I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, Godfrey, Charles The Child. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Le, Is this part of your question? When Guillaume Duke of Normandy conquered England in 1066, he became King William I as well as Duke of Normandy. You know, I really like the University of Hull website for these lines. It is accurate and user-friendly. And I often get quite lost learning about people and history I don't remember ever learning. Anyway, you might want to give it a try. Here's William, I, the Conqueror. You can find your way from there. http://www3.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal1380 Barbara Dudley Washburn Le wrote: I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, Godfrey, Charles The Child. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I'm curious about you saying that William the Conqueror descended from William Longswords. The only William Longswords I know of was William Longespee, a natural son of Henry II. He became Earl of Salisbury. Where does your William appear? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the > questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" > father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do > not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. > And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the > greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, > Godfrey, Charles The Child. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > > > Hi Le; > In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the > House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called > Croise (cross). > > John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified > towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, > Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's > daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, > who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). > > William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. > After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with > Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the > line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and > later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in > Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). > > Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted > names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and > many others, are all part of the line!! > > Patrick Burke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

He was the second one named William Longswords. William Duc de Normandie's great-grandfather was William Longsword son of Rollo Ragnvaldsson. Henry II's son was namesake of this earlier William Longsword, who was born in 900 A.D. and assissinated by Arnaulf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "decou" <decou@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg I'm curious about you saying that William the Conqueror descended from William Longswords. The only William Longswords I know of was William Longespee, a natural son of Henry II. He became Earl of Salisbury. Where does your William appear? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the > questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" > father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do > not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. > And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the > greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, > Godfrey, Charles The Child. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > > > Hi Le; > In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the > House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called > Croise (cross). > > John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified > towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, > Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's > daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, > who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). > > William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. > After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with > Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the > line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and > later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in > Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). > > Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted > names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and > many others, are all part of the line!! > > Patrick Burke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Le; Robert Duc de Normandie, was the Father of William, who became King of England 1066. Huiloin, or Harlowen, later married the same woman who was his mother (Arletta) sometimes kindly referrred to as "Of the Court of the Duke" when in fact she was the daughter of a Tanner from Falaise, in Normandy. So Arletta is the common link here, as her three sons were: William, King of England and Duke of Normandy (by Robert, Duc de Normande) Robert, Earl of Cornwall ( By Harlowen/Herluin, Count of Conteville) Odo, Earl of Kent and Bishop of Bayeaux.( ditto) There are conflicting opinions as to the father of John de Bourg; The preponderance of opinion that I have found, after many years of exhaustive research.leans towards Baldwin (or Baudoin), founder of the House of Blois. Either way, he is descended from Charlemagne by way of Charles, Duke of Engelheim. Hope this helps!! Pat Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:00 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, Godfrey, Charles The Child. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237