Denise: You mention a Polish language article and a website but I do not see any links. What are the links? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Patterson" <jrtowner2008@att.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: [POLAND] Helpful Links > Polish language article > Polish language belongs to the group of Western Slavonic languages and > shares many similarities (such as grammar and vocabulary) with Slovak or > Kashubian. The article tells a brief history about Polish (and alphabet), > its dialects and main differences between it and English grammar. > Polish language article > > Links to Polish language resources > The links offered on the website apply to various Polish language > resources. One may find there Polish online dictionaries as well as > language schools and online courses. > Links to Polish language resources > > Denise > Dogs are not our whole life, > But they make our lives whole. > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Polish language article Polish language belongs to the group of Western Slavonic languages and shares many similarities (such as grammar and vocabulary) with Slovak or Kashubian. The article tells a brief history about Polish (and alphabet), its dialects and main differences between it and English grammar. Polish language article Links to Polish language resources The links offered on the website apply to various Polish language resources. One may find there Polish online dictionaries as well as language schools and online courses. Links to Polish language resources Denise Dogs are not our whole life, But they make our lives whole.

FWIW, my own experience as a casual observer at the local FHC is that many of the church members seem to spend time pulling existing names out of the IGI. There's not a lot of actual research with original sources going on. Which is fine - more time for me on the microfilm reader :-) >Meryl, > >I don't think proxy baptisms, nor the list preparation happens at the >local Family History Centers. > >It's not really a matter of tracking down anyone. As the LDS film >records they pull names and dates (usually poor transcriptions) from >indexes they come across. Those are the names, Jewish, Lutheran, >Catholic, Buddhist and so on, that are used. > >Debbie > >Meryl Rizzotti wrote: >> I believe that the reason that there are Jewish proxy baptisms still >> occurring is that there are a sufficient number of Jewish converts to >> Mormonism that are baptizing their deceased ancestors. I am a volunteer at >> my local family history library. As a Jew, I do find this practice >> disturbing--baptisms of Jews--as most of these people that are being >> baptized were most likely Orthodox Jews in their lifetimes. They would be >> "turning over in their graves" if they knew this was happening. I don't >> think that the Mormon church is tracking down and baptizing deceased Jews. I >> know that at the Family History Center that I work at they have pretty >> stringent requirements when someone wants to arrange for a family member to >> be baptized.Meryl Rizzotti >> -- --- Chris Smolinski Black Cat Systems http://www.blackcatsystems.com

I can't speak for an online list of estate workers. I would think this information, in list form, would be found in a Polish civil archive, IF there is such a thing. Very often baptismal records and marriage records indicate when a peasant worked for the manor (dwo~r). Debbie AnnRosemaryK@aol.com wrote: > I am also wondering if their is such a website of estate workers. If anyone > has any information, please let me know. thanks; Ann >

Meryl, I don't think proxy baptisms, nor the list preparation happens at the local Family History Centers. It's not really a matter of tracking down anyone. As the LDS film records they pull names and dates (usually poor transcriptions) from indexes they come across. Those are the names, Jewish, Lutheran, Catholic, Buddhist and so on, that are used. Debbie Meryl Rizzotti wrote: > I believe that the reason that there are Jewish proxy baptisms still > occurring is that there are a sufficient number of Jewish converts to > Mormonism that are baptizing their deceased ancestors. I am a volunteer at > my local family history library. As a Jew, I do find this practice > disturbing--baptisms of Jews--as most of these people that are being > baptized were most likely Orthodox Jews in their lifetimes. They would be > "turning over in their graves" if they knew this was happening. I don't > think that the Mormon church is tracking down and baptizing deceased Jews. I > know that at the Family History Center that I work at they have pretty > stringent requirements when someone wants to arrange for a family member to > be baptized.Meryl Rizzotti >

