...and what about the mess in Rome @ 100 - 10 BC with the whole Claudius scandals. When I first saw they were my grandparents, in the 49th to 55th, range I tried to sort out that "Peyton Place". Got to see the movie (I, Claudius)...maybe that will help.:) And don't ever remember seeing Cleo in that mess, but definitely Mark Antony, who was Octavia's husband. One thing is for certain, this all certainly makes for better entertainment (which is one of the reasons I don't have cable) than what's on TV today...Janet Jackson or not!! I guess it's because I "relate" to it :)! -----Original Message----- From: Chris Jay Becker [mailto:chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:19 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [PDP] Ancestors of our ancestors Cousins, While it's all very fun to trace ourselves back to Adam and David and Mark Antony and Odin and all the other amazing and purported ancestors of our tribe, these "lines" are all based on things like "Darda son of Judah MAY BE the same person as Dardanus, founder of Troy" and "Tea Tephi was said to be the daughter of the King of Judah, brought to the Emerald Isle by the Prophet Jeremiah himself" and even "Theodoric of Toulouse, AKA Thierry of Autun is PROBABLY the same person as Natronai Al-Makhir, Exilarch of Judah." Unfortunately, it's all a lot of hogwash. Let's not forget, we Plantagenet descendants, through the Carolingians and the Merovingians are ALSO supposed to be descendants of Jesus Christ by Mary Magdalene!!! Yeah, right. We DO, however, have some pretty cool ancestors who are quite well documented. Charlemagne, Alfred the Great, William the Conqueror, several Kings of France (Capetians, Carolingians, and probably Merovingians,) and Spain (including Saint Ferdinand) and more ancient rulers of Scotland and Ireland than you can shake a shilalagh at. Several Holy Roman Emperors, even a couple of later Byzantine Emperors like Isaac Angelos. We don't need no stinkin' Cleopatra. We have Eleanor of Aquitaine and Saint Margaret of Scotland. Regards, Chris - ------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs ______________________________