Mary asked me to explain to the list why she writes in all capital letters. She is not yelling at us. Mary has a hereditary disease called STARGARDTS which affects the eyes much like macular degeneration (I expect a few list members have this) except Mary has had this since she was seven years old (30 years ago) and it hasn't gotten worse. In order to see, she has to read/use large, capital letters. Both of Mary's Polish parents were carriers of Stargardts and she is wondering if any other relatives, here and in Poland, also have this disease. Debbie

Hello everyone, My family research unfortunately has been on hold for the last year or so. But a few things surfaced so I appreciate any help or suggestions how I might identify siblings, and also how I might best determine if they are full, half or step siblings. I'm sure this is no easy task!!!Here's what I have:My mother was told that Salomea Sarnik (her grandmother), Jan/John Czub, and Antoni Czub were siblings. - Salomea Czub Sarnik. born 1876 arrived 5/4/1909 lived in Mass, RI, and in Utica NY where daughters got married and returned to Poland in early 1920s. This is my great grandmother. Father is Michael Czub, mother is Catherine Nowak. Ship record lists she is from Delastowice. - John Czub. born 7/22/1880 arrived 4/2/1907 settled in Chicago Cook County Ill and naturalized there 6/26/1919. No records yet with names for John's mother or father to confirm he is Salomea's brother. Ship record lists he is from Szczucin. My mother never met his family but her mother said the Czubs in Chicago were cousins. - Antoni Czub. born 3/21/1893 arrived 5/12/1912 lived in RI, Mass, and in Frankfort/Herkimer NY from mid 1920s forward, naturalized 1912 (?? from 1930 census). Father's name is Michael Czub (from ship record). Ship record lists he is from Delastowice. Ship record lists relative he is going to as Salomea Sarnik, his step-sister. My mother knew Antoni and called him uncle. My first question: I would like to confirm the actual relationships of these relatives, especially Antoni and Salomea since we recently met the grandchildren on Antoni. The same father's name (Michael) and town are listed on ship records but Antoni's ship record lists Salomea as a step-sister. My mother and her siblings never heard reference of a 'step' relationship. There is a 17 year age difference between Salomea and Antoni so maybe they are half-siblings sharing the same father or children from 2 prior marriages? How would I verify the actual relationships between Salomea, John and Antoni? Secondly. As I was searching names, there are ship records for other Czubs from Delastowice. If the ship records don't indicate a common relative, how might I determine if they are related? Examples. Karolina Czub arriving 1902, Piotr Czub arriving 1909. Goodness. I appreciate any help or suggestions. Thank you so very much!

Mrs. Mick, The way to prove if and how people are related is through baptism and marriage records. You will probably need to locate these records at the parishes in Poland. Did you check Shtetlseeker for Delastowice? It's listed. http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp Once you pinpoint it on the map you'll see that Szczucin is located nearby. Delastowice has its own parish. Debbie Mrs. MICK wrote: > Hello everyone, My family research unfortunately has been on hold for the last year or so. But a few things surfaced so I appreciate any help or suggestions how I might identify siblings, and also how I might best determine if they are full, half or step siblings. I'm sure this is no easy task!!!Here's what I have:My mother was told that Salomea Sarnik (her grandmother), Jan/John Czub, and Antoni Czub were siblings. > - Salomea Czub Sarnik. born 1876 arrived 5/4/1909 lived in Mass, RI, and in Utica NY where daughters got married and returned to Poland in early 1920s. This is my great grandmother. Father is Michael Czub, mother is Catherine Nowak. Ship record lists she is from Delastowice. > - John Czub. born 7/22/1880 arrived 4/2/1907 settled in Chicago Cook County Ill and naturalized there 6/26/1919. No records yet with names for John's mother or father to confirm he is Salomea's brother. Ship record lists he is from Szczucin. My mother never met his family but her mother said the Czubs in Chicago were cousins. > - Antoni Czub. born 3/21/1893 arrived 5/12/1912 lived in RI, Mass, and in Frankfort/Herkimer NY from mid 1920s forward, naturalized 1912 (?? from 1930 census). Father's name is Michael Czub (from ship record). Ship record lists he is from Delastowice. Ship record lists relative he is going to as Salomea Sarnik, his step-sister. My mother knew Antoni and called him uncle. > My first question: I would like to confirm the actual relationships of these relatives, especially Antoni and Salomea since we recently met the grandchildren on Antoni. The same father's name (Michael) and town are listed on ship records but Antoni's ship record lists Salomea as a step-sister. My mother and her siblings never heard reference of a 'step' relationship. There is a 17 year age difference between Salomea and Antoni so maybe they are half-siblings sharing the same father or children from 2 prior marriages? How would I verify the actual relationships between Salomea, John and Antoni? > Secondly. As I was searching names, there are ship records for other Czubs from Delastowice. If the ship records don't indicate a common relative, how might I determine if they are related? Examples. Karolina Czub arriving 1902, Piotr Czub arriving 1909. > Goodness. I appreciate any help or suggestions. Thank you so very much! > >

