Amanda, Amanda McCormick wrote: >Hello all, >I am new to the list and was wondering if anyone could help me with information on one of my ancestors. Her name was Eleanor PLANTAGENET b 1311and d. 1376. She married Robert FITZALAN d. 1376. I would like to find our who her parents were and if she was a member of the royal family. > >Thank you, >Amanda >Boise, Idaho > Who you seem to have here is Eleanor de Lancaster (1311-1372), daughter of Henry, 3rd Earl of Lancaster and Maud Chaworth. Henry de Lancaster was the grandson of Henry III, King of England, making Eleanor Henry III's great-granddaughter. Eleanor was the wife of (1) Sir John de Beaumont, Earl of Buchan (1318-1342) and (2) Sir Richard 'Cropped Hat' FitzAlan, 9th Earl of Arundel (~1313-1376). The name Plantagenet was not used as a surname until about the middle of the fifteenth century and Eleanor, while descended from Plantagenet kings (the name given the royal house to distinguish it from other dynasties), was a Lancaster. If this is correct, your descendant would be one of Eleanor's children from her second marriage: Richard, Alice, John, Thomas (Edward), Joane, Mary, Eleanor, or Edmund FitzAlan. Jim

Hello all, I am new to the list and was wondering if anyone could help me with information on one of my ancestors. Her name was Eleanor PLANTAGENET b 1311and d. 1376. She married Robert FITZALAN d. 1376. I would like to find our who her parents were and if she was a member of the royal family. Thank you, Amanda Boise, Idaho

Bubba and Christine: Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >>From my research he died young. > Correct, he died at age 24. (ES II:82 gives the dates: 1 Jun 1134-26 Jul 1158); unmarried [BP(MCMLXIII):lviii] > >-----Original Message----- >From: Christine Zender [mailto:zenderconnection@hotmail.com] >Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:17 AM >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PDP] Geoffrey VI "the Mantell" (or Martel) Plantagenet > > >Does anyone have any historical information on: > >Geoffrey VI "Mantell" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF NANTES] > Aside from the above found in Burke's Peerage and Europaische Stammtafeln, there is a brief bio on him found in John Cannon & Ralph Griffiths, "The Oxford Illustrated History of the British Monarchy, Oxford University Press, Oxford, New York, 1998, pp. 88-9. Also see Mike Ashley, "The Mammoth Book of British Kings & Queens," Carol & Graf Publishers, Inc., NY, 1000. p. 520. While he didn't have a great number of personal acomplishments, he was politically very important to his older brother, Henry II of England. Jim p.s. "Martel" meant "hammer" and was the nickname of Geoffrey II, Geoffrey VI's 3rd great uncle. >son of Geoffrey V "le Bon" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF ANJOU] and Matilda (Maud) >Empress Of /GERMANY/ [PRINCESS OF ENGLAND] > >Born: 3 Jun 1134 , Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France (or Argentan, Normandy, >France) > >Died: 28 Jul 1158, Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, France > >He's the younger brother of Henry II. > >I have yet, to find any information on Geoffrey VI other than his birth and >death dates. If you have any information at all on him, please email me. > >Thankyou, > >Anne Christine > >

Ummm... I'm not sure, but I don't think so. He was Henry II's brother... and he died at the ripe old age of 23 :) in the year 1158. When he died all his assests Anjou and Nantes were given to his brother, King Henry II, instead of to children. That's all I know about him. But his grandfather was Fulk V, King of Jeruselem; and Geoffrey VI had a younger brother named Guillaume (or William) PLANTAGENET COUNT OF POITOU and two younger sisters, Emma and Mary... I think. As for anything else, I'm not sure... most historical books I read only indicate that he was born in 1134 and died in 1158, nothing else much is said about him... but i have reason to believe that he could have been involved with the Templars. His grandfather was a big patron of that organization and the head of the Templars attended Geoffrey the V's wedding (Geoffrey's father). Anne >Was he the one that married Constance de BRETAGNE. they had two children that I know of Arthur, and Arthur dec de BRETAGNE was born 29 Mar 1187 at Nantes, captured by King John [Lackland] about 1202 probaby at Rouen. He was murdered 3 April 1203 buried at Norte Dame. Geoffrey VI's daughter was Alianor la Brette. born 1184. She was sister of the whole blood and sole heiress imprisoned by King John, remained in prison under Henry III, died 10 Aug 1241, unmarried, probably [first buried] in Corfe Castle, eventually [buried] at the convent of Amesbury co. Wiltshire. Page 223 Faris, David Plantagenet Ancestry 1st Ed. Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore Md. 1996. Le _________________________________________________________________ Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time Offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

