Thanks Debbie. -----Original Message----- From: Debbie Greenlee [mailto:daveg@airmail.net] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:22 PM To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com Cc: lturban@verizon.net; kelsa@epix.net Subject: Re: [POLAND] Sur name Piwowarczyk Len, LDS has not filmed the church records for Skalnik so you will have to write to the parish, in Polish, and ask for a photocopy or digital image of Andrzej Piwowarczyk's baptismal record. You could also request a photocopy or digital image of his parents' marriage record or at the very least, a complete transcription of the records. You don't just want a certificate. Make sure to ask where the records are located if they are not at the parish. do not send money up front but do ask how you can make a donation. Address: Parafia Rzymskokatolicka w Skalniku p.w. Sw. Klemensa Papieza Skalnik 35 38-230 Nowy Zmigród Poland web site: http://www.parafiaskalnik.pl/ A good format to use for your letter and suggestions for the Polish phrases to use can be found here at "PolishRoots The Polish Genealogy Source": http://www.polishroots.org/Research/letters_polish/tabid/294/Default.aspx As for your grandmother, Wiktoria Meleski, I think the village is Torki. Request the same types of records as you did for Andrzej. address: Parafia rzymsko-katolicka Torki 24 37-732 Medyka Poland Debbie len urban wrote: > Recently, I have found that my paternal grandfather (Andrzej > Piwowarczyk) was born in Skalnik, Poland. His naturalization papers > list his birthplace as Skalnik, Austria. I have two dates for his > birthdate. The one on his naturalization papers is the 30th of > November, 1875. The other, on his Marriage License Docket, is the 20th > of December 1867. Based on a comparison to my grandmothers age, his > age at the time of his marriage and the birth of his first daughter > the most likely date is 1867. My question is: Is there a source of civil records for Skalnik and if so how do I contact them? > > > His wife (my grandmother Victoria Meleski) was born on the 4th of > January, > 1871 in Toki, Austria (now Poland). Again, the same question applies. > > Thanks > Len Urban >

Recently, I have found that my paternal grandfather (Andrzej Piwowarczyk) was born in Skalnik, Poland. His naturalization papers list his birthplace as Skalnik, Austria. I have two dates for his birthdate. The one on his naturalization papers is the 30th of November, 1875. The other, on his Marriage License Docket, is the 20th of December 1867. Based on a comparison to my grandmothers age, his age at the time of his marriage and the birth of his first daughter the most likely date is 1867. My question is: Is there a source of civil records for Skalnik and if so how do I contact them? His wife (my grandmother Victoria Meleski) was born on the 4th of January, 1871 in Toki, Austria (now Poland). Again, the same question applies. Thanks Len Urban

Thanks are due to Gizmo 21323 for finding that painting of the storks in flight over the farmer's field.  Apparently it is in a gallery in Chelm. Now many more of out listers can see the relationship of these birds to our ancestors.   

That's a great painting Gizmo! Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gizmo21323@aol.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com>; <Poland-Roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Fwd: storks and Polish culture > > _http://artystyczna-galeria.pl/img/zamowienia/chelm4.JPG_ > (http://artystyczna-galeria.pl/img/zamowienia/chelm4.JPG) > > > > In a message dated 4/12/2012 6:15:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > wmurawski@comcast.net writes: > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > From: wmurawski@comcast.net > To: poland-roots-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:30:16 PM > Subject: storks and Polish culture > > > > > There is a painting of a Polish farmer and his son taking a break in the > field after plowing the land. They are looking up and seeing a flight of > storks flying overhead. > > A beautiful picture.. It is entitled "Storks"' (Bociany ) It was > painted by Jozef Chelmonski in 1914. > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list > as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sophie, I never had a cucumber patch, but my dad would try to grow a few cucumbers at my backyard fence. He, too, loved cucumbers with sour cream. Thank you for answering. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <gottemollers@gmail.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching Cucumber patch: if you ever had a good sized garden you know that the leafs are of varied sizes and the veggies hide under the leaves. My grandmother loved fresh cucumber, fried, pickeled and some were stored in their under ground "refrigerator" and used for a short time. My Dad's favorite was cucumbers with chopped green onions and sour cream dressing. Still make and my grown up kids are keeping up the family favorite. It is true....my kids were never allowed near the cucumbers.......Sophie On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> wrote: > Jane, > > Storks build their nests in tall trees, on chimney tops and at the top > of electric poles. You can imagine how bad an idea it is to build on > the last two. > > Often people will build a platform at the top of a barn, dead