-------------- Original message from Csgen50@aol.com: -------------- > A relative of ours left Poland and migrated to England in or about 1915. As > this was during the time of WW1 I would be interested to hear by what route > they might have travelled. Marie would only have been about 17 years of age herself and no other member of her family travelled with her. However, she > might > possibly have travelled with a family with whom she was employed 'in > service' at the time. > > Her name was Marie Pizlock but it possible that her name might have been > anglicized to this version from something sounding rather more Polish. > > In addition I would like to ask how I would go about trying to trace a birth > record for Marie. We believe that she may have originated from Warsaw or > Krakow. Chris: Is she the Marie Pizlock married to Silas Page in 1923? Got her marriage record both civil and church? (oops! just remembered--UK civil IS church.)Warsaw or Krakow is not going to be of any help. You need a narrower focus! Travel? Any way you can imagine. If diplomatic employers, a more direct route and around 1915 might have meant 1914 before the war! Ancestry has UK INCOMING passenger lists online. I don't see her, but she may have been listed as "Lady Gotrock's maid". <g> There are numerous maids, valets, butlers, nannies who will be forever nameless. PolishDragon@att.net

Ruth, Although I guessed the first one, you will likely get better answers if you simply post a readable image of the original headstone. Otherwise we simply guess what you guessed. Not a good way to respond. Roman Ruth wrote: > Hello, > > I also have another picture of a headstone with similar writing, but has > more letters. > > TUSPOCZYWAJAZS?? > > Thanks, > Ruth Pokorny > -------------- > > Hello, > > I am trying to find out what the right spelling and what this word means. It > is a word on a headstone of one of my grandfather's brothers. > > TUSPOOZYWA > TUSPODZYWA > > I'm not sure if the letters T, U, second O or D, and A are right. > > Thanks, > Ruth Pokorny > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Two words: TU SPOCZYWA = Here Rests Roman Ruth wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to find out what the right spelling and what this word means. It > is a word on a headstone of one of my grandfather's brothers. > > TUSPOOZYWA > TUSPODZYWA > > I'm not sure if the letters T, U, second O or D, and A are right. > > Thanks, > Ruth Pokorny >

Hello, I also have another picture of a headstone with similar writing, but has more letters. TUSPOCZYWAJAZS?? Thanks, Ruth Pokorny -------------- Hello, I am trying to find out what the right spelling and what this word means. It is a word on a headstone of one of my grandfather's brothers. TUSPOOZYWA TUSPODZYWA I'm not sure if the letters T, U, second O or D, and A are right. Thanks, Ruth Pokorny

Hello, I am trying to find out what the right spelling and what this word means. It is a word on a headstone of one of my grandfather's brothers. TUSPOOZYWA TUSPODZYWA I'm not sure if the letters T, U, second O or D, and A are right. Thanks, Ruth Pokorny

Hello, A relative of ours left Poland and migrated to England in or about 1915. As this was during the time of WW1 I would be interested to hear by what route they might have travelled. Marie would only have been about 17 years of age herself and no other member of her family travelled with her. However, she might possibly have travelled with a family with whom she was employed 'in service' at the time. Her name was Marie Pizlock but it possible that her name might have been anglicized to this version from something sounding rather more Polish. In addition I would like to ask how I would go about trying to trace a birth record for Marie. We believe that she may have originated from Warsaw or Krakow. Thanks in anticipation, Chris

Hi list, We returned from Poland and Holland at 9:30 p.m. Thursday night. We are still jet lagged - in bed last night at 6 p.m. and awake before 4 a.m. Hope we get back to normal quickly. Our trip was wonderful, all flights on time. The first 8 days we had marvelous weather - shirt sleeves in Krakow! They had had so much rain just before our visit that we wondered what we would find. But we were lucky. We walked our feet off in both Warsaw and Krakow with my young cousins (met on the internet). I'm sure we could have seen more if we had more energy. Our guide in Krakow was Janusz,a second cousin aged 26 who is studying in Krakow. We drove from Krakow to Zakopane where the weather