Jim Are any of these families connected to the Plantagenet family? They seem more Scottish than English, although I don't know how you tell if you're more Scotch than English. And I'll bite what is the difference between the Red Douglases and the Black Douglases? Marc. And we do seem to have other common connections--to the Stewarts, Bruces, Lords of Raby, and the Lords of Bamburg, to mention just a few I see. I also noted you're descended from the Red Douglases--any Black Douglases in there as well? Support Care2 Email: Stop "scientific" whaling, the whale-killing loophole http://www.care2.com/go/z/12803