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    1. Plantagenet-Chaworth connection
    2. Marc Sanders
    3. Can anyone here tell me the Chaworth ancestors of Maud Chaworth (1282-1322), wife of Henry, 3rd Earl of Lancaster (1281-1345)? I have some, but I also have problems. Also, can you give me sources for the information? Thank you. Marc Support Care2 Email: Stop "scientific" whaling, the whale-killing loophole http://www.care2.com/go/z/12803

    05/04/2004 07:47:52
    1. Re: [PDP] Plantagenet-Chaworth connection
    2. JF
    3. Marc, Since Kevin has provided you a link to the de Chaworth ancestors of Maud, I thought you might want to see her grandmother's branch (Hawise de Londres) of this same line, listed below. Her family should be of interest as they are not only ancestors of the Plantagenet family, but also of the Stewart Kings of Scotland, as well as the de Lundins, hereditary Doorwards (personal bodyguard to the King) of Scotland. So some here may have more than one connection. Jim Marc Sanders wrote: >Can anyone here tell me the Chaworth ancestors of >Maud Chaworth (1282-1322), wife of Henry, 3rd >Earl of Lancaster (1281-1345)? I have some, but I >also have problems. Also, can you give me sources >for the information? Thank you. > (1) Simon de Londres[1],[2] & Sibylla[1] (2) William de Londres , of Ogmore & Kidwelly[1],[2] ( - bet 1106-1128) dd. bet 1106-1128[2] (3) Maurice de Londres , of Ogmore & Kidwelly[2],[1] ( - 1149) dd. 1149[2] (4) William de Londres , of Ogmore & Kidwelly[3],[2] ( - ca 1200) dd. ca 1200[3] (5) Sir Thomas de Londres , Lord of Kidwilly, Wales[4],[5],[2] ( - by 1221) dd. by 1221[5] & Eva de Tracey[2] (6) Hawise de Londres[4],[5],[6],[7],[8],[2] ( - 1273) dd. 1273[5],[9] & Patrick IV de Chaworth[4],[5],[6],[7],[10],[2] ( - 1258) dd. 1258[5] (3) Thomas de Londres[11],[12],[13],[2] & Escheyne de Molle[14],[2] (4) Eschyne de Molle*[11],[15],[13] ( - aft 1177) dd. aft 1177[13] & Walter fitz Alan ,High Steward of Scotland[11],[15],[16] ( - 1177) dd. 1177[17],[18],[15],[13] (5) Alan Fitz Walter High Steward of Scotland[11],[19],[20],[15],[21] ( - 1204) dd. 1204[18],[19],[15] & Eve ¤[11],[22] (6) Walter Stewart High Steward of Scotland[11],[23],[15],[21] ( - 1241) dd. 1241[11] & Beatrix of Angus[11],[23],[15],[21] (6) Aveline Stewart[17],[24] & Duncan mac Gilbert , 1st Earl of Carrick[17],[26],[24],[27],[28] ( - 13 Jun 1250) dd. 13 Jun 1250[17],[25],[24] m. 1200, ¤[17] (4) Eschyne de Molle*[11],[15],[13] ( - aft 1177) dd. aft 1177[13] & Robert de Croc[17] 1. W.H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1968, p. 116. 2. Dr. Robert Lundie Smith, PhD., “The most ancient Family of Lundin or Lundie of that ilk; A History,” e-book at: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/htol/lundin2.html, 2003, Ch. 1. 3. W.H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1968, p. 116 (seems to have confused him with his grandfather, also William de Londres). 4. Sir Bernard Burke, C.B., LL.D., Ulster King of Arms, Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, Burke's Peerage/Genealogical Publishing Co., 1883, Reprinted 1985. 1996, Information from this site, while generally accurate, should still be verified by other sources., pp. 111-112. 5. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, Who Came To America before 1700, Additions and Corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Seventh Edition 1992, 1993, Line 72. 6. George Edward Cokayne, “The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant Extinct or Dormant,” Geoffrey H. White, F.S.A., F.R. Hist.S., With the Assistance of R.S. Lea, M.A., The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., London, Volume XII, Part 2 Tracton to Zouche, 1959, p. 93 note (b). 7. W.H. Turton, The Plantagenet Ancestry, Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1968, p. 97. 8. I.J. Sanders, English baronies: a study of their origin and descent, 1086-1327, Clarendon Press, 1963, p. 125 footnote 6. 