This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/hdC.2ACI/456.1162.1.1 Message Board Post: Clemens and Elaine are also my grandparents, they had 4 children. Clemens jr, Cazimer, Sue and David. Clemens Jr is my father in law, he married Darlene they had 3 kids, Mark, Carrie and Michael. Clemens father was Stanley, mother was either Mary Ann or Marianna. They escaped from behind the iron curtain in as close as I can figure 1905, I can find no records of their arrival in the u.s.a. They are listed on the 1920 and 1930 census, they had 9 children: Edmund, John, Helen, Clemens, Cazimer, Virgina, Teresa, Daniel and Rita. Daniel is the only surviving and he is listed in the Toledo phone book. Please let me know if you have any other info to add to what I have.