List: To save steps and utilize resources, two hints: 1) Check out http://www.footnote.com to see what they have digitized. 2) Check Ancestry and Ancestry's Passport Applications. Why? Well, sometimes grandma wanted to go back to the old country and still get back into US, so she applied for a passport (if she was a citizen). The naturalization is attached to the paperwork. ALSO, children born in US taken back to Poland wanted to return to US. They applied to the Embassy in Warsaw for a passport and the paperwork is here in US files. And don't say, that doesn't apply to my family, because you should ALWAYS take the few minutes to check. Grandma may surprise you! BTW, we always talk about US naturalizations, but remember Poles who entered Canada did apply to become Canadian citizens. Check Canadian Archives if you are in Canada. PolishDragon@att.net

thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Holly-Lynne-Marty" <gizmo27@prodigy.net>

sorry to be so stupid, but, I have seen this so much and I don't know what it is or what it means..... ----- Original Message ----- From: <PolishDragon@att.net> To: <Poland-Roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: [POLAND] Naturalization Hints > BTW.....................help!

Hi, Jane <jania1938@wowway.com> wrote: > Plus Fred, I don't have your e-mail address, but > are you the author of the > book on Polish surnames? Yes, that's me, Fred Hoffman, or officially, William F. Hoffman. If you're curious about the books I've written and cowritten, and the publications I edit, you can read all the glorious details here: http://www.fredhoff.com/publications.htm You can usually contact me at wfh@langline.com. Or check this page on my Web site: http://www.fredhoff.com/contact.htm I have several e-mail addresses, and occasionally I experience problems with one or another, due to circumstances beyond my control. I try to make sure the address given on that Web page is always the most reliable one to use at any given moment. I'm really not posting this in an effort to get attention for myself or my Web site. One of the main reasons I set it up was so that people who had questions like yours could find the answers fairly easily. Make sure you've got the right Fred Hoffman, however. When I set up my Web site, I couldn't use www.fredhoffman.com because that domain was already spoken for -- by a physical fitness expert. He may bear the same name as I, but it's hard to imagine two more different people!! Fred Hoffman

BTW - by the way Barbara <toomanycrafts@verizon.net> wrote: sorry to be so stupid, but, I have seen this so much and I don't know what it is or what it means..... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:40 AM Subject: [POLAND] Naturalization Hints > BTW.....................help! ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

State archives have their prices listed on their website and they will give you the estimate before you proceed. Write to them (can be in English) to ask if they have the records from your village. Polish State Archives http://www.archiwa.gov.pl As to the private researcher, I'm of no help here - never used one. But, if I were to look for one, I'd definitely use somebody local (cost of travelling in Poland is extremely $$$). Ella > -----Original Message----- > From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jane > Sent: July-07-08 10:56 PM > To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with Grandmother's Town > > Thank you Ella for the info. > > Which do you think is the better option--state archives or private > researcher? And how trustworthy are the researchers? > >

