I agree completely. We know we all descend from people living in Biblical times, the problem is to find the links, and we have to start at our end. And, we may never find them. Very few documents from ancient times have survived, and very few of our ancestors were literate anyhow. In my opinion, our best chances lie through the mixing of Iberian Muslims and Christians. We may yet find some links there. Islamic culture was much more literate and much more has been preserved of those days. (incidentally, the link to Zaida Denia in Royalty for Commoners is in the opinion of most if not all of the experts, false.) On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 14:25, JF wrote: > Gordon, > > No question, you've raised a very valid point here. But how did we get > to examining this end of the line? Isn't a genealogy built one person at > a time, starting with yourself and working backwards? So why are we way > back here when we should be trying to determine if connections, many > centuries earlier, are even valid? You, me, nobody else is at fault > here. We just somehow, collectively, got sucked into examining the wrong > end of the horse here. And this just seems like a good point to > interject this thought before we get into this too far. Couldn't we > perhaps back up and examine (and exchange information on) key ancestors > who may or may not connect us to Biblical personages? > > Jim > > > > > > > > Gordon Banks wrote: > > >Matthew: > > > > 1: The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the > >son of Abraham. > >2: Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and > >his brethren; > >3: And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; > >and Esrom begat Aram; > >4: And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson > >begat Salmon; > >5: And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and > >Obed begat Jesse; > >6: And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of > >her that had been the wife of Urias; > >7: And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa; > >8: And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat > >Ozias; > >9: And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat > >Ezekias; > >10: And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat > >Josias; > >11: And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they > >were carried away to Babylon: > >12: And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; > >and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; > >13: And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim > >begat Azor; > >14: And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; > >15: And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan > >begat Jacob; > >16: And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, > >who is called Christ. > > > >Luke: > > > >23: And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as > >was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, > >24: Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was > >the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of > >Joseph, > >25: Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which > >was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of > >Nagge, > >26: Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which > >was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of > >Juda, > >27: Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was > >the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son > >of Neri, > >28: Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was > >the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er, > >29: Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was > >the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of > >Levi, > >30: Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was > >the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of > >Eliakim, > >31: Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was > >the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of > >David, > >32: Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the > >son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson, > >33: Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was > >the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of > >Juda, > >34: Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was > >the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of > >Nachor, > >35: Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was > >the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of > >Sala, > >36: Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which > >was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of > >Lamech, > >37: Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which > >was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son > >of Cainan, > >38: Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the > >son of Adam, which was the son of God. > > > >So which genealogy is correct? > > > >Q.E.D. > > > >On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 08:25, VIRFM@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >>" Unfortunately, it's all a lot of hogwash. > >> > >>What is hogwash? Not the Bible I hope you are not saying this. The Bible is > >>a lot more factual than a lot of the genealogy lists man has made. Why is it > >>so impossible to believe something written with God inspired facts than > >>something written by man? > >>I have found sites with my line back to Noah and Adam and Eve I have no > >>problem with that but I must admit I dont think everything in the line is correct > >>just what Ive read in the Bible. > >>Didnt mean to bring Christianity into this list but please dont bring the > >>Bible in to trash it. > >>Eve > >> > >> > >> > >>============================== > >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >> > >> > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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