From my research he died young. -----Original Message----- From: Christine Zender [mailto:zenderconnection@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:17 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] Geoffrey VI "the Mantell" (or Martel) Plantagenet Does anyone have any historical information on: Geoffrey VI "Mantell" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF NANTES] son of Geoffrey V "le Bon" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF ANJOU] and Matilda (Maud) Empress Of /GERMANY/ [PRINCESS OF ENGLAND] Born: 3 Jun 1134 , Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France (or Argentan, Normandy, France) Died: 28 Jul 1158, Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, France He's the younger brother of Henry II. I have yet, to find any information on Geoffrey VI other than his birth and death dates. If you have any information at all on him, please email me. Thankyou, Anne Christine _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

My William Longswords was the original one born in 900 A.D. He was the grandfather of Richard II "The Good" Duc de Normandie d.b. 996 who died 28 Aug 1026. Richard II Duc de Normandie 's mother was Gunnor of Denmark. His father was Richard I Duc de Normandie (933-996) 1m. 962. ----- Original Message ----- From: "decou" <decou@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg I'm curious about you saying that William the Conqueror descended from William Longswords. The only William Longswords I know of was William Longespee, a natural son of Henry II. He became Earl of Salisbury. Where does your William appear? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the > questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" > father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do > not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. > And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the > greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, > Godfrey, Charles The Child. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > > > Hi Le; > In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the > House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called > Croise (cross). > > John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified > towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, > Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's > daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, > who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). > > William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. > After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with > Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the > line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and > later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in > Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). > > Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted > names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and > many others, are all part of the line!! > > Patrick Burke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

That is supposed to be Duc de BRETAGNE. Sorry. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Geoffrey VI "the Mantell" (or Martel) Plantagenet Was he the one that married Constance de BRETAGNE. they had two children that I know of Arthur, and Arthur dec de BRETAGNE was born 29 Mar 1187 at Nantes, captured by King John [Lackland] about 1202 probaby at Rouen. He was murdered 3 April 1203 buried at Norte Dame. Geoffrey VI's daughter was Alianor la Brette. born 1184. She was sister of the whole blood and sole heiress imprisoned by King John, remained in prison under Henry III, died 10 Aug 1241, unmarried, probably [first buried] in Corfe Castle, eventually [buried] at the convent of Amesbury co. Wiltshire. Page 223 Faris, David Plantagenet Ancestry 1st Ed. Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore Md. 1996. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Zender" <zenderconnection@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: [PDP] Geoffrey VI "the Mantell" (or Martel) Plantagenet Does anyone have any historical information on: Geoffrey VI "Mantell" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF NANTES] son of Geoffrey V "le Bon" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF ANJOU] and Matilda (Maud) Empress Of /GERMANY/ [PRINCESS OF ENGLAND] Born: 3 Jun 1134 , Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France (or Argentan, Normandy, France) Died: 28 Jul 1158, Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, France He's the younger brother of Henry II. I have yet, to find any information on Geoffrey VI other than his birth and death dates. If you have any information at all on him, please email me. Thankyou, Anne Christine _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

This is what I also have on John de Bourg. Charles was also known as Duke of Ingelheim, born 772, died 811. He was one of the many children of Charlemagne. I would like also, to find a group that discusses Charlemagne. Please let me know if you find one? Pat Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:08 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Is there a group which discusses the genealogy of Charlemagne? Jean de Bourg is supposedly descended from him. His greatgreatgrandfather was said to be Charles the Child 772-811, who married Julian of Ingelheim. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I D http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

