Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection between the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about 784 AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. Shirley ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237