Hello All, Would be interested to find anyone who shares the same lineage as me. Here is an extract: Fulk V 'The Younger' Of Anjou + Ermengard (Erembourge) Of Maine Child: Geoffrey V 'The Fair' Plantagenet + Matilda (Maud) 'The Empress' (Parents Henry I Beauclerc' Of England & Matilda 'Atheling' Princess Of Scotland) Child: Henry II 'Curtmantle' Plantagenet + Eleanor Of Aquitaine (Parents William X 'The Toulousan' Of Aquitaine & Eleanor de Chatellerault de Rochefoucauld) Child: Matilda (Maud) Plantagenet + Henry V 'The Lion' Of Saxony (Parents Henry IV 'The Proud' Of Bavaria & Saxony & Gertrud von Supplinburg) Child (1) Richza Of Bavaria + Waldemar II Of Denmark (Parents Waldemar I 'The Great' Of Of Denmark & Sofiya Vladimirovna) Child (2) Eric IV Of Denmark + Jutta Of Saxony (Parents Albrecht I Of Saxony & Agnes Princess Of Austria) Would love to find someone with same lineage. Thanks for reading - Bill

I do apologize for my error in typing. It is Henry II "FitzEmpress" who is the great-grandson of King William and Matilda. Sorry for the confusion. See below: William, Duke of Normandy and King of England md. Matilda of Flanders Henry I, King of England md. Edith/Matilda of Scotland Matilda the Empress md. Geoffrey "Plantagenet", Count of Anjou Henry II "FitzEmpress" md. Eleanor, Duchess of Aquitaine Lee

A book I have, British Kings and Queens, The Complete Biographical Encyclopedia of the Kings & Queens of Great Britain, by Mike Ashley, states that Matilda was originally called "Edith." It says: "Henry (I) Beauclerc, King of England 3 August 1100 - 1 December 1135. Crowned: Westminster, 6 August 1100. Titles: King of England, Duke of Normandy (from 1106) and Lord of Donfront (from 1092). Born: Selby, Yorkshire, September 1068; Died: St. Denis-le-Fermont, near Rouen, 1 December 1135, aged 67. Buried: Reading Abbey. Married: (1) 11 November 1100, Matilda (formerly Edith), daughter of Malcolm III of Scotland; 4 children; (2) 29 January 1121, Adeliza, dau. of Geoffrey VII, Count of Louvain; no children. Henry had at least 25 illegitimate children by eight or more other women." This book lists them all, their mothers and their descendants. It is a very long list! Has anyone else used this book? It has an amazing amount of detail and is exhaustive. It covers not only all the kings and queens of England and Scotland, but starts back at the Pre-Roman Conquest of Britain, and covers everything forward. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 6:11 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] Family Tree Maker > Le, I answered to quickly. After I thought about it, I went back into my > records - > Malcolm Canmore and Margaret, who was named a saint after her death, also > had daughters: Matilda (1079-1118) who married Henry I Beauclerc, King of > England. And daughter, Mary who married the crusader, Count Eustace III of > Bologne. > I am inputing material in my family tree maker file The House of Anjou, > can someone tell me if Maud and Matilda are alternate names for the daughter > of Malcolm Canmar and Margaret Aetheling. I have some names in this new > family file I created. I started with myself, and am now on Foulques V line. > Le > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

This is from the webpage www.genealogy.eu Now I can read that Willliam died at Rouen in 1087. He married Matilda of Flanders in 1053. Robert was their son b. 1054. Were the rest of these Robert's descendants. The date ca. 1101 k.a. 1028 is confusing. This is confusing to say the least. If Henry Beauclerc were the great-grandson of Willliam Duc de Normandie then William Rufus would be his father. I think William married Matilda of Flanders in 1027 right at Falaise. The next line down is William I's son, and then his son, Richard possibly is also a son of Willliam Clito. Which would make Henry I actually William's greatgreatgrandson. Robert III and Sybille de Conversano were the parents of William Clito. Then it looks like William Rufus, and Richard are Robert's siblings. Duke WILLIAM I "The Conqueror" of Normandy, King of England (1066-87) -cr Westminster Cathedral 24.12.1066, *Falaise 1027, +nr Rouen 7.9.1087, bur St.Stephen Abbey, Caen; m.1053 Mathilde of Flanders (*1032 +2.11.1083) G1. Duke Robert III "Curthose" of Normandy, *1054, +Cardiff Castle 10.2.1134; m.Sybille de Conversano H1. William Clito, Count of Flanders, *1101, +k.a.1028; 1m: Adelicia de Montferrat; 2m: 1123 (div 1124) Sybille d'Anjou (*1112 +1165) G2. Richard, *ca 1055, +New Forest ca 1081 G3. WILLIAM II Rufus, King of England (1087-1100), *1056, +New Forest 2.8.1100, bur Winchester Cathedral. HELP. Le