tree or > something else that is high-up to encourage storks to build a nest there. > > The Ustron~ stork web site was originally installed to teach Polish > school children about storks and to give them a better understanding > of their national bird. Between now and August when they leave, it can > get pretty entertaining. Now that both adults are in the nest there > will be lots of clacking (that's how they identify each other and this > is passed along to the babies), mating (oops you just missed an > attempt), egg laying (2-4 eggs), eggs hatching and hopefully the > storklets growing up to learn to fly and leave the nest. > http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ > Click on "STREAM - GNIAZDO W USTRONIU" for live web cam. > > BTW Gniazdo is nest, Bociany is stork. > > Can't help you with the cucumber (ogórek) patch. > > Debbie > > Jane Simmons wrote: >> Thanks for the insight Sophie. Where did they build their nests? Also, >> why >> shouldn't you walk through the cucumber patch? >> >> Jane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <gottemollers@gmail.com> >> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching >> >> >> Storks in Poland are an old custom and very important. My Dad, born >> in Poland and lived there until he was 25 years old said there were >> two sacred laws. The first was that they are NEVER to walk through >> the cucumber patch and the second was to enjoy watching the storks and >> realizing that they bring good luck......but do not touch or in any >> way throw things at the nest or the storks. So it is important, I >> think of my Dad every stork season time and can't figure out how he or >> his brothers could possibly throw anything at the nest. Every culture >> has its own customs and for me it is an important one. Sophie >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Remick <ralph.remick@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Will someone please explain to me what STORK WATCHING has to do with >>> researching Polish roots? >>> >>> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >>> as >>> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic researching our >>> Polish >>> roots. >>> - > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Debbie, That streaming video is great! I wonder why my parents never mentioned storks and their nest-building. They both grew up on farms, so I would imagine they would have known something about them. Unfortunately, they're gone now. My dad was a particularly knowledgeable man regarding nature, etc. I think he played hookey from school a lot, preferring to be outdoors, so he did know a lot about nature, yet no mention of storks. Thank you for this information. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching Jane, Storks build their nests in tall trees, on chimney tops and at the top of electric poles. You can imagine how bad an idea it is to build on the last two. Often people will build a platform at the top of a barn, dead tree or something else that is high-up to encourage storks to build a nest there. The Ustron~ stork web site was originally installed to teach Polish school children about storks and to give them a better understanding of their national bird. Between now and August when they leave, it can get pretty entertaining. Now that both adults are in the nest there will be lots of clacking (that's how they identify each other and this is passed along to the babies), mating (oops you just missed an attempt), egg laying (2-4 eggs), eggs hatching and hopefully the storklets growing up to learn to fly and leave the nest. http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ Click on "STREAM - GNIAZDO W USTRONIU" for live web cam. BTW Gniazdo is nest, Bociany is stork. Can't help you with the cucumber (ogórek) patch. Debbie Jane Simmons wrote: > Thanks for the insight Sophie. Where did they build their nests? Also, > why > shouldn't you walk through the cucumber patch? > > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <gottemollers@gmail.com> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching > > > Storks in Poland are an old custom and very important. My Dad, born > in Poland and lived there until he was 25 years old said there were > two sacred laws. The first was that they are NEVER to walk through > the cucumber patch and the second was to enjoy watching the storks and > realizing that they bring good luck......but do not touch or in any > way throw things at the nest or the storks. So it is important, I > think of my Dad every stork season time and can't figure out how he or > his brothers could possibly throw anything at the nest. Every culture > has its own customs and for me it is an important one. Sophie > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Remick <ralph.remick@gmail.com> wrote: >> Will someone please explain to me what STORK WATCHING has to do with >> researching Polish roots? >> >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >> as >> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic researching our >> Polish >> roots. >> - ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane, I am sure when you were younger you had "better" things to do then listen to what the older generation was talking about. Everyday common things don't seem all that special to us. Do you talk to your kids and