Chris, I share this ancestry down to generation #6, Avice Marmion & John de Grey.I link to Robert de Grey, Maud Harcourt's brother: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I4066&style=TEXT The pedigree you list, to generation #8, is found in Roberts' RD600, pp.215, 403, 407. Of course, you'll need to follow up on the source citationsgiven in that resource to be certain of the veracity of his information. The maternity of Richard fitz Roy is not definitely known: there is nocontemporary evidence of the woman's name. I note that Susanna North Martin is not treated as a royals descendant inRD600, PA2, or AR7. You might try an archival search of SGM's listserv forsome of the names in your pedigree:http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GEN-MEDIEVAL The women and men executed at Salem during the witch trials were tragicvictims of a mass hysteria that burned as quickly as the fires built toconsume them. The Salem victim's sole infamy was being born in the wrongplace (under a puritanical government which mixed church and state) at thewrong time. Best,Kevin Chris Jay Becker <chrisjaybecker@yahoo. To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com com> cc: Subject: [PDP] Salem Witch a Plantagenet Descendant? 04/20/2004 09:17 PM Please respond to ! PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Cousins, Susanna North Martin, one of the most infamous of the women who were hangedas witches during the Salem witch trials, and, I believe, my 8thgreat-grandmother, may also have been a Plantagenet descendant, descendedfrom John Lackland by his illegitimate son Richard FitzRoy (probably byJohn's mistress Suzanne de Warenne who was herself a granddaughter ofGeoffrey 'The Fair' Plantagenet.)Here's the lprobable line from Lackland to Suzanna North. Expert PDPgenealogists (Kevin Bradford, et al) tell me if there are any holes in thisline, or, conversely, if you know of any source material for the same. 1 John Lackland =Suzanne de Warenne2 Richard FitzRoy =3 Lorette de Dover = William de Marmion4 John de Marmion = Isabel ?5 John de Marmion = Maud de Furnival6 Avice Marmion = John de Grey7 Maud de Grey = Thomas Harcourt8 Thomas Harcourt =Jane Francis9 Robert Harcourt = Margaret Bryan10 John Harcourt = Anne Norreys11 Roger North = Christian Warcup12 Edward North = Alice Squire13 Thomas North = Elizabeth Colville14 John North = Anna Hodell15 Richard North = Joan Bartram16 Susanna North = George Martin In fortis, Chris Becker ---------------------------------Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ==============================Gain access to over two billion names including the new ImmigrationCollection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more.http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure ordistribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.