A friendly listserv bringeth forth joy in abundance (from fortune cookie). Kevin "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.o To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com rg> cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] Ancestors of our ancestors 04/30/2004 11:35 AM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Thanks Kevin for focus. -----Original Message----- From: Wrenn, Bubba Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 11:15 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] Ancestors of our ancestors This guy's really nice and has helped me lots. -----Original Message----- From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 9:01 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] Ancestors of our ancestors Chris, Mythic and traditional ancestries, while they continue to fascinate, are incapable of withstanding modern standards of proof. You raise a cogent point: the lives and families of our contemporaneously documented Plantagenet ancestors, and the ancestors of the Plantagenets (including St. Louis IX & El Cid, among a host of others), are detailed enough so that any serious family historian could spend years gaining a deeper understanding of their forebears and still only scratch the surface. Many people are not satisfied with deepening their understanding of the known, they try to push the bar higher and connect the dots in the dark. That's what mythic and legendary ancestries are all about: the What Ifs and Maybes of Genealogical Wonderland. The Internet continues to remind us of the fact that there are lots of dreamers in cyberspace. Kevin Chris Jay Becker <chrisjaybecker@yahoo. To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com com> cc: Subject: RE: [PDP] Ancestors of our ancestors 04/29/2004 06:18 PM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Cousins, While it's all very fun to trace ourselves back to Adam and David and Mark Antony and Odin and all the other amazing and purported ancestors of our tribe, these "lines" are all based on things like "Darda son of Judah MAY BE the same person as Dardanus, founder of Troy" and "Tea Tephi was said to be the daughter of the King of Judah, brought to the Emerald Isle by the Prophet Jeremiah himself" and even "Theodoric of Toulouse, AKA Thierry of Autun is PROBABLY the same person as Natronai Al-Makhir, Exilarch of Judah." Unfortunately, it's all a lot of hogwash. Let's not forget, we Plantagenet descendants, through the Carolingians and the Merovingians are ALSO supposed to be descendants of Jesus Christ by Mary Magdalene!!! Yeah, right. We DO, however, have some pretty cool ancestors who are quite well documented. Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, William the Conqueror, several Kings of France (Capetians, Carolingians, and probably Merovingians,) and Spain (including Saint Ferdinand) and more ancient rulers of Scotland and Ireland than you can shake a shilalagh at. Several Holy Roman Emperors, even a couple of later Byzantine Emperors like Isaac Angelos. We don't need no stinkin' Cleopatra. We have Eleanor of Aquitaine and Saint Margaret of Scotland. Regards, Chris --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.