There was a Thiuduraiks which was a Goth. They were a Germanic speaking people not Semetic. Arian Christians. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 5:03 PM Subject: [PDP] Theodoric of Toulouse/Natronai al-Makhir Dear Plantagenet cousins, Does anyone hear know much about the rather controversial identification of William the Conqueror ancestor Theodoric I, Duke of Toulouse with the Jewish Exilarch Natronai al-Makhir? The primary reference for this is Zuckermann's "A Jewish Princedom in Feudal France." Can anyone find anything else proving or disproving that Theodoric and al-Makhir are the same person? --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Chris, As with all Biblical genealogies, the proofs for these purported lineages fall far short of acceptable standards of evidence. The questionable veracity of epics and traditional accounts, written in archaic languages and incapable of exact translation of naming patterns, is an often difficult roadblock in the search for genealogical evidences. Zuckermann's theories, first propounded in 1972, have since been widely discredited by more than one authority. Christian Settipani and Patrick Van Kerrebrouck, in their 1993 work _La prehistoire des Capetiens 481-987, Premiere partie: Merovingiens, Carolingiens et Robertiens_ (pp. 173-6), propose a European background. Nat Taylor exposed the weak points in this thesis in a series of comments to SGM in 1996. Following these threads will take some study, as there are over two dozen in 1995 and 1996 alone: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GEN-MEDIEVAL Type in "Makhir" in the search field and you will be linked to the various postings of interest. Kevin On Monday, September 22, 2003, 11:50:20 PM, you wrote: LB> There was a Thiuduraiks which was a Goth. They were a Germanic speaking LB> people not Semetic. Arian Christians. LB> Le LB> ----- Original Message ----- LB> From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> LB> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> LB> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2003 5:03 PM LB> Subject: [PDP] Theodoric of Toulouse/Natronai al-Makhir LB> Dear Plantagenet cousins, LB> Does anyone hear know much about the rather controversial identification of LB> William the Conqueror ancestor Theodoric I, Duke of Toulouse with the Jewish LB> Exilarch Natronai al-Makhir? The primary reference for this is Zuckermann's LB> "A Jewish Princedom in Feudal France." Can anyone find anything else proving LB> or disproving that Theodoric and al-Makhir are the same person? LB> --------------------------------- LB> Do you Yahoo!? LB> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software LB> ============================== LB> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go LB> to: LB> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 LB> ============================== LB> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: LB> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237