Hi listers, I've just returned from Salt Lake City where I tried to research my father's and mother's families. My father came from Lubenia. There were church records from about 1800 to 1850 and I tried to make note of Bieda and Skoczylas families up to that time, 1850 that is. I have a gap from then to about 1900. I'll have to probably use a researcher in Poland or the Polish archives. What is the better choice? You've also given me the names of researchers in the area. How do they charge for their services? I imagine it would be by the hour and with expenses. Can anyone give me a ballpark figure as to what was paid to the researcher? I realize that it will depend on the number of records searched, etc. With the Salt Lake City trip and another small trip, my finances are limited. If you can respond to me privately, my address is jania1938@wowway.com. I also tried to research my maternal grandmother's and grandfather's families in Wola Rusinowska and Gwoznica. I found microfilms for Gwoznica, but they all are records for Greek Catholic churches. This was astounding to me as I couldn't imagine Greek Catholics being in Poland. Does anyone have an explanation of this? Again, I'll probably have to get a researcher for this area, or deal with the churches themselves. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I am also wondering if their is such a website of estate workers. If anyone has any information, please let me know. thanks; Ann **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

I believe that the reason that there are Jewish proxy baptisms still occurring is that there are a sufficient number of Jewish converts to Mormonism that are baptizing their deceased ancestors. I am a volunteer at my local family history library. As a Jew, I do find this practice disturbing--baptisms of Jews--as most of these people that are being baptized were most likely Orthodox Jews in their lifetimes. They would be "turning over in their graves" if they knew this was happening. I don't think that the Mormon church is tracking down and baptizing deceased Jews. I know that at the Family History Center that I work at they have pretty stringent requirements when someone wants to arrange for a family member to be baptized.Meryl Rizzotti

Denise, The name is Piotr, Peter in English. In order for people to help you we really need to know what documents you've already located. Without some dates and a little more information we can't do much. Have you checked census records, immigration records, naturalization records, obituaries, birth/baptismal records and so on? Debbie Denise Romeo wrote: > Hi Debbie > > I really dont have too much information on Piota, I do know they had a > son LUDWIG Stasierowski who married Josefa Switala. They resided in > Buffalo NY after immigrating. I am at a dead end. > Thanks > Denise > Debbie wrote: Denise, Have you located the marriage record for Piotr Stasierowski and Marianna DZIEGELEWSKA? Where were they married? On what records did you find that "other relatives listed as from Torun?" Debbie Denise Romeo wrote: > I am trying to trace the family of the Stasierowski's. Piota Stasierowski is the last know relative i have in my family tree, he was married to Marianna DZIEGELEWSKA, (Lomza Poland). I do not have a birth place for Piota or date. There are other relatives listed as from Torun. Any help would be much appreciated Thanks Denise

Has anyone ever heard of a website listing names of workers on estates during the 19th Century in Poland? I had heard that there is such a site, but have not been able to locate it. Please respond if you know of its URL. Thank you, Ed Miller >

Denise, Have you located the marriage record for Piotr Stasierowski and Marianna DZIEGELEWSKA? Where were they married? On what records did you find that "other relatives listed as from Torun?" Debbie Denise Romeo wrote: > I am trying to trace the family of the Stasierowski's. Piota > Stasierowski is the last know relative i have in my family tree, he was > married to Marianna DZIEGELEWSKA, (Lomza Poland). I do not have a birth > place for Piota or date. There are other relatives listed as from > Torun. Any help would be much appreciated Thanks Denise >

I am trying to trace the family of the Stasierowski's. Piota Stasierowski is the last know relative i have in my family tree, he was married to Marianna DZIEGELEWSKA, (Lomza Poland). I do not have a birth place for Piota or date. There are other relatives listed as from Torun. Any help would be much appreciated Thanks Denise -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://mail.buffalo.com

St. Joseph's Church in Gardner, Massachusetts, which is celebrating its centennial this year, will hold its annual Polish picnic this Sunday, Aug. 10 on the church grounds at 358 Pleasant St.   The event will begin with an 11 a.m. Mass outdoors (weather permitting), followed by  Polish food and various activities/sales tables until 5 p.m. Dennis Polisky & the Maestro’s Men will be the polka band  playing from 1 to 5 p.m.   Barbara Proko and Janice Baniukiewicz Stickles will be on hand to sell signed copies of their Arcadia photo histories, Worcester County's Polish Community (Gardner is one of about 10 communities featured) and The Polish Community of Worcester (which focuses on Polonia in the city of Worcester).   For more info on this thriving, historic Polish parish, see: http://stjosephsofgardner.org/index.shtml   Hope to see you!   Barbara Proko (Worcester, Mass. native)