grandchildren about Robins or Bluebirds or whatever birds hang around your area? Do you talk to them about their heritage? Don't miss the opportunity. Debbie Jane Simmons wrote: > Debbie, > > That streaming video is great! I wonder why my parents never mentioned > storks and their nest-building. They both grew up on farms, so I would > imagine they would have known something about them. Unfortunately, they're > gone now. > > My dad was a particularly knowledgeable man regarding nature, etc. I think > he played hookey from school a lot, preferring to be outdoors, so he did > know a lot about nature, yet no mention of storks. > > Thank you for this information. > > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching > > > Jane, > > Storks build their nests in tall trees, on chimney tops and at the top > of electric poles. You can imagine how bad an idea it is to build on > the last two. > > Often people will build a platform at the top of a barn, dead tree or > something else that is high-up to encourage storks to build a nest there. > > The Ustron~ stork web site was originally installed to teach Polish > school children about storks and to give them a better understanding > of their national bird. Between now and August when they leave, it can > get pretty entertaining. Now that both adults are in the nest there > will be lots of clacking (that's how they identify each other and this > is passed along to the babies), mating (oops you just missed an > attempt), egg laying (2-4 eggs), eggs hatching and hopefully the > storklets growing up to learn to fly and leave the nest. > http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ > Click on "STREAM - GNIAZDO W USTRONIU" for live web cam. > > BTW Gniazdo is nest, Bociany is stork. > > Can't help you with the cucumber (ogórek) patch. > > Debbie > > Jane Simmons wrote: >> Thanks for the insight Sophie. Where did they build their nests? Also, >> why >> shouldn't you walk through the cucumber patch? >> >> Jane >

Jane, I am sure when you were younger you had "better" things to do then listen to what the older generation was talking about. Everyday common things don't seem all that special to us. Do you talk to your kids about Robins or Bluebirds or whatever birds hang around your area? Do you talk to them about their heritage? Don't miss the opportunity. Debbie Jane Simmons wrote: > Debbie, > > That streaming video is great! I wonder why my parents never mentioned > storks and their nest-building. They both grew up on farms, so I would > imagine they would have known something about them. Unfortunately, they're > gone now. > > My dad was a particularly knowledgeable man regarding nature, etc. I think > he played hookey from school a lot, preferring to be outdoors, so he did > know a lot about nature, yet no mention of storks. > > Thank you for this information. > > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching > > > Jane, > > Storks build their nests in tall trees, on chimney tops and at the top > of electric poles. You can imagine how bad an idea it is to build on > the last two. > > Often people will build a platform at the top of a barn, dead tree or > something else that is high-up to encourage storks to build a nest there. > > The Ustron~ stork web site was originally installed to teach Polish > school children about storks and to give them a better understanding > of their national bird. Between now and August when they leave, it can > get pretty entertaining. Now that both adults are in the nest there > will be lots of clacking (that's how they identify each other and this > is passed along to the babies), mating (oops you just missed an > attempt), egg laying (2-4 eggs), eggs hatching and hopefully the > storklets growing up to learn to fly and leave the nest. > http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ > Click on "STREAM - GNIAZDO W USTRONIU" for live web cam. > > BTW Gniazdo is nest, Bociany is stork. > > Can't help you with the cucumber (ogórek) patch. > > Debbie > > Jane Simmons wrote: >> Thanks for the insight Sophie. Where did they build their nests? Also, >> why >> shouldn't you walk through the cucumber patch? >> >> Jane >

_http://artystyczna-galeria.pl/img/zamowienia/chelm4.JPG_ (http://artystyczna-galeria.pl/img/zamowienia/chelm4.JPG) In a message dated 4/12/2012 6:15:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wmurawski@comcast.net writes: ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: wmurawski@comcast.net To: poland-roots-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:30:16 PM Subject: storks and Polish culture There is a painting of a Polish farmer and his son taking a break in the field after plowing the land. They are looking up and seeing a flight of storks flying overhead. A beautiful picture.. It is entitled "Storks"' (Bociany ) It was painted by Jozef Chelmonski in 1914. ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Forwarded Message ----- From: wmurawski@comcast.net To: poland-roots-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:30:16 PM Subject: storks and Polish culture There is a painting of a Polish farmer and his son taking a break in the field after plowing the land. They are looking up and seeing a flight of storks flying overhead.   A beautiful picture..  It is entitled "Storks"' (Bociany )   It was painted by Jozef Chelmonski in 1914. 

