Cousins, Susanna North Martin, one of the most infamous of the women who were hanged as witches during the Salem witch trials, and, I believe, my 8th great-grandmother, may also have been a Plantagenet descendant, descended from John Lackland by his illegitimate son Richard FitzRoy (probably by John's mistress Suzanne de Warenne who was herself a granddaughter of Geoffrey 'The Fair' Plantagenet.) Here's the lprobable line from Lackland to Suzanna North. Expert PDP genealogists (Kevin Bradford, et al) tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. 1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne 2 Richard FitzRoy = 3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion 4 John de Marmion = Isabel ? 5 John de Marmion = Maud de Furnival 6 Avice Marmion = John de Grey 7 Maud de Grey = Thomas Harcourt 8 Thomas Harcourt =Jane Francis 9 Robert Harcourt = Margaret Bryan 10 John Harcourt = Anne Norreys 11 Roger North = Christian Warcup 12 Edward North = Alice Squire 13 Thomas North = Elizabeth Colville 14 John North = Anna Hodell 15 Richard North = Joan Bartram 16 Susanna North = George Martin In fortis, Chris Becker --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25�

Chris, I've meant to mention this a couple of times and keep forgetting. I have a wife, with sources, for Richard FitzRoy: Chris Jay Becker wrote: >...tell me if there are any holes in this line, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. > >1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne >2 Richard FitzRoy = >3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion > 1. John 'Lackland', King of England was, by either Agatha de Ferrers [ES III:356b][Dugdale I:359] or a sister of William, Earl of Warenne [NEHGR 119:94-102], the father of: 2. Richard FitzRoy, Baron of Chilham. He married Rohese de Dover [ES III:356b][CP II:127][CP XII/2:297-8][AR7:26,184A][BXP:356] 3. Laura de Chilham m. William de Marimon [BXP:356] BXP has several more generations for the de Marimon line, but not the entire line as posted. But it would be a place to start. Jim BXP=Burke's Dormant and Extinct Peerage, 1883, repr. 1996 CP=The Complete Peerage, 8 vols. 1910-1959, repr. 1982 ES=Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge (Third Series), 16 vols.1978-1995 > > >