Roman, Thank you so much for your help. I'm glad to know that there is at least a street by that name in or near Warsaw. I'll definitely bookmark the site and check out some of those other locations. Thank you! Bonnie On 10/30/08 1:06 AM, "Roman" <romanka@comcast.net> wrote: > Bonnie, There are two possibilities for that street (ulica Brukowa) in or > near Warsaw, namely, in the northern suburb of Łomianki or the eastern > suburb of Ząbki. In addition, there are many other locations in Poland having > a street by that name. You can check it out using the Polish on-line map > found at http://mapa.szukacz.pl/ In the form on the right enter "Brukowa" in > the field labeled "Ulica" and click on "Pokaż". You should get 16 hits, three > of which are in or near Warsaw. Zoom in on the map and you will eventually > actually see the named street. Roman

On 10/30/08 11:43 AM, "PolishDragon@att.net" <PolishDragon@att.net> wrote: > > Original message from Marblekat <marblekat@hotmail.com>: > > >> I am unable to> find out Marja/Mary¹s maiden name despite all the varies >> records I have!! > > Bonnie: You don't say what you have, but I am surprised that nothing appears > on any subsequent children's birth/baptismal certificates or marriage records. > Her SSA-5? > BTW, he was a good looking fellow. And swept her off her feet or knew > her/family beforehand? Arrived in April/May and married in July! <g> > PD I wish I knew more details but it's quite an interesting story. Czeslaw Parowski got early naturalization by the act of May 19?? because of serving in the military WWI. He was issued a US passport (13 Apr 1923, record) when his father dies in Poland so he can go back to handle the estate. I wonder if it's an arrange marriage? childhood sweetheart? because he marries by 22 Jun 1923 and they live at Ludwika (his mother's house) until they go return to the US on 5 Feb 1924. I don't know about the situation in Poland then, but does the fact that he is already naturalized make him any more attractive? All her children's subsequent records have her listed as Parowska - which has me quite frustrated =( Bonnie

Good Evening, I am little confused regarding the search for records in Poland. I used the information provided on Poland GenWeb and I was successful in obtaining the marriage record for my grandparents circa 1911 from the Roman Catholic Parish in Lipno. So I wrote again asking for the birth records of my grandparents in 1892 and 1894. The Parish Father was very kind to respond so quickly to my inquiry and his letter stated "the files from before 1900 are to be found at the city council at Derkert Square in Lipno." That is the local civil registry office and it is my understanding that records older than 100 years would not be a local registry office. Is this a misunderstanding of the Parish Father? or is it possible that the local civil registry office would have these documents? I have found the local registry office to be extremely slow in responding to a request I have sent. In fact they have not responded at all !!! Would it be a good idea to write the Arch Diocese next or the State Archives? I do have the complete birth date for my grandparents. Your input is greatly appreciated. Thanks Nancy

Original message from Marblekat <marblekat@hotmail.com>: > I am unable to> find out Marja/Mary¹s maiden name despite all the varies records I have!! Bonnie: You don't say what you have, but I am surprised that nothing appears on any subsequent children's birth/baptismal certificates or marriage records. Her SSA-5? BTW, he was a good looking fellow. And swept her off her feet or knew her/family beforehand? Arrived in April/May and married in July! <g> PD

Hi Listers, Is anyone researching the surname "Ambrozy" in Krasnystaw, Lublin in the late 1800's. I'm searching for the family of Ignatius "John" Ambrozy who immigrated to Canada in 1913. Documents put his birth year between 1896 - 1899. Val