9. Dr. Robert Lundie Smith, PhD., “The most ancient Family of Lundin or Lundie of that ilk; A History,” e-book at: http://www.electricscotland.com/webclans/htol/lundin2.html, 2003, Ch. 1 (gives 1274 as her date of death). 10. I.J. Sanders, English baronies: a study of their origin and descent, 1086-1327, Clarendon Press, 1963, p. 125 & (ibid) footnote 6. 11. John Burke & Sir Bernard Burke, C.B., Burke's Peerage, Baronetage, and Knightage, Edited by Peter Townsend, Burke's Peerage Ltd.,London, MCMLXIII (1963), p. 1712. 12. Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, Band III Teilband 1, Herzogs und Grafenhäuser des Heiligen Römischen Reiches Andere Europäiche Fürstenhäuser, 1984, Tafel 159 (herein called Thomas of London). 13. The Scots Peerage, Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Sir James Balfour Paul, Lord Lyon King of Arms, Edinburgh: David Douglas, Volume I, 1904, p. 11. 14. The Scots Peerage, Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Sir James Balfour Paul, Lord Lyon King of Arms, Edinburgh: David Douglas, Volume I, 1904, p. 11 (does not give her first name). 15. Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln: Stammtafeln zur Geschichte der Europäischen Staaten, Neue Folge, Marburg, Germany: Verlag von J. A. Stargardt, Band III Teilband 1, Herzogs und Grafenhäuser des Heiligen Römischen Reiches Andere Europäiche Fürstenhäuser, 1984, Tafel 159. 16. The Scots Peerage, Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Sir James Balfour Paul, Lord Lyon King of Arms, Edinburgh: David Douglas, Volume I, 1904, pp. 10-12. 17. John Burke & Sir Bernard Burke, C.B., Burke's Peerage, Baronetage, and Knightage, Edited by Peter Townsend, Burke's Peerage Ltd.,London, MCMLXIII (1963). 18. Brian Tompsett, “Directory of Royal Genealogical Data, University of Hull, UK,” Web Site - Royalty, Information from this site, while generally accurate, should still be verified by other sources., http://www3.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/. 19. “The Stewart Society,” 12/21/99, The Stewart Society, http://www.stewartsociety.org/index.html. 20. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, Who Came To America before 1700, Additions and Corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Seventh Edition 1992, 1993. 21. The Scots Peerage, Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Sir James Balfour Paul, Lord Lyon King of Arms, Edinburgh: David Douglas, Volume I, 1904, p. 12. 22. The Scots Peerage, Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Sir James Balfour Paul, Lord Lyon King of Arms, Edinburgh: David Douglas, Volume I, 1904, p. 12 & footnote ¹. 23. George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant Extinct or Dormant, H. A. Doubleday & Lord Howard de Walden, The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., London, Volume VII, Husee to Lincolnshire, 1929, p. 590. 24. Frederick Lewis Weis, Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, Who Came To America before 1700, Additions and Corrections by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Seventh Edition 1992, 1993, Line 121C. 26. Sir Bernard Burke, C.B., LL.D., Ulster King of Arms, Genealogical History of the Dormant, Abeyant, Forfeited, and Extinct Peerages of the British Empire, Burke's Peerage/Genealogical Publishing Co., 1883, Reprinted 1985. 1996, Information from this site, while generally accurate, should still be verified by other sources. 27. George Edward Cokayne, The Complete Peerage of England Scotland Ireland Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant Extinct or Dormant, The Hon. Vicary Gibbs, The St. Catherine Press, Ltd., London, Volume III Canonteign to Cutts, 1913, p. 55. 28. The Scots Peerage, Founded on Wood's Edition of Sir Robert Douglas's Peerage of Scotland, Sir James Balfour Paul, Lord Lyon King of Arms, Edinburgh: David Douglas, Volume II, 1905, p. 422.

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