> I HAVE NO CLUE OF THE GIRLS MARRIED NAMES OR WHERE THEY LIVE. Mary, If the marriages do not appear in any marriage indexes that exist for where the girls grew up and were very likely to have married, then there are other ways to find married names. My favorite and the easiest is to find obituaries for as many known family members as you can. Those very often give women's married names as well as where they live and their husband's names. If you have a library card, you should be able to access either Newsbank or Proquest historical newspaper obituaries through a library database from home for free. If the obituaries appeared in the Detroit Free Press, that may be more of a problem as, the last I checked, very few libraries offer access to it, but you may find something in the other regular library newspaper databases. Also check Legacy.com and even Google or Yahoo or whatever search engine you like. Some obituaries do mention parents, nieces, nephews. It is a lot of work, but it can sometimes pay off with great information. Yes, it can be hard to contact or not hear back from family who might not want to help the researcher, it takes me a long time to recover from those failed connections. But once I recover, and try other family members, it always pays off to have gone through those rejections when I finally find a helpful or greatful family member.

The information provided in the December, 2007, Poland-Roots mailing list indicated that Stanley and Anna Gorniak and children were from Russian occupied Poland; they immigrated to Detroit in 1912, where they lived in Hamtramck. U. S. census records indicate that Polish was the language spoken in the home - an indicator that the family was Polish. As you indicated, their ship manifests indicated they were from Tokarnia, Kielce. The records you seek would be in civil and church records in the Kielce powiat, thought there would be no information about who raised Stanley/Stanislaus since this would be anecdotal, not official. Town names provided by Deborah Islander led to some excellent research by the mailing list members. The town names in those posts to the mailing lists were: Skiby, village Wojewodstwo (province): Swietokrzyskie Powiat (district): Kielce Gmina (township): Checiny Piekoszow, village, seat of the township Wojewodstwo: Swietokrzyskie Powiat: Kielce Gmina: Piekoszow postal code 26-065 Source: Poland-Roots December, 2007; subject lines contain Gorniak and Gurniak http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12 Roman Catholic church records for Checiny and Piekowszow have been filmed by the Latter Day Saints through 1884, which would contain information about Anna's family. Gorniak records would also be in the microfilms. Place search: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp Family History Center near you, where you can rent microfilm: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp You may also wish to use google.com to search for Kielce diocese for some additional helpful information. Google translate will help with this page for the Kielce diocese: http://www.kielce.opoka.org.pl/ translate.google.com There are Polish letter writing forms on the internet to aid in your correspondence for entities in Poland. Regards, Mary P.S. You emails may have been sent to the recipients' junk files or were deleted because they were written in all capital letters. On 3/14/2011 2:47 PM, [email protected] wrote: > FOUND DEBORAH ISLANDER. AND ALSO FOUND THE WHOLE FAMILY IN CA, TX, > AND OR. > NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK FARTHER. > HERE IS INFO I HAVE . ANY WAY I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FAMILYMEMBERS > IN POLAND ? ALSO WE ARE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT MY GRAND FATHER > STANISLAUS GORNIAK SAID HE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA ? > HERE IS THE LINK I FOUND ON ROOTS.COM. > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/)> _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS)> _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12)> > 1197560847 > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/)> _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS)> _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12)> > 1197475934 > WE WERE TOLD STANLEY AND ANNA ARE FROM RUSSIA /POLAND? NOT SURE WHY. > ALSO WONDERING ABOUT JEWISH ? > I HAVE BEEN RAISED ROMAN CHATHOLIC BY MY MOHTER WHO DIDED AT 40 . > STANLEY AND ANNA WERE CAHTOLIC. > > BUT WE WONDER IF THEY WERE RUSSIAN JEWS AND CAME TO AMERIA AS > CATHLOLIC POLES ? > > OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL > EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. OUR STANISLAUS GORNIAK LIVED WITH HIS > DAUGHTER AFTER ANNA DIED IN 1938. ANY PAPERS OUR GRANDFATHER HAD MUST HAVE > BEEN LEFT IN THE HOME. > > WE JUST ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM. > > ONE MALE COUSIN , SAID ''HE IS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA.'' > ALSO MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS HIS FATHER WAS SURE THAT '' STANLEY > WAS BORN IN RUSSIA '' > > I AM SURE GRANDPA STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA NOW THAT MY COUSIN WAS > SO POSSITIVE ABOUT IT. > BUT MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS THE POLISH/RUSSAN BORDER CHANGED A LOT. > > OF COARSE THE CHILDREN OF ANNA AND STANLEY ARE LONG GONE NOW. THE > LAST DAUGHTER DIED IN 2010 . SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS . > > MY MOTHER DIED IN 1967 WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I WAS OUT OF THE > FAMMILY LOOP FOR YEARS SINCE MY FATHER REMIARRIED QUICKLY . NOW I DO WANT > TO KNOW ABOUT MY MOTHERS FAMILY . > > > WE WERE HOPING FOR FIND A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR STANISLAUS GORNIAK > APIRL 12,1885 *( SOME SAY MARCH 30,1885 ) father joseph gorniak . > ALSO A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR ANNA PETRUS (PEITRUS)JUNE 15,1883 HER > MOTHER MEGALENA KRAJOSKI . IS THIS POSSIBLE? > STANLEY AND ANNA GORNIAK WERE MARRIED IN FEB 1908 TOKARNIA . A > MARRIAGE CERETIFICATE ? > MY MOTHER WAS THEIR LAST DAUGHTER BORN IN THE USA. HERE IS THE INFO I > GOT FROM A COUSIN......... > > > STORY I WAS TOLD ...... > OUR GREAT GRANDFATHER F.PIETRUS*(Ferynand Petrus) ***(ANNA'S > FATHER))))) > GRANDMOTHER *(ANNA) had TWO HALF SISTERS , JOSEPHINE PETRUS& > AGNES___?& 1 BROTHER STANLEY WHOM SHE BELIEVES HAD 2 SONS. ???? not sure > only stories to me > GRANDFATHER, STANISLAUS GORNIAK HAD 1 HALF BROTHER ___ WOJIC. > ???? > I WAS TOLD ...... > STANLEY GORNIAK WAS VERY SICK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG POCK MARKS ARE ON > THE IMMIGATION PAPERS FOR KNOWN MARKS. > > A MAN TOOK HIM IN& CARED FOR HIM. *(MIGHT HAVE BEEN JEWISH THE MAN > ?) > MY DAD SAYS GRANDPA SPOKE 3-4 LAUNGAGES . ONE OF THEM BEING > RUSSIAN,ONE POLISH.NOT SURE THE OTHER ONES. *STANLEY GORNIAK OUR GRANDPA WAS MY > DAD'S FATHER INLAW. > ANY RECORD OF A JEWISH FAMILY THAT MY HAVE RAISED MY GRANDFATHER > STANLEY ? > THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, > MARYANN GLAZA HUBEL >

