Jim, OK, John 'Lackland' (so named because as 5th son he lacked land and titles), aka: John, King of England--I have two lines back to him as well. What source would have referred to him as John de Normandie? He was an Angevin king. So no, that would be incorrect in his case. Henry I was technically the last of the Norman kings (some say Stephen of Blois was the last, but he was of the house of Blois in the male line). I appreciate you explaining. You just were given some bad information. But thanks for explaining. Jim wrote: >And those other connections are interesting! Out of curiosity, does >illegitimacy have any bearing on ancestry? Hamlin is supposedly a 24th g >grandfather, Robert de Cael a 24th g grandfather, Maud, and her sister >Alice, both 27th g grandmothers, as well other grandparents among his 8 >other wives. Edmund 21st g grandfather:-) A virtual medieval Peyton >Place:-) > No, not a bit. Genealogy is a study of your biological ancestors. Questions of legitimacy are legal issues based on laws and customs of the time and place they lived in. Jim