and scenery was fantastic. With all their rain the mountains were covered in snow. From there to Tarnow and Niedomice where my grandfather was born in 1869. We did not plan to do any genealogical research, just meet relatives and see the house where my grandfather was born. Ania, another second cousin, met us in Tarnow and we drove from the Hotel Dunajec to the old town where we met her husband and proceeded to have a very nice dinner in an old Polish restaurant there. The next morning Ania picked us up and we went to Niedomice after a stop in Tarnow to buy some souvenirs. The weather had deteriorated to short periods of rain by this time. We first went to Niedomice to meet Cecylia Ania's grandmother) and had coffee, tea and cake with her. What a lovely lady, she is the widow of my first cousin, once removed. The teacher in her came out and she was trying to teach us Polish. It is hopeless!! She wants me to come back next summer so she can teach me more. When we tried to tell people we spent a night in Szczawnica we had to show them on a map. We can now sort of pronounce it correctly. Then Ania pointed to a sign for Rzeszow - I wasn't even close! So I know it's hopeless. When it stopped raining we drove to the Niedomice cemetery and Cecylia took us to her husband's grave, then to a cousin's. From there we went to the cemetery in Zabno thinking to find relatives graves there. We had a photo from 1979 when my mother visited. But nothing was familiar. Next we went to the cemetery in Leg Tarnowski and looked for more graves. We didn't find any but many were unmarked with nothing but a cross. Knowing from cousins there that this was the earlier church for Niedomice we rang the bell at the priests' home. The one who answered said he knew the old books were there, but he was not familiar with them. So we should try to come back later when the other priests were back from their teaching jobs. We left and planned to return. Then we went back to Niedomice for lunch with Janusz' parents. Janusz knew I was dying for homemade pierogies so he asked his mother to make some. I'm sure she spent all morning as there were two huge platters of meat filled and kraut filled pierogies. I will never buy frozen again! This family live in the same home where my grandfather was born in 1869 so it was quite a thrill for me to be there. After eating and walking around the farm and down to the river, Janusz and I filled in some blanks on relatives charts. Then it was back to Leg Tarnowski for another look through the cemetery. This time Janusz found the grave of my grandfather's brother which had been in the photo mentioned above. No stone or name, you just had to know where to look. We again knocked on the rectory door. This time a priest welcomed us in and took us to his office where the old books were setting on a shelf. Books over 200 years old! He was very pleasant and eager to help us with our search for names. He showed us how to use the index book to find the original record in the baptismal records. After about 30 minutes he had to leave but said we could stay as long as we liked! How lucky can you get? These records go back to 1785 so we found quite a few baptisms. I wish we could have stayed another day to look at all the books there. However, when I got back to the hotel where we had free internet usage I checked the Mormon library site to see if the records at Leg Tarnowski had been filmed. Great news - they had. So now I will order them sent to my local Mormon church where I can study them all day long and with a magnifying glass. I know there are lots more names and dates to check. It really helps to have local knowledge or I would never have thought to look in Leg Tarnowski for my ancestors. I plan to write to the Mormon library and ask them to cross-reference Niedomice - Jurkow - Leg Tarnowski in case someone else needs the data. Cecylia's son Jan (Ania's father) and his wife Barbara had us for drinks and dinner/supper that night. About 14 cousins showed up at different times. We were given such a warm welcome - something we will never forget. Everyone in Niedomice remembered that my mother visited in 1979 - even if they didn't get to meet her. Some were not even born. I wonder if they will be talking about our visit in 2040??? I think that about covers it. We had a wonderful time and accomplished so much more than expected. Regards, Sharon Galitz., Surprise, Arizona PS - With all the great food I was surprised to see I only gained 5 pounds in three weeks! It must have been all the walking.