Bonnie, There are two possibilities for that street (ulica Brukowa) in or near Warsaw, namely, in the northern suburb of Łomianki or the eastern suburb of Ząbki. In addition, there are many other locations in Poland having a street by that name. You can check it out using the Polish on-line map found at http://mapa.szukacz.pl/ In the form on the right enter "Brukowa" in the field labeled "Ulica" and click on "Pokaż". You should get 16 hits, three of which are in or near Warsaw. Zoom in on the map and you will eventually actually see the named street. Roman Marblekat wrote: > Hello, I¹m hoping the list can help me with this. On the 5 Feb 1924 Doric > passenger record from Liverpool to New York for one of my ancestors, Marja > Parowska [Mary Parowski] she wrote that she lived with her mother-in-law > [Ludwika Parowska] as her last residence and she listed the residence as: > Warsaw, ul Brukowa, Poland. > > Warsaw, as I understand, can cover quite a large area. Can anyone speculate > or help me narrow down where specifically she might be referring to? I¹m > trying to track down the marriage record of when Marja married Ludwika¹s son > Czeslaw on 22 Jul 1923 during his visit back to Poland to handle his > father¹s estate. I¹m hoping the location of his mother¹s residence will > help me narrow down my search. > > I already have all the research subsequent to their arrival in the U.S. but > tracking down their Polish origins is proving quite elusive. I am unable to > find out Marja/Mary¹s maiden name despite all the varies records I have!! > Any advice would be much appreciated. > > Thank you! > > Bonnie > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I¹m hoping the list can help me with this. On the 5 Feb 1924 Doric passenger record from Liverpool to New York for one of my ancestors, Marja Parowska [Mary Parowski] she wrote that she lived with her mother-in-law [Ludwika Parowska] as her last residence and she listed the residence as: Warsaw, ul Brukowa, Poland. Warsaw, as I understand, can cover quite a large area. Can anyone speculate or help me narrow down where specifically she might be referring to? I¹m trying to track down the marriage record of when Marja married Ludwika¹s son Czeslaw on 22 Jul 1923 during his visit back to Poland to handle his father¹s estate. I¹m hoping the location of his mother¹s residence will help me narrow down my search. I already have all the research subsequent to their arrival in the U.S. but tracking down their Polish origins is proving quite elusive. I am unable to find out Marja/Mary¹s maiden name despite all the varies records I have!! Any advice would be much appreciated. Thank you! Bonnie

Hi Chris, Not quite a direct answer to your question, but if looking for earlier (1800s) records for Evangelicals in Poland it is always a good idea to also look at records kept for the Roman Catholics, esp for births and deaths. Marriages nearly always show up in the Evangelical register, but it is not uncommon for births and deaths to be registered with a more convenient RC Church. There are times when the Polish Evangelicals seem a little more RC to me than I am used to from my Australian Lutheran upbringing, for example calling a Pastor a Priest. This may be just a language blip, however there are some customs that have been adopted by some families such as sharing wafer at Christmas (alas I forget the correct term here - oplatek?), fasting on Good Fri etc which were not familiar to me. Am I correct in thinking you already know the location of your ancestors in Poland. If not it is most important to gather as much information as possible about villages of birth etc from records where these people settled after leaving Poland. Kind regards, Bronwyn. On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 10:09 AM, <Csgen50@aol.com> wrote: > Hello All, > > I have a general question about the Protestant Church in Poland. What form > did this take? Was it for example a High Church with ceremonies more akin > to > the Catholic Church than the Protestant as we know it in UK or America? > > In UK there is a small branch of the Church of England that is known as > High > Church. If you went to a service there you would find incense, statues, > crusifixes and genuflecting as a normal part of the service, despite the > fact > that it is very definately Anglican and not Catholic. If visiting the area > you > would be forgiven for thinking that you had walked into the local Catholic > church by mistake. Might this be the case in Poland? > > My reason for asking is that if statues and crucifixes are a normal part of > the Protestant Church in Poland (or were in the early 20th century) the > family > might have made an error in believing that Marie was Catholic simply > because > she had these in her possesion. > > As I said before, all her children were baptised in the Church of England. > She was never known to attend church of any demonination during her > lifetime, > except for the baptism of her children and their subsequent weddings. I was > however mistaken when I thought that she married in the Church of England. > In > fact she had a civil ceremony at a Register Office. > > Many thanks for helping me to understand a little more about life in > Poland. > Regards, > Chris