Many thanks for the wonderful tips and insight into searching the archives at NARA and in the FHC's. Your help in invaluable. The way people extend themselves to folks seeking information from this group never ceases to amaze me. It is lovely to know such kindness and generosity is there for the asking. David, Kim, Julie, Arleen, Bill ,and all those who wrote off list, I hope I get to repay you for your kind interest one day. All provided good ideas for an approach to information to be found at the FHC's and NARA. I had no idea it was not a place I could just stroll into one day and begin pouring over books, a little like my local library. I'm sure you saved me a great deal of time and energy. I'll get busy on the Internet first and make contact before showing up on their doorsteps unannounced. Again, I am thankful for your help. Carol, Atkinson **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Jane, They're two different villages. ;) Dolna means lower and Go~rna means upper. Looking at the map you would think they were named backwards (north/south) but the upper and lower could refer to elevation. Gwoznica Dolna and Gwoznica Go~rna (note spelling correction) are both in gmina Niebylec. Gwoznica Go~rna is a parish and it looks like both villages belong to this parish. If LDS hasn't filmed records for Gwoznica Go~rna parish then you can write to the priest and ask him (short, to the point, in Polish) for the record. Once you see the record you'll probably know in which Gwoznica your grandfather was born. Your grandparents probably did not know each other in Poland. Debbie Jane wrote: > Thanks Debbie. > > What's the difference between Gwoznica Dolna and Gwoznica Gorne? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:25 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with Grandmother's Town > > >> Jane, >> >> Yes. I f you move-in one step (32) the name will appear. >> Rzeszo~w was in Galicia. Wola Rusinowska is located in the old >> wojewo~dztwo Rzeszo~w. On the map click up to 128 and then click once >> on the "south" button. Rzeszo~w should come into view. >> >> Since your grandparents married in the U.S. it wouldn't be unusual for >> them not to have known each other in Poland but they would have >> probably been from the same general area. >> >> On that same map page you can type in Gwoznica in the blank >> "MIEJSCOWOSC/KOD POCZ" and click POKAZ. At 128 m you'll see Rzeszo~w >> along with Gwoznica Dolna and Gwoznica Gorne. >> >> NOw that you know where these places are located I think it's time for >> a visit. >> >> Debbie >> >> Jane wrote: >>> Debbie, >>> >>> I hope I'm not being stupid, but is it the red-circled area on the map? >>> >>> Plus, if this is Galicia, does Rzeszow come into play here? >>> I guess I'm trying to decide how my maternal grandparents fit in. My >>> grandmother came from Wola Rusinowska, my grandfather from what I think >>> is Gwoznica, wherever that is, but they married in the U.S. and later lived >> in Straszydle in Rzeszow. >>> My uncle and my mother were born in the U.S. When my grandfather's >>> mother >>> in Poland became ill, my grandfather sent my grandmother, uncle and >>> mother >>> back to Poland to care for her. I would assume then that this would be >>> in >>> Gwoznice. Again, wherever that is. My great-grandmother died soon after >>> and my great-grandfather remarried. When my grandfather asked my >>> grandmother to come back to the U.S. with my uncle and my mother, she >>> couldn't bear the trip across the ocean again with 2 little children. So >>> my >>> grandfather moved back and they had a farm in Straszydle in Rzeszow. >>> >>> Quite a story! >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >>> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:28 PM >>> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with Grandmother's Town >>> >>> >>>> Jane, >>>> >>>> Here's a link to a map showing the location of Wola Rusinowska. You >>>> can back out to get a better idea of where it's located with regard to >>>> the rest of Poland: >>>> http://mapa.szukacz.pl/?&n=280540&e=701354&z=32m&m=Wola >>>> Rusinowska&t=&pp=developer >>>> >>>> >>>> It's more in the southeast section of Poland, north of Rzeszo~w. >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> Jane wrote: >>>>> Your eyes are better than mine Fred. To me, it's scribbling! I'll see >>>>> what >>>>> I can find out about Wola Rusinowska. Is it in the southwest corner of >>>>> Poland? >>>>> I'm not sure what the boundaries of Galicia are. >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? 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Oops! Sorry list. I just asked Fred if Gwoznica and Wola Rusinowska are close, when Bronwyn already answered that question. I guess my head is getting "addled" with all the new information. Maybe my grandmother and grandfather knew each other in Poland; however, the fact that she came over in 1900 and he came over in 1904, leads me to believe they weren't connected to each other, at least romantically.

I want to thank all of you wonderful people for the help you have given me. You are incredible! Jane