Jim Tye, a long-time contributor of transcribed records, has donated marriage records for Nieciecza (1800-1870) and Konary (1800-1861) to PoandGenWeb's Transcribed Records project. These villages are in Małopolska province. The records can be found here: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/archives/konarymar2.html http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/archives/niecieczamar2.html Thanks to Jim for all he's contributed over the years! -Marie PolandGenWeb CC

Hello Mary Hubel, The location people state as to WHERE they were born reflects the name of the place when they were born. For example: my relative consistantly stated in Chicago, IL that he was born in PRUSSIA. His brother stated this as well, but in one document the city was stated as Rogasen. Rogasen is now called Rogozno, POLAND. If your relative was born in a place which was legally at the time of his birth called RUSSIA, or under RUSSIAN admistration, or occupation, then he would be correct to say he was born in Russia. But that exact place were he was born might now be Germany, Poland, or Russia. Borders change, due to wars, and other political factors. There was alot of changing of religions after people migrated. However, I don't think you should jump to conclusions just because the birthplace was listed as Russia. Not everyone from Russia was Jewish. If your relative lived as a Catholic then stick with that information until such time as you can find evidence or even a clue that he made a religion change. Allow yourself plenty of time to research the obvious facts and records and gathering of facts. I hope my advice is of use. Are you researching alone, or do you have siblings and or cousins helping you? If you are working alone, I could offer some free help to get you started. Let me know. Best regards, Lilly Martin ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 9:47 PM Subject: [POLAND] FROM MARY HUBEL > FOUND DEBORAH ISLANDER. AND ALSO FOUND THE WHOLE FAMILY IN CA, TX, > AND OR. > NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK FARTHER. > HERE IS INFO I HAVE . ANY WAY I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY > FAMILYMEMBERS > IN POLAND ? ALSO WE ARE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT MY GRAND FATHER > STANISLAUS GORNIAK SAID HE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA ? > HERE IS THE LINK I FOUND ON ROOTS.COM. > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > > 1197560847 > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > > 1197475934 > WE WERE TOLD STANLEY AND ANNA ARE FROM RUSSIA /POLAND? NOT SURE WHY. > ALSO WONDERING ABOUT JEWISH ? > I HAVE BEEN RAISED ROMAN CHATHOLIC BY MY MOHTER WHO DIDED AT 40 . > STANLEY AND ANNA WERE CAHTOLIC. > > BUT WE WONDER IF THEY WERE RUSSIAN JEWS AND CAME TO AMERIA AS > CATHLOLIC POLES ? > > OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL > EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. OUR STANISLAUS GORNIAK LIVED WITH HIS > DAUGHTER AFTER ANNA DIED IN 1938. ANY PAPERS OUR GRANDFATHER HAD MUST > HAVE > BEEN LEFT IN THE HOME. > > WE JUST ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM. > > ONE MALE COUSIN , SAID ''HE IS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA.'' > ALSO MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS HIS FATHER WAS SURE THAT '' STANLEY > WAS BORN IN RUSSIA '' > > I AM SURE GRANDPA STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA NOW THAT MY COUSIN WAS > SO POSSITIVE ABOUT IT. > BUT MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS THE POLISH/RUSSAN BORDER CHANGED A LOT. > > OF COARSE THE CHILDREN OF ANNA AND STANLEY ARE LONG GONE NOW. THE > LAST DAUGHTER DIED IN 2010 . SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS . > > MY MOTHER DIED IN 1967 WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I WAS OUT OF THE > FAMMILY LOOP FOR YEARS SINCE MY FATHER REMIARRIED QUICKLY . NOW I > DO WANT > TO KNOW ABOUT MY MOTHERS FAMILY . > > > WE WERE HOPING FOR FIND A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR STANISLAUS GORNIAK > APIRL 12,1885 *( SOME SAY MARCH 30,1885 ) father joseph gorniak . > ALSO A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR ANNA PETRUS (PEITRUS)JUNE 15,1883 HER > MOTHER MEGALENA KRAJOSKI . IS THIS POSSIBLE? > STANLEY AND ANNA GORNIAK WERE MARRIED IN FEB 1908 TOKARNIA . A > MARRIAGE CERETIFICATE ? > MY MOTHER WAS THEIR LAST DAUGHTER BORN IN THE USA. HERE IS THE INFO > I > GOT FROM A COUSIN......... > > > STORY I WAS TOLD ...... > OUR GREAT GRANDFATHER F.PIETRUS*(Ferynand Petrus) ***(ANNA'S > FATHER))))) > GRANDMOTHER *(ANNA) had TWO HALF SISTERS , JOSEPHINE PETRUS & > AGNES___? & 1 BROTHER STANLEY WHOM SHE BELIEVES HAD 2 SONS. ???? not > sure > only stories to me > GRANDFATHER, STANISLAUS GORNIAK HAD 1 HALF BROTHER ___ WOJIC. > ???? > I WAS TOLD ...... > STANLEY GORNIAK WAS VERY SICK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG POCK MARKS ARE ON > THE IMMIGATION PAPERS FOR KNOWN MARKS. > > A MAN TOOK HIM IN & CARED FOR HIM. *(MIGHT HAVE BEEN JEWISH THE > MAN > ?) > MY DAD SAYS GRANDPA SPOKE 3-4 LAUNGAGES . ONE OF THEM BEING > RUSSIAN,ONE POLISH.NOT SURE THE OTHER ONES. *STANLEY GORNIAK OUR GRANDPA > WAS MY > DAD'S FATHER INLAW. > ANY RECORD OF A JEWISH FAMILY THAT MY HAVE RAISED MY GRANDFATHER > STANLEY ? > THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, > MARYANN GLAZA HUBEL