Does anyone have the email address of the online Polish American newspaper? I just spent two weeks there and there are a number of things about their economy that I would like to know about. Great country and great people. Walt

http://www.poloniatoday.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmurawski@comcast.net> To: "Poland -Roots list" <Poland-Roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: [POLAND] Polish American newspaper > Does anyone have the email address of the online Polish American > newspaper? I just spent two weeks there and there are a number of things > about their economy that I would like to know about. > Great country and great people. > Walt > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There was a long article in the October 12, 2008 New York Times (newspaper) which stated that "the Film Society of Lincoln Center is putting on a month-long, nearly complete retrospective of Andrej Wajda's films." If you're in the New York city area this would be a great opportunity. I highly recommend that everyone read the New York Times article as it is very complimentary about Wajda. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/movies/12raff.html A filmography of Andrzej Wajda and the full schedule of his films in the lincoln Center retrospective: http://www.filmlinc.com/wrt/onsale/wajda/program.html Debbie

Bronwyn In the document it is that is a child (girl), but later it is definitely looks that it is a boy. I think that was a mistake made by priest. The same (I mean child - boy) says info from archive.... Thanks for that question - I should add a comment to the translation about that. Bogdan 2008/10/15 Bronwyn Klimach <bronklimach@gmail.com>: > Bogdan, > Have just noticed you said child born was a girl??? I have is a son i.e. a > boy? > Bron. > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:32 Translation of the message: > > Researches were performed also in civil records of roman-catholic > parfis in Szwelice (Zelniki belonged to this parish ) form 1890 till > 1904 > > Birth record of Ludwik Mieczyslawa Weglicki son of Hipolit and Lucyna > maiden name Parowska from 1902 was found in that records. > > In attachement we sent a copy of this birth record. > > We would like to inform, that to continue research in record of > roman-catholic parish in Szwelica after 1904 you should ask Urzad > Stanu Cywilnego (Civil records office) in Karniewo ul Pultuska 3, > 03-425 Karniewo (address) > > Information from the record (not real translation as the record is in > Russian): > It happened in the village Szwelice 25 September/7 October 1902 at 5 > p.m. came Hipolit Weglicki carpenter 25 years old living in Zeliniki > and with presence of Aleksander Chaleicz (Naleicz?) 34 years old and > Juliusz Gutowski 46 years both farmers from Zelniki and informed that > at 4 a.m yestarday in Zelinik a child (girl) was born from his wife > Lucyna maiden name Parowska 22 years old. Child with presence of the > Priest Staninslaw S.... was baptised and received a name Ludwik > Mieczyslaw. His Goodparents were: Aleksander Chaleicz and Bronislawa > Parowski. > The rest is not important - it is stated that that record was read by > the Priest to preasent people... some formal titles of the Priest.. > > Bogdan > > > 2008/10/13 Marblekat <marblekat@hotmail.com>: > >> > My apologies, here's a link: >> > >> http://trees.ancestry.com/f1/file02/objects/0/0/d/200d6a68-451d-4827-bed1-f6 >> > 277c19272c-0.jpg >> > >> > Thank You! >> > >> > -B >> > >> > >> > On 10/13/08 11:06 AM, "MJDallas" <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> wrote: >> > >> > Marblekat wrote: >> > >> >> I¹ve uploaded it as a photo on Ancestry. It is titled >> > as ³1902 Ludwika >> >> Mieczyslawa Welickiego Household² and consists of her son >> > or son-in-law >> >> Hipolita Weglicki, daughter or daughter-in-law Lucyny >> > Parowski. >> > >> > Hi, >> > >> > It might be helpful if you gave us a link to the particular >> > page you >> > uploaded the photo to. Was it posted to the message boards or to >> > somewhere else on Ancestry? I wasn't able to find the photo using >> > the >> > search function on the MBs, so either it's been deleted or it >> > wasn't posted >> > to the message boards. >> > >> > -Marie >> > ********************************* >> > Need to >> > contact the list manager? 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Bogdan, Have just noticed you said child born was a girl??? I have is a son i.e. a boy? Bron. On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:32 Translation of the message: Researches were performed also in civil records of roman-catholic parfis in Szwelice (Zelniki belonged to this parish ) form 1890 till 1904 Birth record of Ludwik Mieczyslawa Weglicki son of Hipolit and Lucyna maiden name Parowska from 1902 was found in that records. In attachement we sent a copy of this birth record. We would like to inform, that to continue research in record of roman-catholic parish in Szwelica after 1904 you should ask Urzad Stanu Cywilnego (Civil records office) in Karniewo ul Pultuska 3, 03-425 Karniewo (address) Information from the record (not real translation as the record is in Russian): It happened in the village Szwelice 25 September/7 October 1902 at 5 p.m. came Hipolit Weglicki carpenter 25 years old living in Zeliniki and with presence of Aleksander Chaleicz (Naleicz?) 