It's an informal term for someone nosy, originally from Australia and New Zealand. Nothing to do with Poland! Perhaps it's from the old English phrase, to stick your beak in, meaning to be nosy. And usually to stick your beak in was to stick it in where it was not wanted..........into someone else's business! Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandy Meeks" <susiem@cass.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Church records vs. family historians (revisited) "Stickybeaks" . . . interesting term. I've never heard it! Do you know anything of its origin? Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Church records vs. family historians (revisited) I cannot find the entire Vatican directive on the internet; perhaps someone has found it. This is the original story that appeared in Catholic News Service: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Excerpt: "In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records -- such as baptismal documentation -- to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members." http://catholicism.about.com/b/2008/05/06/baptism-of-the-dead-its-not-for-catholics-anymore.htm Excerpt: "The About.com Guide to Genealogy, Kimberly Powell, has news of a very important directive issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Clergy on April 5, 2008. As the Catholic News Service reported, the Congregation for the Clergy has directed all Catholic dioceses "not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah." The reason is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known as the Mormons, engage in a practice of baptizing the dead. Any Mormon in good standing may stand in as a proxy for a dead relative, engaging in baptism on his or her behalf. Mormons believe that such posthumous baptisms allow those who did not have the opportunity to be exposed to the Mormon gospel while alive to accept or reject that gospel." History of the re-baptism issue: http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html Excerpt: May 8, 2008 Reuters Blogs Catholic-Mormon tension over LDS baptism of the dead (excerpts) Posted by: Tom Heneghan The issue of Mormon proxy baptisms has resurfaced with the news that the Vatican has written to Catholic dioceses around the world telling them not to provide parish records to the Genealogical Society of Utah. As the Catholic News Service reported last week, the letter calls proxy baptism using these records “detrimental” and says the Vatican did not want Catholic parishes “to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. Mormons use genealogical data to find names of people to baptise posthumously, a practice the Roman Catholic Church rejects on theological grounds. This is not just an issue for Catholics, Jews asked similar questions in the 1990s, after finding Holocaust victims on the IGI. After strong Jewish protests, the Church agreed in 1995 to stop proxy baptising them, a step that seemed to indicate some recognition of a problem. However, names of Jews have continued to appear over the years, including that of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal in 2006. According to Helen Radkey, a researcher who specialises on the IGI, “In 2008, the Church is still posthumously baptising Jewish Holocaust victims, against the terms of the agreement it signed with Jewish groups on May 3, 1995.” Mary Speculation is often an obstacle to fact finding Elyssa Kowalinski wrote: > I was thinking about this issue the other day, and it occurred to me that > maybe the Roman Catholic Church sees genealogy researchers as stickybeaks, > that we are looking through our ancestry for gossip and scandal when we > should really be minding our own business... > > Elyssa > > > ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? 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If you are ever in Baltimore in early June, check out the Polish festival there. It's in a neighborhood where Mass is still in Polish and you still have the old ladies hanging out on their stoops going on and on in Polish ... we used to live there and it's truely a Polish festival everyday, but the dancing and music during the festival is great and authentic! It's actually true of all of Baltimore's ethnic neighborhoods: Italian, Greek, etc. and there are festivals every weekend in the summer for one neighborhood or the other. I think it is part of what makes Baltimore great. Tiffany On Aug 3, 2008, at 10:19 PM, Frank & Kay Wolniak wrote: > Since we're into Polish Festivals, here's a link to one being held in > the Sacramento, CA area on September 13.. > It'll also give you some info about our club... > Cheers, Frank > http://www.polish-club.org/ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots- > admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

