This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/AdC.2ACE/24.42.1.2.1 Message Board Post: The birthdays of Mary and Joe that I have we have problems for. Their children say one thing, but records a family member say are another. Their tombstones say they were born in 1882 which I believe in incorrect. As for the months and days I believe the problem comes from the old European way of celebrating the christening and not the birth. I don't have my records in front of me at the moment. Please email me at billie3713@yahoo.com so that we may get in touch. I have a source Hank Walczak who is the greatest help. He also has been intouch with Roginski. I am the daughter in law of Alice Tyryfter. Toryfter and Tyryfter are the same family. Alice married the son of Stella's husband's brother. Alice did not know this until I dug up records.