Is there a group which discusses the genealogy of Charlemagne? Jean de Bourg is supposedly descended from him. His greatgreatgrandfather was said to be Charles the Child 772-811, who married Julian of Ingelheim. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

This is what I also have on John de Bourg. Charles was also known as Duke of Ingelheim, born 772, died 811. He was one of the many children of Charlemagne. I would like also, to find a group that discusses Charlemagne. Please let me know if you find one? Pat Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:08 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Is there a group which discusses the genealogy of Charlemagne? Jean de Bourg is supposedly descended from him. His greatgreatgrandfather was said to be Charles the Child 772-811, who married Julian of Ingelheim. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I D http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237