34 years old and Juliusz Gutowski 46 years both farmers from Zelniki and informed that at 4 a.m yestarday in Zelinik a child (girl) was born from his wife Lucyna maiden name Parowska 22 years old. Child with presence of the Priest Staninslaw S.... was baptised and received a name Ludwik Mieczyslaw. His Goodparents were: Aleksander Chaleicz and Bronislawa Parowski. The rest is not important - it is stated that that record was read by the Priest to preasent people... some formal titles of the Priest.. Bogdan 2008/10/13 Marblekat <marblekat@hotmail.com>: > > My apologies, here's a link: > > > http://trees.ancestry.com/f1/file02/objects/0/0/d/200d6a68-451d-4827-bed1-f6 > > 277c19272c-0.jpg > > > > Thank You! > > > > -B > > > > > > On 10/13/08 11:06 AM, "MJDallas" <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > Marblekat wrote: > > > >> I¹ve uploaded it as a photo on Ancestry. It is titled > > as ³1902 Ludwika > >> Mieczyslawa Welickiego Household² and consists of her son > > or son-in-law > >> Hipolita Weglicki, daughter or daughter-in-law Lucyny > > Parowski. > > > > Hi, > > > > It might be helpful if you gave us a link to the particular > > page you > > uploaded the photo to. Was it posted to the message boards or to > > somewhere else on Ancestry? I wasn't able to find the photo using > > the > > search function on the MBs, so either it's been deleted or it > > wasn't posted > > to the message boards. > > > > -Marie > > ********************************* > > Need to > > contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > > ---------------------------------- > > Discussio > > n of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as > > the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our > > Polish roots. > > ---------------------------------- > > Browse the list's archives > > here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > > Search the > > list's archives > > here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > > > ------------------- > > ------------ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ********************************* > > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > > ---------------------------------- > > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list > as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > > ---------------------------------- > > Browse the list's archives here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > > Search the list's archives here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I found this on ancestry.com. Don't know how accurate it is. Ruth Pokorny http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/person.aspx?pid=-1546976460&tid=4613058&ssrc= (Owner: bbwongfox) Hipolit Weglicki Birth: 6 Aug 1877 Poland Residence: 1902 - Age: 25 Zelki Dabrowe, Mazowieckie, Poland Description: near Maków Mazowiecki Date 1902 Transcription of text in documentHousehold census from Archive of Warsaw Hipolit Weglicki Lucy Parowska Weglicki Ludwik Weglicki Residence: 1942 - Age: 65 Brooklyn, New York U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 Name: Hipolit Weglicki Birth Date: 6 Aug 1877 RESIDENCE: Brooklyn, New York Birth: Makow, Poland Race: White Roll: WW2_2370751 Death: bef 1977 Poland - Age: 100 Parents: Jozef Weglicki & Mary Zbikowska --------- Lucyana Parowski Birth: abt 1879-1880 Poland Death: bef 1984 Poland Parents: Stefan Parowski & Ludwika Kotakowska --------- Children Name Sex Birth Death Ludwik M Weglicki M 24 Sep 1902 Zelki Dabrowe, Mazowieckie, Poland Martin Maryan Weglicki M 15 Apr 1909 Zelki Dabrowe, Poland 17 Nov 1979 Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States of America Henry K Weglicki M 11 Jan 1911 Poland Nov 1978 New York, New York, New York, United States of America --------- Siblings of Hipolit: Mary Radziewicz Spouse & Children Joseph Radziewicz 1875 - Edward Radziewicz 1906 - Henry Radziewicz 1910 - Pauline Radziewicz 1915 - Amelia Radziewicz 1922 - Victor Weglicki Timeline: 1886 23 Mar Birth Maków, Poland 1902 Age: 16 Arrival 1908 24 May Age: 22 Marriage to Mary Kender Manhattan, New York, USA 1910 Age: 24 Residence Brooklyn Ward 14, Kings, New York 1920 Age: 34 Residence Brooklyn Assembly District 14, Kings, New York 1967 Aug Age: 81 Death Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States of America Spouse & Children Mary Kender 1891 - 1975 Helen Weglicki 1909 - Edward V. Weglicki 1910 - 1994 Henry J Weglicki 1913 - 1994 Wadyslawa L Weglicki 1918 - ------------- I also found this: World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 Name: Hipolit Weglicki Permanent Home Address: 96 1st Ave., NY,NY,NY City: Manhattan County: New York State: New York Birth Date: 13 Aug 1876 Russia Alien, Declared Age: 42 Occupation: Carpenter, American Moulding Co., 85, Fort Grand Bl? Bdlg, NY,NY Nearest Relative: Mary Larhister?, 96 1st Ave., NY,NY,NY Height/Build: Medium/Medium Color of Eyes/Hair: Blue/Brown Date: Sept 12, 1918 Local Board No. 113, 76 2nd Avenue, New York, N.Y. Race: White Roll: 1765953 DraftBoard: 113 ------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marblekat" <marblekat@hotmail.