Le, I answered to quickly. After I thought about it, I went back into my records - Malcolm Canmore and Margaret, who was named a saint after her death, also had daughters: Matilda (1079-1118) who married Henry I Beauclerc, King of England. And daughter, Mary who married the crusader, Count Eustace III of Bologne. I am inputing material in my family tree maker file The House of Anjou, can someone tell me if Maud and Matilda are alternate names for the daughter of Malcolm Canmar and Margaret Aetheling. I have some names in this new family file I created. I started with myself, and am now on Foulques V line. Le

Le, I think you mean Malcolm III, or Malcolm Canmore, whose name comes from the word ceann which means head, and mor, which means big or great. (He apparently had a big head.) And he established the dynasty of the House of Canmore that lasted for 200 years until the Stewarts. Duncan II, his successor, was from his first wife, Ingebjørg Margaret Aetheling was his second wife. There were six sons by this marriage, three of whom - Edgar, Alexander and David - would become king. I don't know about daughters. -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 7:48 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Family Tree Maker I am inputing material in my family tree maker file The House of Anjou, can someone tell me if Maud and Matilda are alternate names for the daughter of Malcolm Canmar and Margaret Aetheling. I have some names in this new family file I created. I started with myself, and am now on Foulques V line. Le ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My Plantagenet connection is relatively new to me. Because of the connection, I am finally catching up on the history and literature I foolishly ignored as a science major. So please bear with me. Having confessed my knowledge, or lack thereof, let me ask a question: is FULK a title or a name? In my Plantagenet line I have two FULKs: (1) Fulke Greville who married Elizabeth Willoughby, and their son: (2) Fulk Greville, Baron Willoughby who married Lady Anne Neville. (3) Katherine Greville, daughter of Fulk Greville and Lady Anne Neville married Giles Reed, and their daughter Elizabeth Reed married Sir Richard Brent. Their daughter Anne Brent married my ancestor, Leonard Calvert, first governor of Maryland. This is my Plantagenet connection. If you think the FULKs may be connected, I would be happy to work share what I have with you. Although I have a lot of data, I am still reentering it after a hard disk crash. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Johnson" <billjohnson@clear.net.nz> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: [PDP] Geoffrey V 'The Fair' Plantagenet > Hello All, > Would be interested to find anyone who shares the same lineage as me. Here is an extract: > > Fulk V 'The Younger' Of Anjou + Ermengard (Erembourge) Of Maine > > Child: Geoffrey V 'The Fair' Plantagenet + Matilda (Maud) 'The Empress' (Parents Henry I > Beauclerc' Of England & Matilda 'Atheling' Princess > Of Scotland) > > Child: Henry II 'Curtmantle' Plantagenet + Eleanor Of Aquitaine (Parents William X 'The > Toulousan' Of Aquitaine & Eleanor de Chatellerault > de Rochefoucauld) > > Child: Matilda (Maud) Plantagenet + Henry V 'The Lion' Of Saxony (Parents Henry IV 'The Proud' > Of Bavaria & Saxony & Gertrud von Supplinburg) > > Child (1) Richza Of Bavaria + Waldemar II Of Denmark (Parents Waldemar I 'The Great' Of > Of Denmark & Sofiya Vladimirovna) > > Child (2) Eric IV Of Denmark + Jutta Of Saxony (Parents Albrecht I Of Saxony & Agnes > Princess Of Austria) > > > Would love to find someone with same lineage. Thanks for reading - Bill > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >

I am inputing material in my family tree maker file The House of Anjou, can someone tell me if Maud and Matilda are alternate names for the daughter of Malcolm Canmar and Margaret Aetheling. I have some names in this new family file I created. I started with myself, and am now on Foulques V line. Le

Hi Bruce and all Any book on English history should clear up the confusion here. In the period from 1399 to 1485 the kings of England were still from the family that we now call Plantagenet, so it can be considered part of that era. However these kings came from two branches of the family, those descended from the Dukes of Lancaster and York respectively. From the historical point of view, it is the differences between these branches that were important not their common ancestry. So these branches are often referred to as "Houses" of Lancaster and York, although they are both part of the Plantagenet family. So both statements are right, depending on wheteher you have an ancestral or a historical point of view. John Bibby England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce White" <bwhite@cyberancestors.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:33 PM Subject: [PDP] Plantagenet Dynasty > While researching the Plantagenets I have found several versions of the > actual time frame. Among these are 2 that stand out more often but > still leave the question of the time span. > > Sources 1: Indicate that the Plantagenet Reign was from 1154-1399. > Sources 2: Indicate that the Plantagenet Reign was from 1154-1485. > > Does anyone have a source that might clarify this confusion? > > Thank you, > Bruce White > > >

Also Doug's book will be available for shipping sometime in April. You can contact Doug via email royalancestry@msn.com. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I I think I posted this already, but for those who did not see it. I descend from the Wiatts of Allington Maidstone Kent. My connection to the lines of the Plantagenets is through Elizabeth Brooke, her grandmother Margaret Neville. And great-grandmother was Katherine Howard daughter of Robert Howard and Margaret Mowbray. So the Brooke\Howard\Mowbray lines connect to Edward III. You can find the source in The Plantagenet Ancestry 1st. Ed. pp. 197, & 288. One other source is Magna Charta Sureties by Frederick Lewis Weis. 5th Ed. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] Edward I Jim, I'll be glad to share mine..Bubba. -----Original Message----- From: Jim & Sherry Beattie [mailto:jbeattie@kingston.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:29 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Le Would yopu be willing to share your connection through the Mowbray line as I am also a Mowbray descendant. all the best Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have > family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection > between > the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about > 784 > AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. > > > Shirley > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I think I posted this already, but for those who did not see it. I descend from the Wiatts of Allington Maidstone Kent. My connection to the lines of the Plantagenets is through Elizabeth Brooke, her grandmother Margaret Neville. And great-grandmother was Katherine Howard daughter of Robert Howard and Margaret Mowbray. So the Brooke\Howard\Mowbray lines connect to Edward III. You can find the source in The Plantagenet Ancestry 1st. Ed. pp. 197, & 288. One other source is Magna Charta Sureties by Frederick Lewis Weis. 5th Ed. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wrenn, Bubba" <bwrenn@umpublishing.org> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] Edward I Jim, I'll be glad to share mine..Bubba. -----Original Message----- From: Jim & Sherry Beattie [mailto:jbeattie@kingston.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:29 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Le Would yopu be willing to share your connection through the Mowbray line as I am also a Mowbray descendant. all the best Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have > family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection > between > the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about > 784 > AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. > > > Shirley > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Here’s just a couple of web sites for Plantagenet descendants to identify their ties http://www.angelfire.com/ca/tsunamilord/plantagenet.html http://www.corriebusinessgroup.com/research/ekings.php as well as a mnemonic for memorizing the dynasties http://www.eudesign.com/mnems/roydeng.htm There are many more sites than this, but Bruce Is right in noting that most say Richard II was the last of the Plantagenet Kings and Henry IV was from the house of Lancaster – and others from the house of York …….. So then bring up http://www.warsoftheroses.com/ And we who have ended up on this side of the pond sometimes think our elections are nasty! Just look what our folks were doing long before us to stay in power ….. Barbara Dudley Washburn