Thank you Fred. Now I'm wondering just where my grandmother came from. Her ship's manifest says Wola Rusinowska, but I managed to get the marriage certificate from New Jersey, and the priest said she came from Gwoznica, which is where my grandfather is from. Are they at all close? Plus Fred, I don't have your e-mail address, but are you the author of the book on Polish surnames? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Hoffman" <wmfhoffman@sbcglobal.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with Grandmother's Town > Hi, > > Jane <jania1938@wowway.com> wrote: > >> If I write to the parish or the diocese, would >> they be willing to search >> records as far back as they can, or would they >> be just be filling out a form >> for a marriage, baptism, etc.? Is there a good >> researcher in the area who >> would be willing to do this? > > There's just no way to know what they will or will > not do. Some priests will search all their books > and present you a complete family tree if you just > donate $20 to their parish. Others won't give you > the time of day even if you drop by their office > and have the Pope with you. (Especially now that > we have a German Pope, not a Polish one.) It just > depends on the individual situation. You can try > and see what happens. That's all I can suggest, > unless you can get in touch with someone else > who's done research in the same area and can tell > you what works and what doesn't. > > There are researchers who help genealogists, but > it seems every time I recommend one, I hear back > "No, he/she is a bum." (Of course, some people > have very unrealistic expectations, and gripe for > no good reason). Those researchers who do > generally get high marks from their customers are > awfully busy. Iwona Dakiniewicz, for instance, is > highly praised by many; but she's also so busy I > really don't know if she can take on new clients. > You can write her at <genealogy@pro.onet.pl> and > ask -- it will do no harm, the worst that can > happen is she'll say no. > > Aleksandra "Alex" Kacprzak also has a good > reputation, but she lives in the Grudziadz area, > and I'm not sure how far she travels when doing > research. You can certainly ask her; the last I > heard, this address is valid <alex@genoroots.com>. > I've met and worked with both Iwona and Alex, and > I can tell you they speak English well enough that > language is not a serious problem. They're both > smart, energetic, and awfully good at coaxing > stubborn people to cooperate. > > I've heard a lot of good things about Michal > Marciniak, as well. I believe you can write him at > <office@polgenresearch.com>. That's the address > given at > http://www.polgenresearch.com/en/index.php., which > I believe is the Web site of his company. I > haven't dealt with Michal personally, but I gather > his English is quite good, and he has plenty of > satisfied clients. > > Generally I advise people to try writing the > parish first. If you get lucky and run into a > cooperative priest, it may save you a lot of > money. If the priest won't help, you might try the > Diocesan Archive. If that doesn't help, talk to > one of these pros. Or if you can afford to spend a > little money and want faster, more accurate > results, try a pro first. Most of what I hear > about these folks is very positive. Put it this > way: if I needed research help, and could afford > professional help, I'd be comfortable working with > any of them. > > Fred Hoffman > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Debbie. What's the difference between Gwoznica Dolna and Gwoznica Gorne? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with Grandmother's Town > Jane, > > Yes. I f you move-in one step (32) the name will appear. > Rzeszo~w was in Galicia. Wola Rusinowska is located in the old > wojewo~dztwo Rzeszo~w. On the map click up to 128 and then click once > on the "south" button. Rzeszo~w should come into view. > > Since your grandparents married in the U.S. it wouldn't be unusual for > them not to have known each other in Poland but they would have > probably been from the same general area. > > On that same map page you can type in Gwoznica in the blank > "MIEJSCOWOSC/KOD POCZ" and click POKAZ. At 128 m you'll see Rzeszo~w > along with Gwoznica Dolna and Gwoznica Gorne. > > NOw that you know where these places are located I think it's time for > a visit. > > Debbie > > Jane wrote: >> Debbie, >> >> I hope I'm not being stupid, but is it the red-circled area on the map? >> >> Plus, if this is Galicia, does Rzeszow come into play here? >> I guess I'm trying to decide how my maternal grandparents fit in. My >> grandmother came from Wola Rusinowska, my grandfather from what I think >> is >> Gwoznica, wherever that is, but they married in the U.S. and later lived > in Straszydle in Rzeszow. >> >> My uncle and my mother were born in the U.S. When my grandfather's >> mother >> in Poland became ill, my grandfather sent my grandmother, uncle and >> mother >> back to Poland to care for her. I would assume then that this would be >> in >> Gwoznice. Again, wherever that is. My great-grandmother died soon after >> and my great-grandfather remarried. When my grandfather asked my >> grandmother to come back to the U.S. with my uncle and my mother, she >> couldn't bear the trip across the ocean again with 2 little children. So >> my >> grandfather moved back and they had a farm in Straszydle in Rzeszow. >> >> Quite a story! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:28 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with Grandmother's Town >> >> >>> Jane, >>> >>> Here's a link to a map showing the location of Wola Rusinowska. You >>> can back out to get a better idea of where it's located with regard to >>> the rest of Poland: >>> http://mapa.szukacz.pl/?&n=280540&e=701354&z=32m&m=Wola >>> Rusinowska&t=&pp=developer >>> >>> >>> It's more in the southeast section of Poland, north of Rzeszo~w. >>> Debbie >>> >>> Jane wrote: >>>> Your eyes are better than mine Fred. To me, it's scribbling! I'll see >>>> what >>>> I can find out about Wola Rusinowska. Is it in the southwest corner of >>>> Poland? >>>> I'm not sure what the boundaries of Galicia are. >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Ella for the info. Which do you think is the better option--state archives or private researcher? And how trustworthy are the researchers? ----- Original Message ----- From: "singmore" <singmore@gmail.