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Archive m. st. Warszawy Thank you very much for your assistance! I was hoping to find Hipolit's parent's from the Polish Archives but I guess that was too much to hope for I will continue my research from the translation and hope for more results =) - B. On 10/14/08 8:32 AM, "Bogdan Kajkowski" <bogdanpriv@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Translation of the message: > > Researches were performed also in civil records of roman-catholic > parfis in Szwelice (Zelniki belonged to this parish ) form 1890 till > 1904 > > Birth record of Ludwik Mieczyslawa Weglicki son of Hipolit and Lucyna > maiden name Parowska from 1902 was found in that records. > > In attachement we sent a copy of this birth record. > > We would like to inform, that to continue research in record of > roman-catholic parish in Szwelica after 1904 you should ask Urzad > Stanu Cywilnego (Civil records office) in Karniewo ul Pultuska 3, > 03-425 Karniewo (address) > > Information from the record (not real translation as the record is in > Russian): > It happened in the village Szwelice 25 September/7 October 1902 at 5 > p.m. came Hipolit Weglicki carpenter 25 years old living in Zeliniki > and with presence of Aleksander Chaleicz (Naleicz?) 34 years old and > Juliusz Gutowski 46 years both farmers from Zelniki and informed that > at 4 a.m yestarday in Zelinik a child (girl) was born from his wife > Lucyna maiden name Parowska 22 years old. Child with presence of the > Priest Staninslaw S.... was baptised and received a name Ludwik > Mieczyslaw. His Goodparents were: Aleksander Chaleicz and Bronislawa > Parowski. > The rest is not important - it is stated that that record was read by > the Priest to preasent people... some formal titles of the Priest.. > > Bogdan > > > 2008/10/13 Marblekat <marblekat@hotmail.com>: >> My apologies, here's a link: >> http://trees.ancestry.com/f1/file02/objects/0/0/d/200d6a68-451d-4827-bed1-f6 >> 277c19272c-0.jpg >> >> Thank You! >> >> -B >> >> >> On 10/13/08 11:06 AM, "MJDallas" <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Marblekat wrote: >> >>> I¹ve uploaded it as a photo on Ancestry. It is titled >> as ³1902 Ludwika >>> Mieczyslawa Welickiego Household² and consists of her son >> or son-in-law >>> Hipolita Weglicki, daughter or daughter-in-law Lucyny >> Parowski. >> >> Hi, >> >> It might be helpful if you gave us a link to the particular >> page you >> uploaded the photo to. Was it posted to the message boards or to >> somewhere else on Ancestry? I wasn't able to find the photo using >> the >> search function on the MBs, so either it's been deleted or it >> wasn't posted >> to the message boards. >> >> -Marie >> ********************************* >> Need to >> contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussio >> n of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as >> the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our >> Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives >> here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the >> list's archives >> here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------- >> ------------ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? 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Polish, or otherwise, Ancestry or other. Any information needs to be backed up with documentation. That simple. Marie On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Tiffany Parsons <tiff.parsons@mac.com>wrote: > I can't believe someone would go to all the trouble just HOPING > someone lands on their prank? Although some people have too much free > time, and stranger things have been known to happen. I don't see how > Ancestry.com COULD police all the info people post ... imagine what > the membership would be! So I guess it's up to us to double check > what we find in other people's posts against the "facts" that > Ancestry.com actually posts themselves. Was the family name you were > researching of any particular interest to others in general for any > reason? I would be willing to bet that someone just didn't know how > to scrutinize their finds and ran with a bit of info which led them > down the wrong path. Sorry it had to tangle you up in it. At least > you could use it as a resource of who you are NOT related too, right? > I have had some very conclusive hits that have somehow gotten totally > confused and results in having two possible, very factual-seeming > scenarios. Hard to tell sometimes. > Good luck! > Tiffany > On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:06 PM, John Ruther wrote: > > > This is not a question about Poland or the Polish; it is a question > > about Genealogy in general. If that is not appropriate for this > > forum, then please, by all means delete