Dans un e-mail daté du 29/10/2008 11:58:11 Romance Standard Time, bronklimach@gmail.com a écrit : Am I correct in thinking you already know the location of your ancestors in Poland. Hi Bronwyn, Unfortunately the location is a matter of pure supposition based on vague memories. Chris

Hello All, I have a general question about the Protestant Church in Poland. What form did this take? Was it for example a High Church with ceremonies more akin to the Catholic Church than the Protestant as we know it in UK or America? In UK there is a small branch of the Church of England that is known as High Church. If you went to a service there you would find incense, statues, crusifixes and genuflecting as a normal part of the service, despite the fact that it is very definately Anglican and not Catholic. If visiting the area you would be forgiven for thinking that you had walked into the local Catholic church by mistake. Might this be the case in Poland? My reason for asking is that if statues and crucifixes are a normal part of the Protestant Church in Poland (or were in the early 20th century) the family might have made an error in believing that Marie was Catholic simply because she had these in her possesion. As I said before, all her children were baptised in the Church of England. She was never known to attend church of any demonination during her lifetime, except for the baptism of her children and their subsequent weddings. I was however mistaken when I thought that she married in the Church of England. In fact she had a civil ceremony at a Register Office. Many thanks for helping me to understand a little more about life in Poland. Regards, Chris

Chris, I've been following this thread. When you do find a female Pizlock, be aware that she might have 'changed' her foreign/ Polish 1st name when she came to the UK. Maria to Marie is likely, but she might have a totally different name or Marie/Maria was her middle name. She may have never told her children her real name. I have that in my extended family. An aunt who went by Sadie, but we think her real 1st name was Salome. She wouldn't tell. A relative of the same age was unsure. Just keep an open mind. Good Luck, Anne In Toledo OH Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Hi Anne, thanks for that suggestion. Yes, the main problem is that Marie told her children, and the grand daughter that she raised, very little. She kept her early life a big secret and only said that she left/escaped from Poland because of the terrible conditions there at the time. She never ever mentioned or made contact with any family in Poland. Maybe they were all dead. On her marriage certificate where her father is named it states 'deceased'. So, we presume that he was already dead when Marie left Poland. No mention was ever made of her mother. Many thanks for your interest, Chris

Debbie, we have seen various spellings given for Maries names such as Pizlock/Pislock/Pizlack/Pislack and Pezlack, but the one that is most frequently used is Pizlock. We have always assumed that this might be an anglicized version of her original Polish name. Ruth did find a wedding entry for Jacob Pizlak (27) father: Johann Pizlak, mother: Agnes Ratajch which would be the closest match that we have seen, and the name used on the birth certificate of her eldest daughter. Regards, Chris

Hi Ruth, Sadly, I can categorically say that no town is mentioned at all, just Poland. In fact information such as place of birth is not required to be given to funeral directors in UK. That info is only given to the registrar when registering the death and once that info is given it cannot be changed later. Any mistakes will be there forever. Pam has a vague memory of being told a story about Marie being frightened by dangerous dogs, she thinks that Krakow or its outskirts were mentioned. It is from this vague memory that she thinks Krakow might feature as a place of origin. A slim possibility but the only one that we have. Thanks so much for all your suggestions. Chris

Hi Chris, When you order films from the FHC they keep them there for you to read using their readers. It also means that if someone else is interested in your film they can also look at it until it is returned. Some images of records have been put online and can be found here: http://labs.familysearch.org/ Kind regards, Bronwyn Klimach. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM, <Csgen50@aol.com> wrote: > Thankyou to Chris, Debbie and Ruth for their replies. > > Thankyou for the list of LDS films. I have never had any luck trying to > access Polish LDS data online and assumed that it was not available > online. I > believe that the films can be rented but I only have a fiche reader not a > film > reader. There is an LDS contact about 40 mins from here. I do not know if > they > have research facilities as there is no open access. It is necessary to > phone for an appointment. So, I am not sure if they can help in regard to > the > films and viewing them. > > So, for the time being, the search goes on. > regards, > Chris >