Cucumber patch: if you ever had a good sized garden you know that the leafs are of varied sizes and the veggies hide under the leaves. My grandmother loved fresh cucumber, fried, pickeled and some were stored in their under ground "refrigerator" and used for a short time. My Dad's favorite was cucumbers with chopped green onions and sour cream dressing. Still make and my grown up kids are keeping up the family favorite. It is true....my kids were never allowed near the cucumbers.......Sophie On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Debbie Greenlee <daveg@airmail.net> wrote: > Jane, > > Storks build their nests in tall trees, on chimney tops and at the top > of electric poles. You can imagine how bad an idea it is to build on > the last two. > > Often people will build a platform at the top of a barn, dead tree or > something else that is high-up to encourage storks to build a nest there. > > The Ustron~ stork web site was originally installed to teach Polish > school children about storks and to give them a better understanding > of their national bird. Between now and August when they leave, it can > get pretty entertaining. Now that both adults are in the nest there > will be lots of clacking (that's how they identify each other and this > is passed along to the babies), mating (oops you just missed an > attempt), egg laying (2-4 eggs), eggs hatching and hopefully the > storklets growing up to learn to fly and leave the nest. > http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ > Click on "STREAM - GNIAZDO W USTRONIU" for live web cam. > > BTW Gniazdo is nest, Bociany is stork. > > Can't help you with the cucumber (ogórek) patch. > > Debbie > > Jane Simmons wrote: >> Thanks for the insight Sophie.  Where did they build their nests?  Also, why >> shouldn't you walk through the cucumber patch? >> >> Jane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <gottemollers@gmail.com> >> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:52 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching >> >> >> Storks in Poland are an old custom and very important.  My Dad, born >> in Poland and lived there until he was 25 years old said there were >> two sacred laws.  The first was that they are NEVER to walk through >> the cucumber patch and the second was to enjoy watching the storks and >> realizing that they bring good luck......but do not touch or in any >> way throw things at the nest or the storks.  So it is important, I >> think of my Dad every stork season time and can't figure out how he or >> his brothers could possibly throw anything at the nest.  Every culture >> has its own customs and for me it is an important  one.        Sophie >> >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Remick <ralph.remick@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Will someone please explain to me what STORK WATCHING has to do with >>> researching Polish roots? >>> >>> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as >>> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic researching our Polish >>> roots. >>> - > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jane, Storks build their nests in tall trees, on chimney tops and at the top of electric poles. You can imagine how bad an idea it is to build on the last two. Often people will build a platform at the top of a barn, dead tree or something else that is high-up to encourage storks to build a nest there. The Ustron~ stork web site was originally installed to teach Polish school children about storks and to give them a better understanding of their national bird. Between now and August when they leave, it can get pretty entertaining. Now that both adults are in the nest there will be lots of clacking (that's how they identify each other and this is passed along to the babies), mating (oops you just missed an attempt), egg laying (2-4 eggs), eggs hatching and hopefully the storklets growing up to learn to fly and leave the nest. http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ Click on "STREAM - GNIAZDO W USTRONIU" for live web cam. BTW Gniazdo is nest, Bociany is stork. Can't help you with the cucumber (ogórek) patch. Debbie Jane Simmons wrote: > Thanks for the insight Sophie. Where did they build their nests? Also, why > shouldn't you walk through the cucumber patch? > > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <gottemollers@gmail.com> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:52 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching > > > Storks in Poland are an old custom and very important. My Dad, born > in Poland and lived there until he was 25 years old said there were > two sacred laws. The first was that they are NEVER to walk through > the cucumber patch and the second was to enjoy watching the storks and > realizing that they bring good luck......but do not touch or in any > way throw things at the nest or the storks. So it is important, I > think of my Dad every stork season time and can't figure out how he or > his brothers could possibly throw anything at the nest. Every culture > has its own customs and for me it is an important one. Sophie > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Remick <ralph.remick@gmail.com> wrote: >> Will someone please explain to me what STORK WATCHING has to do with >> researching Polish roots? >> >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as >> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic researching our Polish >> roots. >> -

Group: I call your attention to the newest Ancestry Immigration item. Subject Index to Correspondence and Case Files of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, 1903-1952 It is an INDEX to subjects listed by personal name in the files. Individuals are involved in perjury, using other's papers, requesting extensions, etc. Fun reading, note that heading says 1952 but listing says 1959. Just put Poland in keyword search and 148 Polish items pop up! Example here: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=0&indiv=try&db=indexcasesins&h=429880 PolishDragon@att.net