Hi my connection through the Mowbray's was Margaret Mowbray married Robert Howard. Their daughter Katherine married my ancestor Edward Fitz Ralph 5th Lord Neville Source Faris, David Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonist Coming to America. P.197, 198. 1st ED. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Sherry Beattie" <jbeattie@kingston.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Le Would yopu be willing to share your connection through the Mowbray line as I am also a Mowbray descendant. all the best Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have > family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection > between > the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about > 784 > AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. > > > Shirley > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

There are several sites online that have e-text. The Medieval Sourcebook is one site. THere is also one titled Bibliotheca Latina. Which also has Medieval text. Any University that has a Medieval Department, will probably have a site Fordham does, also Calgary I believe. Tuft's also has The Perseus Project, which has Latin sources, they may have Medieval Latin Sources. I know they have Classical Latin Authors. This is all I can think of at the moment. I can contact subsrcibers of either The Anglo-Saxon Net or Soc.Genealogy.Medieval to see where an excellent site is. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to How do I get a copy of Gastum Norman? My son is a wiz at Latin translation. I assume no one else has translated it? Christine Czarnecki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to > That maybe Gastum Norman instead of Normanum by Dudo. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Belz" <jcb123abcd@hotmail.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to > > > Readers: If I believe the family trees I find on Rootsweb, I have many > connections to the Plantagenet Family. What is the best source(s) of > information on "Early Americans" with royals connections. I have many > relations that were colonials which show connections to royals, but are > never mentioned on the lists I find. John from Nebraska > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi- I looked in a book I have, titled "The Timetables of History" The New Third Revised Edition by Bernard Grun, based upon Werner Stein's "Kulturfahrplan. Under History/Politics section for year 1154, it says "Stephen died, Henry II King of England ; from now till 1485 the House of Plantagnet rules England". I'm thinking this should be pretty accurate as the history on William The Conquerer is accurate, as well as other things I've checked....Teri

Dear Le Would yopu be willing to share your connection through the Mowbray line as I am also a Mowbray descendant. all the best Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have > family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection > between > the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about > 784 > AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. > > > Shirley > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Jim, I'll be glad to share mine..Bubba. -----Original Message----- From: Jim & Sherry Beattie [mailto:jbeattie@kingston.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:29 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Le Would yopu be willing to share your connection through the Mowbray line as I am also a Mowbray descendant. all the best Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > The Plantagenet ancestral line is indeed connected to Charlemagne. I have > family ancestors that links my lines to both and proves the connection > between > the two of them. I have traced my ancestors, and all on paper, back to about > 784 > AS.D. so tit is extensive to say the least. Good luck with your research. > > > Shirley > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

While researching the Plantagenets I have found several versions of the actual time frame. Among these are 2 that stand out more often but still leave the question of the time span. Sources 1: Indicate that the Plantagenet Reign was from 1154-1399. Sources 2: Indicate that the Plantagenet Reign was from 1154-1485. Does anyone have a source that might clarify this confusion? Thank you, Bruce White

How do I get a copy of Gastum Norman? My son is a wiz at Latin translation. I assume no one else has translated it? Christine Czarnecki ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to > That maybe Gastum Norman instead of Normanum by Dudo. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Belz" <jcb123abcd@hotmail.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] Confirmation of Relation to > > > Readers: If I believe the family trees I find on Rootsweb, I have many > connections to the Plantagenet Family. What is the best source(s) of > information on "Early Americans" with royals connections. I have many > relations that were colonials which show connections to royals, but are > never mentioned on the lists I find. John from Nebraska > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. > http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Henry I assume he was the one called Beauclerc, now his son was said to be Geoffroi Plantagenet. Correct, his grandson Henry Curtmantle aka Henry II. I assumed that Henry I's father was William Rufus, but will have to check my Kings List to see. Wasn't William Rufus the son of William I. Perhaps Henry's father was Stephen, which would make William Rufus his grandfather. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <DnhMarion@aol.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Le: In answer to your question, yes, there are several descents from Charlemagne that go thru the Plantagenet royal line. One of the most celebrated is thru Matilda of Flanders, who married William, Duke of Normandy, later King of England. William and Matilda are great-grandparents of Henry I, King of England. Lee ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237