter Abram Harris, who in conjunction with his wife, runs an employment bureau in Meriden said to-day that he had placed more Polish girls in positions as servants this year than ever before. The demand is more than equal to the supply at present but it is predicted that such will not be the case as soon as the girls from European countries who are taking advantage of the low steamship rates arrive in Meriden. At one time they were desirous of getting into the factories but now the inclination seems to be to work as servants. Mr. Harris believes that the girls fear getting injured in the shops and besides enjoy housework." The following ad was run at the same time by Squire Steamship Ticket Agency, 37 Colony St [Meriden, Connecticut]: "With Steerage Rates Cut So Low People who desire to go to Europe or have their friends come here can do so now with a great saving. We are selling lots of tickets. Don't you want some now? "MORE REDUCED RATES are now made on outward bound tickets to interest the traveler. Some prices as samples: To London, Liverpool and Glasgow....................$15.00 To Hamburg, Antwerp, Rotterdam and Bremen...$17.00 To Naples.......................................................$20.00 To Oswerczin and Krakau................................$25.00 To Gothenburg.................................................$16.00 Similar reductions are made on westbound or prepaid tickets. Buy 'em here and now." Today's article notes: "For comparison, the 1904 cost of a man's winter coat was between $7 and $10, for a pair of boy's shoes about $2, and for a pound of Swiss cheese, $0.27. Another comparison based on the Consumer Price Index (which did not exist in 1904) is that $25 then is equal to between $438 and $514 now." Margaret J," Debbie Michael Stupinski wrote: > My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I > hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can > comment on it. Here's the subject: > > It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided > to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a > small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency > stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your > village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book > passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be > likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)? > > The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based > on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dilemma. > Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach? > > ...........Mike >

Family members in America have sent funds back home to cover the fees. If you can't get rid of the skelton in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance. -George Bernard Shaw> From: stupnski@tiac.net> To: POLAND-ROOTS@rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:07:08 -0400> Subject: [POLAND] How Did They Get The Resources?> > My brother and I exchanged emails the past two days on a subject I > hadn't considered until he asked about it. Maybe someone here can > comment on it. Here's the subject:> > It is 1882 and, as a resident of Southeastern Poland, you have decided > to go to America to pursue your future. Unfortunately, you live in a > small village and are poor. How much would it cost you (US currency > stated at then-year dollars is the preferred economy) to get from your > village to a seaport (by train, I would presume) and then to book > passage (assume steerage) to America? By what means would you be > likely to accumulate the money (assuming no rich uncle is around!)?> > The question seemed almost trivial when he first asked it but, based > on the current cost of making that trip, it poses a dilemma. > Wouldn't the cost to a peasant have been out of reach?> > ...........Mike> *********************************> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com> ----------------------------------> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots.> ----------------------------------> Browse the list's archives here:> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots> Search the list's archives here:> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mwilson" <mbwilson@jhu.edu> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 6:29 PM Subject: [POLAND] Researcher in SE Poland >I have had good luck with this fellow who does research in SE > Poland. You might want to look into having him do research for > you. He escorted a friend around Poland last year to her ancestral > villages and did a lot of research for her and I will be doing the > same with him in July. His name is Zenon. Check out his site: > > http://polishorigins.com/document/home_page > > He is also listed on the PGSA pages: > http://www.pgsa.org/PolRes&Guides.htm bit I believe that to be an > older website. > > I also know of a good one in the Lodz area. > > Good luck in your searches, > Mary > > > > > > >>I am almost certain that the priest won't do any research for you in >>Przemys~l. Now, if you meant would the priest research in his own >>records, that's certainly a possibility and one which needs to be >>explored. It is common for priests to respond to our requests. >>However, they need to be short and to the point; "Just the facts, >>ma'am." Don't send money up front but do ask how you can make a >>donation. Also ask where the records would be if he doesn't have them. >> >>My understanding is that Kasia isn't doing research any longer. She's >>more into being a tour guide but will do research with the people >>she's guiding. >> >>"We" are in dire need of a researcher for southeastern Poland! >> >>Debbie > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Marie, I have posted in New York county and received the e-mail addresses and phone numbers for three Catholic churches in the Bronx. I have never requested information from a church. Are they used to dealing with these kind of requests.? I am sure it might vary from church to church. I struck out on a birth certification for my grandfather from the county and ended up $15 poorer (worth the try, but disappointing). Someone helped me find a certificate for his younger brother. That is where I found Antonia's maiden name. What I have seen with my other ancestors is that the name is spread from one location to different parts of the US. I have a feeling that all the Bieniewicz' from the Bronx were related back in Poland. I am trying to find a common relative with them also. Bieniewicz is frequently transcribed so poorly. When I get the copies of the documents I see the accepted spelling clearly. Do they ever take additional information from relatives so future researches have it easier? Thanks for your help. Each e-mail helps me chunk away at my brick wall. Great e-mail distribution. Bonnie -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: MJDallas <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> > bonnie.mcneill@comcast.net wrote: > > > Can someone suggest where to look in Poland for the ancestors > > of these people? Lewandowski seems like a very popular name. > > Bonnie, > > Yes, Lewandowski is a very popular name. In 1990, there were over > 89,000 individuals with that surname, and they lived all over the > country. As for Bieniewicz, that seems much less common, but the > 202 people with that last name were also spread all over Poland. > > As Ella already mentioned, you'll need to find the exact place of > birth for your ancestors before you can begin looking for records in > Poland. Pretty much like every other country, older records are > filed at the state/diocesan level and "newer" records (under 100 > years old) are held at the local level (parish/civil office). So, > if you don't know where they were from, you won't know where to > begin looking. > > If they were Christian, I'd recommend obtaining copies or > transcripts of baptismal records (not certificates but info from the > actual entry in the church books) for *all* of their children born > in the USA. Sometimes, depending upon how thorough the priest > wanted to be, the exact places of birth of the parents were recorded > in the entry. Other times, it may just give just the country or the > region or the name of the parish town. However, when all you have > to go on is "Russian-Poland" *anything* more specific is a big help. > > Also, look for the church record of their marriage. Civil records > were often less detailed than church records. You may also find > their places of birth in the church records, as well as the names of > their parents. Again, you don't want a certificate - you want a > copy or transcript of the actual entry in the books. Certificates > issued to verify baptism or marriage don't usually contain *all* of > the info found in the record. > > -Marie > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long > as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our > Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I have had good luck with this fellow who does research in SE Poland. You might want to look into having him do research for you. He escorted a friend around Poland last year to her ancestral villages and did a lot of research for her and I will be doing the same with him in July. His name is Zenon. Check out his site: http://polishorigins.com/document/home_page He is also listed on the PGSA pages: http://www.pgsa.org/PolRes&Guides.htm bit I believe that to be an older website. I also know of a good one in the Lodz area. Good luck in your searches, Mary >I am almost certain that the priest won't do any research for you in >Przemys~l. Now, if you meant would the priest research in his own >records, that's certainly a possibility and one which needs to be >explored. It is common for priests to respond to our requests. >However, they need to be short and to the point; "Just the facts, >ma'am." Don't send money up front but do ask how you can make a >donation. Also ask where the records would be if he doesn't have them. > >My understanding is that Kasia isn't doing research any longer. She's >more into being a tour guide but will do research with the people >she's guiding. > >"We" are in dire need of a researcher for southeastern Poland! > >Debbie