Mary, "The Cohens" gave you a good suggestion. When I first started my research I sent a blank "Family Group Sheet" to the oldest member in each of my lines via mail (pre-computers). I included a little information so the person would understand how to fill out that form. I included a letter and a self-addressed stamped envelope. Everyone returned the forms full of information. From that point on it was easier to get information from them though only one cousin still updates me. She had 11 kids so she always has lots of info. I found addresses for these people in my mother's and grandmother's personal address books. Computers are easier and faster but letters are more personal. Debbie the cohens wrote: >> OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL > EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. > > People's email addresses do change, and they also get too busy to even > look at email even if that email address has not changed. > > If you know where your cousins live, and it is in the USA or Canada, > you might consider phoning them instead because a phone call is harder > to ignore than an email or letter. But be prepared with the one or > two most important things you want to ask, in case you have trouble > getting ahold of them again. > > If you reach a machine, I personally think it is better to call again > instead of leaving a message, some other day when you might reach > someone live. > > If you do not have phone numbers and they live in the USA, you can try > http://411.com or http://whitepages.com > > If you are not sure where they live in the USA, there are public > records sites on my finding aids page, the public records sites have > lots of free information if you don't click on their "View Details" > buttons. And can help you figure out where someone lives. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thecohens/findingaids.html > > But I really think it is better to first get as much information as > you can from the records available, using some of the resources > Bronwyn listed to help you do that. > > If you do call, or do write family again, it is best to keep it > simple, and not ask everything at once, people do get overwhelmed. It > helps if you have done research and can share information they might > find interesting. >

--- On Tue, 3/15/11, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > I DID CALL  MY  COUSIN. HE > IS THE ONLY AND  OLDEST BOY  OF  HIS  > FAMILY.  Mary: I have one request and two suggestions: 1) Please do not write in ALL CAPS. It is considered shouting on the internet and bad form. If you have vision problems, ask someone how to adjust the fonts and font sizes on your computer screen. 2) Have you found these people in the census of 1930 or 1920? Your local library may have access to Ancestry.com, if you do not. 3) If you know where these people were living or died, have you seen their obits? Many papers are available online now. Obits, if written well, tell where or when they arrived in the USA. 4) Utilize the resources of the Polish Genealogy Societies in the USA--PGS of America, California, Northeast are excellent and you should find them and their websites utilizing Google. 5) There is more than one way to skin a cat (sorry cat lovers--just an expression). Check the Social Security Death Index for those you know and double check where they died. The SSDI shows their SS#. They you can write for the SS application of those born outside the US. A costly way to do it (over $30), but effective. You will have the information directly from the source. Pray they didn't just write "Russia". :) Well, that's more than two, but whatever works. [email protected]