this message. > > > > My Question is simply this: When do you believe or not believe what > > you find on Ancestry.com? > > > > In addition to trying to trace my own Polish Roots, I have been > > working to trace the heritage and lineage of my wife, Gayle's > > English ancestors. Very little is known about her Father's family > > and all of the family members who may know something are long gone. > > > > We have some bits and pieces of information with some names and > > dates. One of those names was of a Mary Ann Cornell. She married a > > Charles Ryder and when I went into Ancestry.com I found posted in > > their section called ONE WORLD TREE a whole host of information > > dating back hundreds of years; work that I assume some other > > genealogist performed. The information was posted in 2001 and the > > "contact eMail address" is no longer viable. > > > > On the whole, the information looks valid; oh, there are some > > obvious errors, such as incorrect dates of birth and such, but > > mainly it looks like an excellent resource. My question is simply, > > how can a subscriber know that the information someone else can > > upload to Ancestry is, as far as they know, truthful and a good > > effort at accuracy has been employed? That someone is not having > > fun at ancestry.com's expense and loading a "Family Tree" with > > bogus information. > > > > I understand that some information that individuals put on line can > > be incorrect, that is not what I am talking about. Honest mistakes > > I would believe will happen, but what about out and out fraud. Does > > Ancestry have a "policing action" in their organization or do you > > simply take it on faith that only people of good will enter data > > into Family Trees? > > > > John > > ********************************* > > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots- > > admin@rootsweb.com > > ---------------------------------- > > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > > list: researching our Polish roots. > > ---------------------------------- > > Browse the list's archives here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > > Search the list's archives here: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you very much for your assistance! I was hoping to find Hipolit's parent's from the Polish Archives but I guess that was too much to hope for I will continue my research from the translation and hope for more results =) - B. On 10/14/08 8:32 AM, "Bogdan Kajkowski" <bogdanpriv@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Translation of the message: > > Researches were performed also in civil records of roman-catholic > parfis in Szwelice (Zelniki belonged to this parish ) form 1890 till > 1904 > > Birth record of Ludwik Mieczyslawa Weglicki son of Hipolit and Lucyna > maiden name Parowska from 1902 was found in that records. > > In attachement we sent a copy of this birth record. > > We would like to inform, that to continue research in record of > roman-catholic parish in Szwelica after 1904 you should ask Urzad > Stanu Cywilnego (Civil records office) in Karniewo ul Pultuska 3, > 03-425 Karniewo (address) > > Information from the record (not real translation as the record is in > Russian): > It happened in the village Szwelice 25 September/7 October 1902 at 5 > p.m. came Hipolit Weglicki carpenter 25 years old living in Zeliniki > and with presence of Aleksander Chaleicz (Naleicz?) 34 years old and > Juliusz Gutowski 46 years both farmers from Zelniki and informed that > at 4 a.m yestarday in Zelinik a child (girl) was born from his wife > Lucyna maiden name Parowska 22 years old. Child with presence of the > Priest Staninslaw S.... was baptised and received a name Ludwik > Mieczyslaw. His Goodparents were: Aleksander Chaleicz and Bronislawa > Parowski. > The rest is not important - it is stated that that record was read by > the Priest to preasent people... some formal titles of the Priest.. > > Bogdan > > > 2008/10/13 Marblekat <marblekat@hotmail.com>: >> My apologies, here's a link: >> http://trees.ancestry.com/f1/file02/objects/0/0/d/200d6a68-451d-4827-bed1-f6 >> 277c19272c-0.jpg >> >> Thank You! >> >> -B >> >> >> On 10/13/08 11:06 AM, "MJDallas" <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Marblekat wrote: >> >>> I¹ve uploaded it as a photo on Ancestry. It is titled >> as ³1902 Ludwika >>> Mieczyslawa Welickiego Household² and consists of her son >> or son-in-law >>> Hipolita Weglicki, daughter or daughter-in-law Lucyny >> Parowski. >> >> Hi, >> >> It might be helpful if you gave us a link to the particular >> page you >> uploaded the photo to. Was it posted to the message boards or to >> somewhere else on Ancestry? I wasn't able to find the photo using >> the >> search function on the MBs, so either it's been deleted or it >> wasn't posted >> to the message boards. >> >> -Marie >> ********************************* >> Need to >> contact the list manager? 