Thanks for the insight Sophie. Where did they build their nests? Also, why shouldn't you walk through the cucumber patch? Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sophie Gottemoller" <gottemollers@gmail.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Polish Roots or Stork Watching Storks in Poland are an old custom and very important. My Dad, born in Poland and lived there until he was 25 years old said there were two sacred laws. The first was that they are NEVER to walk through the cucumber patch and the second was to enjoy watching the storks and realizing that they bring good luck......but do not touch or in any way throw things at the nest or the storks. So it is important, I think of my Dad every stork season time and can't figure out how he or his brothers could possibly throw anything at the nest. Every culture has its own customs and for me it is an important one. Sophie On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Remick <ralph.remick@gmail.com> wrote: > Will someone please explain to me what STORK WATCHING has to do with > researching Polish roots? > > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic researching our Polish > roots. > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com ---------------------------------- Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. ---------------------------------- Browse the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots Search the list's archives here: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Storks in Poland are an old custom and very important. My Dad, born in Poland and lived there until he was 25 years old said there were two sacred laws. The first was that they are NEVER to walk through the cucumber patch and the second was to enjoy watching the storks and realizing that they bring good luck......but do not touch or in any way throw things at the nest or the storks. So it is important, I think of my Dad every stork season time and can't figure out how he or his brothers could possibly throw anything at the nest. Every culture has its own customs and for me it is an important one. Sophie On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:19 AM, Remick <ralph.remick@gmail.com> wrote: > Will someone please explain to me what STORK WATCHING has to do with > researching Polish roots? > > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic researching our Polish roots. > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager?  Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My daughter and I were in Poland in 2004, two storks flew over her and she had twins the next year. She was having trouble getting pregnant. Kuba On Apr 11, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Debbie Greenlee wrote: > Jane, > > Exactly! > > Debbie > > Jane Simmons wrote: >> Debbie, >> >> I never knew that! If storks are a sign of fertility, is that the reason we >> see drawings of storks delivering babies? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland >> >> >>> Jane, >>> >>> White storks are the national bird in Poland. I don't think most >>> people pay them too much attention over there unless a stork builds a >>> nest on top of a chimney. >>> >>> Storks are a sign of fertility so farmers especially, like it when >>> storks nest in their trees. >>> >>> http://www.polishforums.com/travel-tourism-5/storks-symbol-poland-3823/ >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Stork >>> >>> Many people in Poland do raise gal~a~bki (pigeons). >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> Jane Simmons wrote: >>>> Can anyone tell me about this stork-watching? Is it something that is >>>> prevalent in Poland? I'm only asking because my parents, both from >>>> Poland, >>>> never talked about this activity. >>>> >>>> My father did, however, raise pigeons and it seems that many Polish men, >>>> here at least, did do this as a hobby. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >>>> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland >>>> >>>> >>>>> It's already started in Ustron~. The male stork arrived April 3 and >>>>> the female arrived today, April 10. Though they have been busy >>>>> clacking (talking) at each other it seems the male has forgotten how >>>>> to mate. His attempts are not on target, so to speak. >>>>> >>>>> It is night in Poland right now so both storks are in the nest. >>>>> http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ >>>>> >>>>> Debbie >>>>> >>>>> C Barnes wrote: >>>>>> My sister is bird watching via hidden camera's. When do the Stork >>>>>> camera >>>>> start in Poland. I figured it is Spring???? >>> ********************************* >>> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >>> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >>> ---------------------------------- >>> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as >>> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >>> researching our Polish roots. >>> ---------------------------------- >>> Browse the list's archives here: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >>> Search the list's archives here: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jakub Przedzienkowski jimpres@mac.com JMJ

Jane, Exactly! Debbie Jane Simmons wrote: > Debbie, > > I never knew that! If storks are a sign of fertility, is that the reason we > see drawings of storks delivering babies? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> > To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:02 PM > Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland > > >> Jane, >> >> White storks are the national bird in Poland. I don't think most >> people pay them too much attention over there unless a stork builds a >> nest on top of a chimney. >> >> Storks are a sign of fertility so farmers especially, like it when >> storks nest in their trees. >> >> http://www.polishforums.com/travel-tourism-5/storks-symbol-poland-3823/ >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Stork >> >> Many people in Poland do raise gal~a~bki (pigeons). >> >> Debbie >> >> Jane Simmons wrote: >>> Can anyone tell me about this stork-watching? Is it something that is >>> prevalent in Poland? I'm only asking because my parents, both from >>> Poland, >>> never talked about this activity. >>> >>> My father did, however, raise pigeons and it seems that many Polish men, >>> here at least, did do this as a hobby. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >>> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:18 PM >>> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland >>> >>> >>>> It's already started in Ustron~. The male stork arrived April 3 and >>>> the female arrived today, April 10. Though they have been busy >>>> clacking (talking) at each other it seems the male has forgotten how >>>> to mate. His attempts are not on target, so to speak. >>>> >>>> It is night in Poland right now so both storks are in the nest. >>>> http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ >>>> >>>> Debbie >>>> >>>> C Barnes wrote: >>>>> My sister is bird watching via hidden camera's. When do the Stork >>>>> camera >>>> start in Poland. I figured it is Spring???? >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as >> long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >> researching our Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Debbie, I never knew that! If storks are a sign of fertility, is that the reason we see drawings of storks delivering babies? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland > Jane, > > White storks are the national bird in Poland. I don't think most > people pay them too much attention over there unless a stork builds a > nest on top of a chimney. > > Storks are a sign of fertility so farmers especially, like it when > storks nest in their trees. > > http://www.polishforums.com/travel-tourism-5/storks-symbol-poland-3823/ > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Stork > > Many people in Poland do raise gal~a~bki (pigeons). > > Debbie > > Jane Simmons wrote: >> Can anyone tell me about this stork-watching? Is it something that is >> prevalent in Poland? I'm only asking because my parents, both from >> Poland, >> never talked about this activity. >> >> My father did, however, raise pigeons and it seems that many Polish men, >> here at least, did do this as a hobby. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland >> >> >>> It's already started in Ustron~. The male stork arrived April 3 and >>> the female arrived today, April 10. Though they have been busy >>> clacking (talking) at each other it seems the male has forgotten how >>> to mate. His attempts are not on target, so to speak. >>> >>> It is night in Poland right now so both storks are in the nest. >>> http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ >>> >>> Debbie >>> >>> C Barnes wrote: >>>> My sister is bird watching via hidden camera's. When do the Stork >>>> camera >>> start in Poland. I figured it is Spring???? >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It seems to be. My father's friends who raised pigeons were all Polish. He liked to take a couple of pigeons up to my aunt and uncle's farm and let them go. Then when we came home, the pigeons were already there. It's uncanny! Of course, we did occasionally eat a pigeon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. MICK" <mick_joseph@hotmail.com> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland > > I learned that my great-grandmother's brother who lived in Poland raised > pigeons at least from the 1920s thru the 1940s. He lived in Krakow. Is > raising pigeons a common hobby of Polish men? > mick > >> From: jania1938@wowway.com >> To: poland-roots@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 16:14:00 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland >> >> Can anyone tell me about this stork-watching? Is it something that is >> prevalent in Poland? I'm only asking because my parents, both from >> Poland, >> never talked about this activity. >> >> My father did, however, raise pigeons and it seems that many Polish men, >> here at least, did do this as a hobby. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Debbie Greenlee" <daveg@airmail.net> >> To: <poland-roots@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [POLAND] Stork watching in Poland >> >> >> > It's already started in Ustron~. The male stork arrived April 3 and >> > the female arrived today, April 10. Though they have been busy >> > clacking (talking) at each other it seems the male has forgotten how >> > to mate. His attempts are not on target, so to speak. >> > >> > It is night in Poland right now so both storks are in the nest. >> > http://www.bociany.edu.pl/ >> > >> > Debbie >> > >> > C Barnes wrote: >> >> My sister is bird watching via hidden camera's. When do the Stork >> >> camera >> > start in Poland. I figured it is Spring???? >> >> ********************************* >> >> >> > ********************************* >> > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> > ---------------------------------- >> > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >> > as >> > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >> > researching our Polish roots. >> > ---------------------------------- >> > Browse the list's archives here: >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> > Search the list's archives here: >> > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com >> ---------------------------------- >> Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list >> as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: >> researching our Polish roots. >> ---------------------------------- >> Browse the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots >> Search the list's archives here: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > Poland-Roots-admin@rootsweb.com > ---------------------------------- > Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as > long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic of this list: > researching our Polish roots. > ---------------------------------- > Browse the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index?list=poland-roots > Search the list's archives here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?aop=1 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > POLAND-ROOTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Will someone please explain to me what STORK WATCHING has to do with researching Polish roots? Discussion of Polish food, culture, and customs are welcome on the list as long as the discussion stays pertinent to the topic researching our Polish roots.