I DID CALL MY COUSIN. HE IS THE ONLY AND OLDEST BOY OF HIS FAMILY. HE SAID THE GIRLS WOULD HAVE THE INFORMMATION. HE GAVE ME 12 EMAILS . HIS SISTER AND HIS NICECES AND NEPHEWS. THEIR WORK EMAILS EVEN SO THEY DO READ THEM THAT AUNT NEVER DID GET ALONG OR SHARE WITH THE REST OF THE FAMILY. I GUESS IT CONTINUES. I HAVE NO CLUE OF THE GIRLS MARRIED NAMES OR WHERE THEY LIVE. THE CHANGE OF NAMES OF WOMAN MAKES IT ALL HARD. HE WAS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA BUT DID NOT SAY WHY HE WAS SO SURE. EXCEPT TO SAY HIS OLDEST SISTER HAS ALL THE INFO AND PICTURES OF THE FAMILY NOT HIM . I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE GIRLS DO NOT EVEN TALK TO EACH OTHER. SO YES YOU HAVE GOOD IDEAS BUT WITH THIS FMAILY THAT I AM TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS WILLNOT WORK . THANKS, MARY HUBEL > OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. People's email addresses do change, and they also get too busy to even look at email even if that email address has not changed. If you know where your cousins live, and it is in the USA or Canada, you might consider phoning them instead because a phone call is harder to ignore than an email or letter. But be prepared with the one or two most important things you want to ask, in case you have trouble getting ahold of them again. If you reach a machine, I personally think it is better to call again instead of leaving a message, some other day when you might reach someone live. If you do not have phone numbers and they live in the USA, you can try http://411.com or http://whitepages.com If you are not sure where they live in the USA, there are public records sites on my finding aids page, the public records sites have lots of free information if you don't click on their "View Details" buttons. And can help you figure out where someone lives. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thecohens/findingaids.html But I really think it is better to first get as much information as you can from the records available, using some of the resources Bronwyn listed to help you do that. If you do call, or do write family again, it is best to keep it simple, and not ask everything at once, people do get overwhelmed. It helps if you have done research and can share information they might find interesting. ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at [email protected] ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maryann, Do you know when this family came to America? If not have you found census records which might give you a clue? Have you looked at birth, death and marriage records for extended family members in America? Your aim should be to try and find the name of a town or village which they came from; without that you will not be able to start to look for (possibly Polish) records. Yes, the borders changed a lot: http://donhoward.net/genpoland/genpoland/polhistory.htm There is good information on researching Polish ancestors: https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Poland And some excellent videos: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/education/frameset_education.asp?PAGE=education_research_series_online.asp%3FActiveTab=2 >>> Poland Research View Download Feedback *Introduction to Polish Research* (53 minutes) sponsor: Ceil Wendt Jensen MA, CG <http://mipolonia.net/> Video<http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Community/Independent/Introduction_to_Polish_Research/player.html> Give feedback<https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_06CopwuM4HntRw8&course=Poland%20Research> *Advanced Polish Research* (49 minutes) sponsor: Ceil Wendt Jensen MA, CG <http://mipolonia.net/> Video<http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Community/Independent/Advanced_Polish_Research/player.html> Give feedback<https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_06CopwuM4HntRw8&course=Poland%20Research> *Polish Displaced Persons* (43 minutes) sponsor: Ceil Wendt Jensen MA, CG <http://mipolonia.net/> Video<http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Community/Independent/Polish_Displaced_Persons/player.html> Class outline (pdf)<http://www.familysearch.org/eng/lessons/Polish_Displaced_Persons_handout.pdf> Give feedback<https://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_06CopwuM4HntRw8&course=Poland%20Research> Good luck, Bronwyn. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > FOUND DEBORAH ISLANDER. AND ALSO FOUND THE WHOLE FAMILY IN CA, TX, > AND OR. > NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK FARTHER. > HERE IS INFO I HAVE . ANY WAY I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FAMILYMEMBERS > IN POLAND ? ALSO WE ARE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT MY GRAND FATHER > STANISLAUS GORNIAK SAID HE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA ? > HERE IS THE LINK I FOUND ON ROOTS.COM. > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > > 1197560847 > _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ > (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > > 1197475934 > WE WERE TOLD STANLEY AND ANNA ARE FROM RUSSIA /POLAND? NOT SURE WHY. > ALSO WONDERING ABOUT JEWISH ? > I HAVE BEEN RAISED ROMAN CHATHOLIC BY MY MOHTER WHO DIDED AT 40 . > STANLEY AND ANNA WERE CAHTOLIC. > > BUT WE WONDER IF THEY WERE RUSSIAN JEWS AND CAME TO AMERIA AS > CATHLOLIC POLES ? > > OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL > EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. OUR STANISLAUS GORNIAK LIVED WITH HIS > DAUGHTER AFTER ANNA DIED IN 1938. ANY PAPERS OUR GRANDFATHER HAD MUST > HAVE > BEEN LEFT IN THE HOME. > > WE JUST ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM. > > ONE MALE COUSIN , SAID ''HE IS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA.'' > ALSO MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS HIS FATHER WAS SURE THAT '' STANLEY > WAS BORN IN RUSSIA '' > > I AM SURE GRANDPA STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA NOW THAT MY COUSIN WAS > SO POSSITIVE ABOUT IT. > BUT MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS THE POLISH/RUSSAN BORDER CHANGED A LOT. > > OF COARSE THE CHILDREN OF ANNA AND STANLEY ARE LONG GONE NOW. THE > LAST DAUGHTER DIED IN 2010 . SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS . > > MY MOTHER DIED IN 1967 WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I WAS OUT OF THE > FAMMILY LOOP FOR YEARS SINCE MY FATHER REMIARRIED QUICKLY . NOW I DO > WANT > TO KNOW ABOUT MY MOTHERS FAMILY . > > > WE WERE HOPING FOR FIND A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR STANISLAUS GORNIAK > APIRL 12,1885 *( SOME SAY MARCH 30,1885 ) father joseph gorniak . > ALSO A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR ANNA PETRUS (PEITRUS)JUNE 15,1883 HER > MOTHER MEGALENA KRAJOSKI . IS THIS POSSIBLE? > STANLEY AND ANNA GORNIAK WERE MARRIED IN FEB 1908 TOKARNIA . A > MARRIAGE CERETIFICATE ? > MY MOTHER WAS THEIR LAST DAUGHTER BORN IN THE USA. HERE IS THE INFO I > GOT FROM A COUSIN......... > > > STORY I WAS TOLD ...... > OUR GREAT GRANDFATHER F.PIETRUS*(Ferynand Petrus) ***(ANNA'S > FATHER))))) > GRANDMOTHER *(ANNA) had TWO HALF SISTERS , JOSEPHINE PETRUS & > AGNES___? & 1 BROTHER STANLEY WHOM SHE BELIEVES HAD 2 SONS. ???? not > sure > only stories to me > GRANDFATHER, STANISLAUS GORNIAK HAD 1 HALF BROTHER ___ WOJIC. > ???? > I WAS TOLD ...... > STANLEY GORNIAK WAS VERY SICK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG POCK MARKS ARE ON > THE IMMIGATION PAPERS FOR KNOWN MARKS. > > A MAN TOOK HIM IN & CARED FOR HIM. *(MIGHT HAVE BEEN JEWISH THE MAN > ?) > MY DAD SAYS GRANDPA SPOKE 3-4 LAUNGAGES . ONE OF THEM BEING > RUSSIAN,ONE POLISH.NOT SURE THE OTHER ONES. *STANLEY GORNIAK OUR GRANDPA > WAS MY > DAD'S FATHER INLAW. > ANY RECORD OF A JEWISH FAMILY THAT MY HAVE RAISED MY GRANDFATHER > STANLEY ? > THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, > MARYANN GLAZA HUBEL >

> OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. People's email addresses do change, and they also get too busy to even look at email even if that email address has not changed. If you know where your cousins live, and it is in the USA or Canada, you might consider phoning them instead because a phone call is harder to ignore than an email or letter. But be prepared with the one or two most important things you want to ask, in case you have trouble getting ahold of them again. If you reach a machine, I personally think it is better to call again instead of leaving a message, some other day when you might reach someone live. If you do not have phone numbers and they live in the USA, you can try http://411.com or http://whitepages.com If you are not sure where they live in the USA, there are public records sites on my finding aids page, the public records sites have lots of free information if you don't click on their "View Details" buttons. And can help you figure out where someone lives. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~thecohens/findingaids.html But I really think it is better to first get as much information as you can from the records available, using some of the resources Bronwyn listed to help you do that. If you do call, or do write family again, it is best to keep it simple, and not ask everything at once, people do get overwhelmed. It helps if you have done research and can share information they might find interesting.

FOUND DEBORAH ISLANDER. AND ALSO FOUND THE WHOLE FAMILY IN CA, TX, AND OR. NOW WE ARE TRYING TO GET BACK FARTHER. HERE IS INFO I HAVE . ANY WAY I CAN SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FAMILYMEMBERS IN POLAND ? ALSO WE ARE QUESTIONING THE FACT THAT MY GRAND FATHER STANISLAUS GORNIAK SAID HE WAS BORN IN RUSSIA ? HERE IS THE LINK I FOUND ON ROOTS.COM. _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > 1197560847 _Archiver_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/) > _POLAND-ROOTS_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS) > _2007-12_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/POLAND-ROOTS/2007-12) > 1197475934 WE WERE TOLD STANLEY AND ANNA ARE FROM RUSSIA /POLAND? NOT SURE WHY. ALSO WONDERING ABOUT JEWISH ? I HAVE BEEN RAISED ROMAN CHATHOLIC BY MY MOHTER WHO DIDED AT 40 . STANLEY AND ANNA WERE CAHTOLIC. BUT WE WONDER IF THEY WERE RUSSIAN JEWS AND CAME TO AMERIA AS CATHLOLIC POLES ? OUR COUSINS MIGHT HAVE ANSWERS. BUT NOT ONE OF THEIR FAMILY WILL EVEN REPLY TO OUR EMAILS. OUR STANISLAUS GORNIAK LIVED WITH HIS DAUGHTER AFTER ANNA DIED IN 1938. ANY PAPERS OUR GRANDFATHER HAD MUST HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE HOME. WE JUST ALL WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM. ONE MALE COUSIN , SAID ''HE IS SURE GRANDPA WAS BORN IN RUSSIA.'' ALSO MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS HIS FATHER WAS SURE THAT '' STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA '' I AM SURE GRANDPA STANLEY WAS BORN IN RUSSIA NOW THAT MY COUSIN WAS SO POSSITIVE ABOUT IT. BUT MY OTHER COUSIN SAYS THE POLISH/RUSSAN BORDER CHANGED A LOT. OF COARSE THE CHILDREN OF ANNA AND STANLEY ARE LONG GONE NOW. THE LAST DAUGHTER DIED IN 2010 . SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMEMBER THINGS . MY MOTHER DIED IN 1967 WHEN I WAS A CHILD. I WAS OUT OF THE FAMMILY LOOP FOR YEARS SINCE MY FATHER REMIARRIED QUICKLY . NOW I DO WANT TO KNOW ABOUT MY MOTHERS FAMILY . WE WERE HOPING FOR FIND A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR STANISLAUS GORNIAK APIRL 12,1885 *( SOME SAY MARCH 30,1885 ) father joseph gorniak . ALSO A BIRTH CERETIFICATE FOR ANNA PETRUS (PEITRUS)JUNE 15,1883 HER MOTHER MEGALENA KRAJOSKI . IS THIS POSSIBLE? STANLEY AND ANNA GORNIAK WERE MARRIED IN FEB 1908 TOKARNIA . A MARRIAGE CERETIFICATE ? MY MOTHER WAS THEIR LAST DAUGHTER BORN IN THE USA. HERE IS THE INFO I GOT FROM A COUSIN......... STORY I WAS TOLD ...... OUR GREAT GRANDFATHER F.PIETRUS*(Ferynand Petrus) ***(ANNA'S FATHER))))) GRANDMOTHER *(ANNA) had TWO HALF SISTERS , JOSEPHINE PETRUS & AGNES___? & 1 BROTHER STANLEY WHOM SHE BELIEVES HAD 2 SONS. ???? not sure only stories to me GRANDFATHER, STANISLAUS GORNIAK HAD 1 HALF BROTHER ___ WOJIC. ???? I WAS TOLD ...... STANLEY GORNIAK WAS VERY SICK WHEN HE WAS YOUNG POCK MARKS ARE ON THE IMMIGATION PAPERS FOR KNOWN MARKS. A MAN TOOK HIM IN & CARED FOR HIM. *(MIGHT HAVE BEEN JEWISH THE MAN ?) MY DAD SAYS GRANDPA SPOKE 3-4 LAUNGAGES . ONE OF THEM BEING RUSSIAN,ONE POLISH.NOT SURE THE OTHER ONES. *STANLEY GORNIAK OUR GRANDPA WAS MY DAD'S FATHER INLAW. ANY RECORD OF A JEWISH FAMILY THAT MY HAVE RAISED MY GRANDFATHER STANLEY ? THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP, MARYANN GLAZA HUBEL

Debbie Greenlee has transcribed tombstones for the cemetery in Biecz (old woj. krosno) and has donated these transcriptions to PolandGenWeb. See this link to view her latest contribution: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/archives/bieczcem.html Many, many thanks go to Debbie for her continued contributions to PolandGenWeb's Transcribed Records project! -Marie coordinator, PolandGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~polwgw/index.html

I thought the following letter might be of some interest to the members of this list. My translation is after the original message. Weitergeleitete Nachricht: > Betreff: [Sudeten.bms-l] nach WK I - Optanten für polnis che Staatsangehörigkeit > > Liebe Kolleginnen und Kollegen, > > ein Zufallsfund, vielleicht für manche interessant: > > auf der Seite > http://www.kinematographie.de/POLEN.HTM > > finden Sie alphabetisch sortiert die Namen von 1.205 Personen, die > gemäss Art. 91 Abs. 4 des Vertrages von Versailles für die > polnische Staatsangehörigkeit optiert haben und das deutsche Reich > verlassen mussten. > > Der link kann gerne an weitere Listen weitergegeben werden. > > Herzliche Grüße > Renate Fennes This is my translation: Forwarded announcement: RE: [Sudeten.bms-l] after WW1 - opting for Polish citenzenship Dear Male and Female colleagues, a fortuitous find, perhaps of interest to many: on the site http://www.kinematographie.de/POLEN.HTM you can find alphabetically sorted the names of 1,205 persons, who in accordance with Article 91 Section 4 of the Versailles Treaty, opted for Polish citezenship and were required to leave Germany. The link can gladly be forwarded to other lists. Heartfelt greetings, Renate Fennes