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Hello, Translation of the message: Researches were performed also in civil records of roman-catholic parfis in Szwelice (Zelniki belonged to this parish ) form 1890 till 1904 Birth record of Ludwik Mieczyslawa Weglicki son of Hipolit and Lucyna maiden name Parowska from 1902 was found in that records. In attachement we sent a copy of this birth record. We would like to inform, that to continue research in record of roman-catholic parish in Szwelica after 1904 you should ask Urzad Stanu Cywilnego (Civil records office) in Karniewo ul Pultuska 3, 03-425 Karniewo (address) Information from the record (not real translation as the record is in Russian): It happened in the village Szwelice 25 September/7 October 1902 at 5 p.m. came Hipolit Weglicki carpenter 25 years old living in Zeliniki and with presence of Aleksander Chaleicz (Naleicz?) 34 years old and Juliusz Gutowski 46 years both farmers from Zelniki and informed that at 4 a.m yestarday in Zelinik a child (girl) was born from his wife Lucyna maiden name Parowska 22 years old. Child with presence of the Priest Staninslaw S.... was baptised and received a name Ludwik Mieczyslaw. His Goodparents were: Aleksander Chaleicz and Bronislawa Parowski. The rest is not important - it is stated that that record was read by the Priest to preasent people... some formal titles of the Priest.. Bogdan 2008/10/13 Marblekat <marblekat@hotmail.com>: > My apologies, here's a link: > http://trees.ancestry.com/f1/file02/objects/0/0/d/200d6a68-451d-4827-bed1-f6 > 277c19272c-0.jpg > > Thank You! > > -B > > > On 10/13/08 11:06 AM, "MJDallas" <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> wrote: > > Marblekat wrote: > >> I¹ve uploaded it as a photo on Ancestry. It is titled > as ³1902 Ludwika >> Mieczyslawa Welickiego Household² and consists of her son > or son-in-law >> Hipolita Weglicki, daughter or daughter-in-law Lucyny > Parowski. > > Hi, > > It might be helpful if you gave us a link to the particular > page you > uploaded the photo to. Was it posted to the message boards or to > somewhere else on Ancestry? I wasn't able to find the photo using > the > search function on the MBs, so either it's been deleted or it > wasn't posted > to the message boards. > > -Marie > ********************************* > Need to > contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussio > n of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as > the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our > Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives > here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the > list's archives > here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------- > ------------ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My apologies, here's a link: http://trees.ancestry.com/f1/file02/objects/0/0/d/200d6a68-451d-4827-bed1-f6 277c19272c-0.jpg Thank You! -B On 10/13/08 11:06 AM, "MJDallas" <rwlistsboards@comcast.net> wrote: Marblekat wrote: > I¹ve uploaded it as a photo on Ancestry. It is titled as ³1902 Ludwika > Mieczyslawa Welickiego Household² and consists of her son or son-in-law > Hipolita Weglicki, daughter or daughter-in-law Lucyny Parowski. Hi, It might be helpful if you gave us a link to the particular page you uploaded the photo to. Was it posted to the message boards or to somewhere else on Ancestry? I wasn't able to find the photo using the search function on the MBs, so either it's been deleted or it wasn't posted to the message boards. -Marie ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussio n of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------- ------------ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My practice is to consider anything that does not go back to original sources to be "questionable". A document such as a death certificate is "primary" only for that occurrence, that is, for the date of death. The date of birth on a death certificate I rank as "secondary". In any source, if I find any error, I rank that source as "unreliable". I continue to question any source that I have not entered as "primary". The bulk of my sources fall into the "questionable" category, with only a very few as "unreliable" and even fewer as "primary". Somewhere in number between "primary" and "questionable" are the ones I consider "secondary". This not to say that you or anyone else should follow what I am doing, but establish your own norms. If I find three or more unrelated "questionable" sources for a single fact, I begin to accept that as "secondary". As far as family trees published on Ancestry or any other source, unless the person furnishes the source that was used to verify a fact, I rate it as "questionable" until I can find a better source for the same fact. If I find even one noticeable error in that tree, the rating goes to "unreliable" since I cannot be sure that other errors have not been made. This seems harsh, but I am not condemning anyone else's work, but merely rating it for my own use in following up on what is there. Remember, too, that some original documents are questionable at best, such as census records. You must make two assumptions when using these records: one is that the person being interviewed knew the data correctly; secondly that the person writing it down wrote it out correctly. That is why I consider data such as date of birth of the deceased on a death certificate as "secondary" at best. Check the identity of the informant on the DC and then rate the information accordingly. On a death certificate, if the informant is the father, I rate the date of birth as "secondary" or "questionable" while if the mother is informant I rate it as definitely "secondary" leaning toward "primary". Whatever you do, be sure to be critical of whatever source you use. As people we are seldom perfect in what we do. Observe the Subject of this email and note the spelling. :o))) ----- Original Message ----- From: <BellBotm13@aol.