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:34 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Help with Grandmother's Town > Re: searching in parish books. The church, as a general rule, does not do > the genealogical searches. They may answer a direct question. You have to > ask specifically giving the correct names and at least a year of the > event. > But, I have to stress the word MAY. It is their good will. Most > parishes/archdioceses will not answer. Last time I was in Poland, I talked > to the local priests and their reasoning for not answering was that with > the > flood of correspondence requesting genealogical info from all over the > world > they simply do not have the time nor the resources unless they spend 24/7 > answering those requests. And how tedious is the searching and deciphering > old church books - we all know very well. > > The only place where they will do the genealogical research - for $$$ (and > lots of it) - are the Polish State Archives. Also, hiring a private > researcher is an answer (also lots of $$$) or going there yourself (even > more $$$). > > Re: Austrio-Hungarian censuses. Yes! They were taken regulary at the > interval of 10 years for every province of the empire incl. Galicia, with > the last one - I believe (but don't quote me on this) done somewhere > between > 1910-1918. Most of them are available only at the Vienna State Archives. > Google is your friend here. > > Ella > Toronto > >> >> If I write to the parish or the diocese, would they be willing to >> search >> records as far back as they can, or would they be just be filling out a >> form >> for a marriage, baptism, etc.? Is there a good researcher in the area >> who >> would be willing to do this? >> >> Also, do you, or anyone else, know if Austria-Hungary ever had a census >> taken? As large as the empire was, and with so many different ethnic >> groups, I would assume this would have been a daunting exercise! >> >> Thank you, and everyone else, for being so helpful!!! >> > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carol, From my own experience just last week I can tell you that NARA in NYC will send you more complete naturalization information than the court in Brooklyn will Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: <dsam52@sampubco.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Visiting NARA vs. LDS Family History Center > Carol, > > There are state and local naturalization records among the NARA > collection. I can attest to this fact because I've researched for my > customers. It is a hit and miss in varying degrees. > > David Samuelsen > http://www.sampubco.com/ > > >> Hi Carol: >> >> NARA holds Federal records only, not State or local records. Each NARA >> branch holds records specific to certain states. So for instance if you >> were hoping to find a bankruptcy case (which is considered a Federal >> matter) that took place in Michigan, you would want to contact or visit >> the NARA in Chicago, which holds some, but not all, bankruptcy cases for >> Michigan. You would not find this same case at the NARA in Kansas City, >> which hold records for its' covered states. >> >> Also, when visiting NARA, it's best to call a few days before you plan >> to show up so they can pull the files that you want to view. It is not >> open shelving. You will be assigned an archivist that will help pull >> records for you during your visit. At least that has been my >> experience. >> >> I only visit NARA when I need something specific. Check out their >> website and see what records are offered at the NARA that you are >> planning to visit. If you plan beforehand, you can make the most of >> your visit and tap into as many applicable records as you have time for! >> >> http://www.archives.gov/ >> I hope this helps. Good luck! >> >> Kim Stankiewicz >> Genealogist for Chicago and Cook County, IL >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of >> DeZiner124@aol.com >> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:18 AM >> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [POLAND] Visiting NARA vs. LDS Family History Center >> >> We have visited a couple of FHC's at LDS sites, and one Family History >> Center in Bowling Green,Ohio at the university. >> >> Some of the results were more than expected, and we went home empty >> handed >> from others. >> >> Now we're wondering if a visit to NARA is the best possible choice? If >> so, >> we could make that trip next. >> >> Also, since NARA stands for National Archives and Records >> Administration, I >> "assume" one location would have the same resources as all others. >> However, >> if that is not the case, perhaps we need to focus on finding a location >> we >> can reach that would be more local to our needs. >> >> It would be great to have the insight of someone who has already spent >> time >> at a NARA site. And when we go, we would be pleased to do look ups for >> >> others as small recompense for the untold assistance we've received >> from member of >> this board. >> >> Carol Atkinson >> >> ISO Michalski, Miezytlo, Zielinski, Jagla >> >> >> >> **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for >> fuel-efficient used cars. >> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? 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Sue, Do you have Jacob's Australian marriage record? Do you have any naturalization papers for him or his parents? I assume you already have Jacob and parents' Passenger Arrival Records into Australia. Although it's possible that the family lived int he city of Pl~ock, it is more likely that they lived in the wojewo~dztwo (province) of Pl~ock in a village. Are you saying that Jacob Audet was Jewish? If so, locating records could be more difficult. There's no telling whether you'll be able to find a birth record for Jacob until you do a little more research. Debbie Susan Hamilton wrote: > Hello List > > I am not sure if I have the correct list but this is my query and any > assistance would be gratefully received. > > I am looking for the Audet family in Plock about 1840. > > The family is Joseph Audet married Yetta Unknown, date and place unknown. > They had a son Jacob D Audet born about 1840 in Plock, Poland. Would there > be a possibility of finding a birth certificate or notice for Jacob? Jacob > arrived in Australia in 1855. He married in Sydney in 1859. > > I know that the Audet name is possibly French and that French Jews fled to > Poland because of French attitudes changing. I would not have any idea where > the Audet's would have been in France prior to Poland. > > I would appreciate any help or suggestions, please. > > Kind Regards > Sue in Queensland, Australia

