Barbara, Thank you for the extra effort in researching this brass. This sheds a good deal of light on the symbolism. Also, the Admiral's point is well taken, an engraver probably would never have seen a real elephant. Thanks again. Jim Barbara wrote: >This discussion that by 4/11 included the symbolism on the monumental brass >at http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Tong_Brass.htm ><http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Tong_Brass.htm> of Sir William >Vernon, knight constable of England, and his wife, Margaret Swynfen from >Tong piqued my interest. > > >

That's what I love about Genealogy - always new things to learn. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:32 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth de VERNON and Margaret Swynfen Barbara, Thank you for the extra effort in researching this brass. This sheds a good deal of light on the symbolism. Also, the Admiral's point is well taken, an engraver probably would never have seen a real elephant. Thanks again. Jim Barbara wrote: >This discussion that by 4/11 included the symbolism on the monumental brass >at http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Tong_Brass.htm ><http://www.mbs-brasses.co.uk/pic_lib/Tong_Brass.htm> of Sir William >Vernon, knight constable of England, and his wife, Margaret Swynfen from >Tong piqued my interest. > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237