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: 12 October, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] A Questioin of what to believe. > John, > I would think that whatever is entered on Ancestry.com or any other > genealogy > site is with good intention. Who would want to bother to foul up someone's > family tree, when they can do more damage with a virus . > > My opinion...........Shirley > **************New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your > destination. > Dining, Movies, Events, News & more. Try it out > (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000002) > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.0/1722 - Release Date: 10/13/2008 7:50 AM

Marblekat wrote: > I¹ve uploaded it as a photo on Ancestry. It is titled as ³1902 Ludwika > Mieczyslawa Welickiego Household² and consists of her son or son-in-law > Hipolita Weglicki, daughter or daughter-in-law Lucyny Parowski. Hi, It might be helpful if you gave us a link to the particular page you uploaded the photo to. Was it posted to the message boards or to somewhere else on Ancestry? I wasn't able to find the photo using the search function on the MBs, so either it's been deleted or it wasn't posted to the message boards. -Marie

I can't believe someone would go to all the trouble just HOPING someone lands on their prank? Although some people have too much free time, and stranger things have been known to happen. I don't see how Ancestry.com COULD police all the info people post ... imagine what the membership would be! So I guess it's up to us to double check what we find in other people's posts against the "facts" that Ancestry.com actually posts themselves. Was the family name you were researching of any particular interest to others in general for any reason? I would be willing to bet that someone just didn't know how to scrutinize their finds and ran with a bit of info which led them down the wrong path. Sorry it had to tangle you up in it. At least you could use it as a resource of who you are NOT related too, right? I have had some very conclusive hits that have somehow gotten totally confused and results in having two possible, very factual-seeming scenarios. Hard to tell sometimes. Good luck! Tiffany On Oct 12, 2008, at 11:06 PM, John Ruther wrote: > This is not a question about Poland or the Polish; it is a question > about Genealogy in general. If that is not appropriate for this > forum, then please, by all means delete this message. > > My Question is simply this: When do you believe or not believe what > you find on Ancestry.com? > > In addition to trying to trace my own Polish Roots, I have been > working to trace the heritage and lineage of my wife, Gayle's > English ancestors. Very little is known about her Father's family > and all of the family members who may know something are long gone. > > We have some bits and pieces of information with some names and > dates. One of those names was of a Mary Ann Cornell. She married a > Charles Ryder and when I went into Ancestry.com I found posted in > their section called ONE WORLD TREE a whole host of information > dating back hundreds of years; work that I assume some other > genealogist performed. The information was posted in 2001 and the > "contact eMail address" is no longer viable. > > On the whole, the information looks valid; oh, there are some > obvious errors, such as incorrect dates of birth and such, but > mainly it looks like an excellent resource. My question is simply, > how can a subscriber know that the information someone else can > upload to Ancestry is, as far as they know, truthful and a good > effort at accuracy has been employed? That someone is not having > fun at ancestry.com's expense and loading a "Family Tree" with > bogus information. > > I understand that some information that individuals put on line can > be incorrect, that is not what I am talking about. Honest mistakes > I would believe will happen, but what about out and out fraud. Does > Ancestry have a "policing action" in their organization or do you > simply take it on faith that only people of good will enter data > into Family Trees? > > John > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots- > admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the > list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this > list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message