I just noted that I may have overstated the "tens of thousands" of Poles who perished in that one battle. A bit of hyperbole as a proud member of Polonia! Seriously, I have studied these wars in my university years as a history major in the late 60s and early 70s. But new sources come to light all the time!! These battles were and are compared to the battles of the Civil War Certainly there were hundreds, most likely some thousands of Poles who were casualties in the German wars of the 1860s (killed, wounded, missing). And all are relatives of our ancestors. I just want to put some of this into perspective. Is the 1870-71 casualty list below, those killed in action, wounded or whatever. I have no experience on such information and sincerely ask the exact source. Lindy Kasperski Regina, SK Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lindy Kasperski Sent: March-07-11 1:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND] Myrithin Clarification/Prussian wars The Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71 was the last of 3 wars, directed by Chancellor Otto von Bismarck under the Hohenzollern Prussian monarchy, that culminated in the declaration of the German Empire in 1871. Following the Congress of Vienna (1815) that ended the Napoleonic Wars, Prussia had become the dominant German state but had been competing against the Habsburgs of Austria for German hegemony a few hundred years. Having won all the wars in the 1860s, Prussia then declared the German Empire in 1871 (ironically, the declaration was made in the Versailles Palace outside Paris because of the victory). Ironically this would be the same venue of the treaties that ended WW1. Not to take this too far off subject, but this has prompted me to check if similar casualty lists are available for the Austro-Prussian war of 1866, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War This is not a very good article as is seems to ignore that Hungary, Galicia and Bukowina were part of the Austrian Empire at that time. There would have been tens of thousands on both sides who were conscripted Poles that perished in the battle of Koniggratz (Sadowa), Czech Republic today, in 1866 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_K%C3%B6niggr%C3%A4tz Lindy Kasperski Regina, SK Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: March-07-11 1:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND] Myrithin Clarification! List: By typed he means: TYPESET as in an old book! A digitized copy of a compilation of German casualty lists from 1870-71 in printed German script. Dozens and dozens of Polish names here. Polish [email protected] --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Dee's Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: > I wonder if Myrithin is a modern typo > as it is a name for an arthritis drug. ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at [email protected] ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at [email protected] ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The name Myrithin is obviously an error. It is not Polish, it is not German, it is not Ukrainian, it is not Latin. So giving you any hints (wild guesses, really) is pointless until you find the original document from which this transcript was made. Ancestry.com transcripts are not a reliable source in terms of the names of people and/or the names of the places from non-English speaking countries. Many, many transcripts are horribly misspelled, garbled and just plain wrong. People who did/do the transcripts have no knowledge of the languages involved, the era, the geography, the history and the handwriting styles of the time, and because of that they cannot form the correct word associations as a native could when the writing is hard to decipher. Only by looking at the original you might get an indication of what was actually written there. But even that is not a guarantee that the place name was spelled correctly! It all depends if it was written down just by hearing the name being spoken (and who the scribe was - a native speaker or a foreigner) or written down from an official document like a passport or a travel document. But, the worst original is always better than the best transcript. Always! Any transcript - coming from the Ancestry.com, Ellis Island or whatever.com - should be taken with a great dose of salt. You must make an effort to find the original document, and take it from there. That's the bad news! But the good news is that the original obviously exists if there is a transcript made from it. ella

The Franco-Prussian War of 1870-71 was the last of 3 wars, directed by Chancellor Otto von Bismarck under the Hohenzollern Prussian monarchy, that culminated in the declaration of the German Empire in 1871. Following the Congress of Vienna (1815) that ended the Napoleonic Wars, Prussia had become the dominant German state but had been competing against the Habsburgs of Austria for German hegemony a few hundred years. Having won all the wars in the 1860s, Prussia then declared the German Empire in 1871 (ironically, the declaration was made in the Versailles Palace outside Paris because of the victory). Ironically this would be the same venue of the treaties that ended WW1. Not to take this too far off subject, but this has prompted me to check if similar casualty lists are available for the Austro-Prussian war of 1866, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austro-Prussian_War This is not a very good article as is seems to ignore that Hungary, Galicia and Bukowina were part of the Austrian Empire at that time. There would have been tens of thousands on both sides who were conscripted Poles that perished in the battle of Koniggratz (Sadowa), Czech Republic today, in 1866 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_K%C3%B6niggr%C3%A4tz Lindy Kasperski Regina, SK Canada -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: March-07-11 1:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [POLAND] POLAND] Myrithin Clarification! List: By typed he means: TYPESET as in an old book! A digitized copy of a compilation of German casualty lists from 1870-71 in printed German script. Dozens and dozens of Polish names here. Polish [email protected] --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Dee's Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: > I wonder if Myrithin is a modern typo > as it is a name for an arthritis drug. ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at [email protected] ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

List: By typed he means: TYPESET as in an old book! A digitized copy of a compilation of German casualty lists from 1870-71 in printed German script. Dozens and dozens of Polish names here. Polish [email protected] --- On Mon, 3/7/11, Dee's Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: > I wonder if Myrithin is a modern typo > as it is a name for an arthritis drug.

That typed document (was it a passenger list or manifest?) may well have been a typed transcription of a document that was originally handwritten. So don't discount the possibility that Myrithin really is a poor transcription of Mycielin, even if it is typewritten. I have seen typed instances of known Polish birthplaces being whacky renditions, in studying dozens of passenger lists for my Weinzimmers from places like Myshnitz and Prushnitz, neither of which even I can ever remember the precise spelling of even though I have the correct spellings in my records. On 3/7/11, JD <[email protected]> wrote: > Paul, Thanks for your suggestion that Myrithin may be Mycielin. > I considered the fact that Myrithin may actually be Mycielin but the > document at Ancestry.com is typed and very distinct....