-------------- Original message from "Barbara" <toomanycrafts@verizon.net>: -------------- > How many other states have online records? Barbara: Some do, some don't, but you must differentiate between indexes, extractions and actual digital images! And then add in those extracted by genealogical/historical societies. When in doubt, check CyndisList. PolishDragon@att.net

Carol, There are state and local naturalization records among the NARA collection. I can attest to this fact because I've researched for my customers. It is a hit and miss in varying degrees. David Samuelsen http://www.sampubco.com/ > Hi Carol: > > NARA holds Federal records only, not State or local records. Each NARA > branch holds records specific to certain states. So for instance if you > were hoping to find a bankruptcy case (which is considered a Federal > matter) that took place in Michigan, you would want to contact or visit > the NARA in Chicago, which holds some, but not all, bankruptcy cases for > Michigan. You would not find this same case at the NARA in Kansas City, > which hold records for its' covered states. > > Also, when visiting NARA, it's best to call a few days before you plan > to show up so they can pull the files that you want to view. It is not > open shelving. You will be assigned an archivist that will help pull > records for you during your visit. At least that has been my > experience. > > I only visit NARA when I need something specific. Check out their > website and see what records are offered at the NARA that you are > planning to visit. If you plan beforehand, you can make the most of > your visit and tap into as many applicable records as you have time for! > > http://www.archives.gov/ > I hope this helps. Good luck! > > Kim Stankiewicz > Genealogist for Chicago and Cook County, IL > > -----Original Message----- > From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > DeZiner124@aol.com > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:18 AM > To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com > Subject: [POLAND] Visiting NARA vs. LDS Family History Center > > We have visited a couple of FHC's at LDS sites, and one Family History > Center in Bowling Green,Ohio at the university. > > Some of the results were more than expected, and we went home empty > handed > from others. > > Now we're wondering if a visit to NARA is the best possible choice? If > so, > we could make that trip next. > > Also, since NARA stands for National Archives and Records > Administration, I > "assume" one location would have the same resources as all others. > However, > if that is not the case, perhaps we need to focus on finding a location > we > can reach that would be more local to our needs. > > It would be great to have the insight of someone who has already spent > time > at a NARA site. And when we go, we would be pleased to do look ups for > > others as small recompense for the untold assistance we've received > from member of > this board. > > Carol Atkinson > > ISO Michalski, Miezytlo, Zielinski, Jagla > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list > as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Carol I think you have some misconceptions and I don't think the folks at the FHC have helped you much. The local FHC is a branch of the greater Family History Library in Salt Lake City. As a branch it might have some local information on permanent loan. But at the same branch you can order any microfilm/microfische that is available at the FHL in Salt Lake. I think you need to search thru the FHL catalog and see just what is available for the areas you have an interest in, here is the link for searching: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp When you find a tape of interest you would then order that tape at the local FHC, you will be noticied when the tape arrives and you have about 4 weeks to view the tape. So there really is no need to go from FHC to FHC. The NARA is another story. As Kim has said they only have Federal information. Most I believe have all the Federal Censuses on microfilm and I would say that is where the common factor stops. Each regional NARA holds records for that area. Each regional might also have microfilms of other info, WWI drafts, Clvil war pension records, ect. If you were looking for a natualization that took place in Federal Court in New York it won't be at the NARA Great Lakes in Chicago. Also if you were looking for a naturalization that took place in a local circiut court you would not find it at the NARA since it was not done in a Federal Court. Look thru the holdings of regional NARA and see what they do have. If you do find something of interest, as Kim has said, you will have to call and make an appointmenat to view the info. Much of the information that holds genealogical info at the NARA might have already been filmed by the LDS and would be avaialbe at the FHC. So there is no need to go to the NARA . Hope I have explained this so you understand. IF not ask. Arleen