"Stickybeaks" . . . interesting term. I've never heard it! Do you know anything of its origin? Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Church records vs. family historians (revisited) I cannot find the entire Vatican directive on the internet; perhaps someone has found it. This is the original story that appeared in Catholic News Service: http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm Excerpt: "In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records -- such as baptismal documentation -- to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members." http://catholicism.about.com/b/2008/05/06/baptism-of-the-dead-its-not-for-catholics-anymore.htm Excerpt: "The About.com Guide to Genealogy, Kimberly Powell, has news of a very important directive issued by the Vatican Congregation for the Clergy on April 5, 2008. As the Catholic News Service reported, the Congregation for the Clergy has directed all Catholic dioceses "not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah." The reason is that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly known as the Mormons, engage in a practice of baptizing the dead. Any Mormon in good standing may stand in as a proxy for a dead relative, engaging in baptism on his or her behalf. Mormons believe that such posthumous baptisms allow those who did not have the opportunity to be exposed to the Mormon gospel while alive to accept or reject that gospel." History of the re-baptism issue: http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ldsagree.html Excerpt: May 8, 2008 Reuters Blogs Catholic-Mormon tension over LDS baptism of the dead (excerpts) Posted by: Tom Heneghan The issue of Mormon proxy baptisms has resurfaced with the news that the Vatican has written to Catholic dioceses around the world telling them not to provide parish records to the Genealogical Society of Utah. As the Catholic News Service reported last week, the letter calls proxy baptism using these records “detrimental” and says the Vatican did not want Catholic parishes “to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. Mormons use genealogical data to find names of people to baptise posthumously, a practice the Roman Catholic Church rejects on theological grounds. This is not just an issue for Catholics, Jews asked similar questions in the 1990s, after finding Holocaust victims on the IGI. After strong Jewish protests, the Church agreed in 1995 to stop proxy baptising them, a step that seemed to indicate some recognition of a problem. However, names of Jews have continued to appear over the years, including that of Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal in 2006. According to Helen Radkey, a researcher who specialises on the IGI, “In 2008, the Church is still posthumously baptising Jewish Holocaust victims, against the terms of the agreement it signed with Jewish groups on May 3, 1995.” Mary Speculation is often an obstacle to fact finding Elyssa Kowalinski wrote: > I was thinking about this issue the other day, and it occurred to me that > maybe the Roman Catholic Church sees genealogy researchers as stickybeaks, > that we are looking through our ancestry for gossip and scandal when we > should really be minding our own business... > > Elyssa > > > ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

October 4, 2008 is the date for the 4th Annual Plano International Festival in Plano, Texas (home of a great Polish restaurant, "For You.") October 25, 2008 is the date for the first time, World Fest 2008 in Addison, Texas. The Polish American Foundation of Texas will be participating in both festivals. Last year the Foundation's Dance Group Orleta presented Polka and Polonez dances on stage and showcased Polish Costumes, Parade of the Nations, Polish Cultural Booth and Polish Food. One of the great things: it won't be in summer! More information should be available on the PAFT web site at the end of August, 2008. http://www.polamfound.com/ Debbie

Since we're into Polish Festivals, here's a link to one being held in the Sacramento, CA area on September 13.. It'll also give you some info about our club... Cheers, Frank http://www.polish-club.org/

Michael Marvins has responded with information on the collection in the exhibit as follows: "Thanks for your note. Really appreciate you putting the notices out. There are two ways to see many of the exhibit pictures. First, about 100 of them--with captions and two essays--are in the book, LIVES REMEMBERED A Shtetl Through A Photographers Eye. This was published by the Jewish Historical Institute in New York when the exhibit was there several years ago. It is a beautiful book and the reproductions are superb. It is available at the Museum and on Amazon.com. Second, see the announcements section on the homepage of www.szczuczyn.com and click on the various exhibit lines. Then, see the "photos" button on the top of the home page. Click and when the page comes up, click on the various KAPLAN listings. ALSO click on the Yizkor Book pictures which are also listed. All were by my Grandfather." So, if you can't get to New Orleans there are some alternatives. I also noted that at the site of the Holocaust Museum Houston, http://www.hmh.org/ , there is a place to show tour schedule, and after the WWII Museum exhibit the collection is available throughout 2009 for showing in other locations. If you have a suitable museum or other location near you that might be interested in hosting it, the information is on that site. .............Mike

The internet is a wonderful place, is it not? > > ...........Mike Mike, You bet, and to think that I learned to type on a manual machine and snail mail took forever! Who ever would have thought............................... >