I always thought Matthew Howard was the son of a Margaret Howard who married an Arundel and migrated to the US after Henry VIII was killing the Howards. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:25 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors Susannah, Do you have a relationship calculator in your genealogy software (Family TreeMaker, Generations, Reunion, The Master Genealogist, etc.)? If so, it usually will give you the relationship to any person in your tree via the shortest route (Generations, Reunion, and The Master Genealogist will anyway). But in counting via this list, it appears she's your 18th great grandmother. As such, using the cousin calculator I mentioned in an earlier message, that makes you and I 18th cousins once removed. Via a different connection it might be shorter or longer. And we do seem to have other common connections--to the Stewarts, Bruces, Lords of Raby, and the Lords of Bamburg, to mention just a few I see. I also noted you're descended from the Red Douglases--any Black Douglases in there as well? Anyway, thanks for providing the information. Jim susannah ohhhh wrote: > Joan Beaufort is my umptillion great grandmother....Here is the line... > > Me > Murray Jones 1921 > Archie Maraman 1896 > Arch Gillen Maraman 1870 > William Francis Maraman 1846 > Susan Cassandra Magruder 1824 > Archibald Magruder, Jr. 1800 > Archibald magruder, Sr. 1751 > Ninian Magruder, Jr. 1709 > Elizabeth Brewer 1690 > Sarah Ridgeley > Elizabeth Howard 1642 > Matthew Howard 1609 > John Howard 1578 > Robert Howard 1537 > Margaret Douglas 1515 > Margaret, Queen of Scotland 1489 > Henry VII and Elizabeth, Princess of England 1465... > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237