We have visited a couple of FHC's at LDS sites, and one Family History Center in Bowling Green,Ohio at the university. Some of the results were more than expected, and we went home empty handed from others. Now we're wondering if a visit to NARA is the best possible choice? If so, we could make that trip next. Also, since NARA stands for National Archives and Records Administration, I "assume" one location would have the same resources as all others. However, if that is not the case, perhaps we need to focus on finding a location we can reach that would be more local to our needs. It would be great to have the insight of someone who has already spent time at a NARA site. And when we go, we would be pleased to do look ups for others as small recompense for the untold assistance we've received from member of this board. Carol Atkinson ISO Michalski, Miezytlo, Zielinski, Jagla **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Hi Carol: NARA holds Federal records only, not State or local records. Each NARA branch holds records specific to certain states. So for instance if you were hoping to find a bankruptcy case (which is considered a Federal matter) that took place in Michigan, you would want to contact or visit the NARA in Chicago, which holds some, but not all, bankruptcy cases for Michigan. You would not find this same case at the NARA in Kansas City, which hold records for its' covered states. Also, when visiting NARA, it's best to call a few days before you plan to show up so they can pull the files that you want to view. It is not open shelving. You will be assigned an archivist that will help pull records for you during your visit. At least that has been my experience. I only visit NARA when I need something specific. Check out their website and see what records are offered at the NARA that you are planning to visit. If you plan beforehand, you can make the most of your visit and tap into as many applicable records as you have time for! http://www.archives.gov/ I hope this helps. Good luck! Kim Stankiewicz Genealogist for Chicago and Cook County, IL -----Original Message----- From: poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:poland-roots-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DeZiner124@aol.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:18 AM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Subject: [POLAND] Visiting NARA vs. LDS Family History Center We have visited a couple of FHC's at LDS sites, and one Family History Center in Bowling Green,Ohio at the university. Some of the results were more than expected, and we went home empty handed from others. Now we're wondering if a visit to NARA is the best possible choice? If so, we could make that trip next. Also, since NARA stands for National Archives and Records Administration, I "assume" one location would have the same resources as all others. However, if that is not the case, perhaps we need to focus on finding a location we can reach that would be more local to our needs. It would be great to have the insight of someone who has already spent time at a NARA site. And when we go, we would be pleased to do look ups for others as small recompense for the untold assistance we've received from member of this board. Carol Atkinson ISO Michalski, Miezytlo, Zielinski, Jagla **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message