Chris, One more comment, then I am out of ideas :o) You wrote <<The only information that the funeral director would have had would have been the info provided by the family, so no help there>>. Yes, that's true, but take into consideration that the person who gave the death info, most likely gave the info right after her death, or not much later after, and in their sorrow, may not have been thinking clearly. Or, because of the sorrow of the family, a friend of the family may have given the info on the death record. Have you checked the death record to see who the informant was that gave the info? Anyway, the family may have had more time to think about smaller details when talking to the funeral director, and may have remembered what town Marie was born in. I remember one incident where I was helping someone with their family tree, and the funeral record had the town listed of the deceased's place of birth. It may be a long shot, but....at this point I would try to locate the record. Ruth

Hi Ruth, sadly none of your suggestions are of any use to us. UK government legislation expressly forbids any information being released before 100 years have passed. It will not be availale until 2021 despite the Freedom of Information Act. The 1920 Act excludes itself from being subject to the Freedom of Information under any circumstances. There would have to be another act of parliament to change this. There was never any contact with relatives in Poland so no family letters hidden anywhere and no contact with any Polish community that might have existed in the area. Marie had not been in hospital but even if she had been, hospital records are also covered by the 100 year rule. Although, occasionally dispensations can be made by sympathetic authorities. The only information that the funeral director would have had would have been the info provided by the family, so no help there. I have discovered that although she never attended catholic church and all her children were brought up as protestants she did have statues and crucifixes at home. So, after her death her children made a special request for her funeral to be conducted in the catholic church, and this was granted. On her death certificate it simply gives Poland as place of birth. This was all the info that the member of the family who registered the death knew. No, I don't live in the, USA, I moved from England to Southern France 12 years ago, the only other relative intrested and helping our research lives in Australia ! Once again many thanks for your continued interest in my search. Regards, Chris

Thankyou Bronwyn, Unfortunately I am not sure that the nearest LDS church to us has a research facility. I will have to check that and check where the next closest to us is. It is likely to be hundreds of miles away. I will investigate this. I will also check out the link that you gave. I was not aware of an addy like that, only the basic familysearch.org regards, Chris

Chris, In reply to your statement: <<The census records for 1920 might give more information about her origins but will not be available until 2021>> Chris, is there anyway you can access the 1920 census by requesting a copy of the page of Marie from the government?. I am assuming that you do not live in the U.S. At this time the 1930 census is the last census that is open to the public in the U.S. In the U.S., you can request information for a fee for later census years that pertain to your family. http://www.census.gov/genealogy/www/agesearch.html Also, have you tried to obtain an obituary for Marie? Could she have possibly written letters to relatives in Poland, or other places? If so, maybe these letters are in the hands of another relative? Did the town she live in have social columns written in the newspapers? Maybe there are a few social items listed in the newspapers when (if) any relatives had visited her from another country? To look through newspapers would be a huge task though. What about hospital records?. If she had cancer and she was in the hospital for some time, maybe her hospital file might shed some light on her birth. What about funeral records? Maybe the funeral home that took care of Marie has a record that listed her place of birth. Ruth Pokorny

Chris, This LDS page allows you to find the closest Family History Center: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp Debbie Csgen50@aol.com wrote: > Thankyou Bronwyn, > > Unfortunately I am not sure that the nearest LDS church to us has a research > facility. I will have to check that and check where the next closest to us > is. It is likely to be hundreds of miles away. I will investigate this. I will > also check out the link that you gave. I was not aware of an addy like that, > only the basic familysearch.org > > regards, > Chris >