He was the second one named William Longswords. William Duc de Normandie's great-grandfather was William Longsword son of Rollo Ragnvaldsson. Henry II's son was namesake of this earlier William Longsword, who was born in 900 A.D. and assissinated by Arnaulf. ----- Original Message ----- From: "decou" <decou@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg I'm curious about you saying that William the Conqueror descended from William Longswords. The only William Longswords I know of was William Longespee, a natural son of Henry II. He became Earl of Salisbury. Where does your William appear? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the > questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" > father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do > not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. > And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the > greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, > Godfrey, Charles The Child. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > > > Hi Le; > In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the > House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called > Croise (cross). > > John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified > towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, > Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's > daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, > who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). > > William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. > After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with > Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the > line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and > later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in > Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). > > Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted > names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and > many others, are all part of the line!! > > Patrick Burke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Was he the one that married Constance de BRETAGNE. they had two children that I know of Arthur, and Arthur dec de BRETAGNE was born 29 Mar 1187 at Nantes, captured by King John [Lackland] about 1202 probaby at Rouen. He was murdered 3 April 1203 buried at Norte Dame. Geoffrey VI's daughter was Alianor la Brette. born 1184. She was sister of the whole blood and sole heiress imprisoned by King John, remained in prison under Henry III, died 10 Aug 1241, unmarried, probably [first buried] in Corfe Castle, eventually [buried] at the convent of Amesbury co. Wiltshire. Page 223 Faris, David Plantagenet Ancestry 1st Ed. Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore Md. 1996. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Zender" <zenderconnection@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 1:16 AM Subject: [PDP] Geoffrey VI "the Mantell" (or Martel) Plantagenet Does anyone have any historical information on: Geoffrey VI "Mantell" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF NANTES] son of Geoffrey V "le Bon" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF ANJOU] and Matilda (Maud) Empress Of /GERMANY/ [PRINCESS OF ENGLAND] Born: 3 Jun 1134 , Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France (or Argentan, Normandy, France) Died: 28 Jul 1158, Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, France He's the younger brother of Henry II. I have yet, to find any information on Geoffrey VI other than his birth and death dates. If you have any information at all on him, please email me. Thankyou, Anne Christine _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi then Huiloin is the one in question that schalors are not certain of his parentage. At least those scholars on the Gen-Medieval list are not certain of his parentage, whether Jean de Bourge was his parent or not. From what I understand Baldwin II is the father of Jean de Bourg, but finding the evidence is perhaps iffy. Thank you for your help. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:01 PM Subject: RE: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; Robert Duc de Normandie, was the Father of William, who became King of England 1066. Huiloin, or Harlowen, later married the same woman who was his mother (Arletta) sometimes kindly referrred to as "Of the Court of the Duke" when in fact she was the daughter of a Tanner from Falaise, in Normandy. So Arletta is the common link here, as her three sons were: William, King of England and Duke of Normandy (by Robert, Duc de Normande) Robert, Earl of Cornwall ( By Harlowen/Herluin, Count of Conteville) Odo, Earl of Kent and Bishop of Bayeaux.( ditto) There are conflicting opinions as to the father of John de Bourg; The preponderance of opinion that I have found, after many years of exhaustive research.leans towards Baldwin (or Baudoin), founder of the House of Blois. Either way, he is descended from Charlemagne by way of Charles, Duke of Engelheim. Hope this helps!! Pat Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:00 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, Godfrey, Charles The Child. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Thanks to everyone who contributed with information regarding Matilda (Maud) 'Atheling' and Henry I Beauclerc. It is a really confusing family to untangle. Someone mentioned that Matilda (Maud) 'Atheling' was formerly Edith. On my tree I have Henry I Beauclerc marrying Edith (Eda) Fitzforne and becoming the parents of Maud Of England who married Routrou II 'The Great' du Perche. Perhaps this is where the Edith comes from. I would really like to find someone who originates from the same lineage as me. I come in through Scandinavian lines. Agnes Haakonsdotter married Hafthor Jonsson (Roos) Parents of Agnes: Haakon V Magnusson King Of Norway married Unknown. Parents of Haakon: Ingeborg Eriksdatter (Dronning av Norge) married Magnus V 'Lagaboter' Haakonsson. Parents Of Ingeborg: Eric IV Of Denmark married Jutta Of Saxony. Parents Of Eric IV: Richza Of Bavaria married Waldemar II Of Denmard. Parents Of Richza: Matilda (Maud) Plantagenet married Henry V 'The Lion' Of Saxony. Paents Of Matilda: Henry II 'Curtmantle' Plantagenet married Eleanor Of Aquitaine. Parents Of Henry: Geoffrey V 'The Fair' Plantagenet married Matilda (Maud) 'The Empress' Hoping for success and thanks for reading - Bill

Hi Le; Robert Duc de Normandie, was the Father of William, who became King of England 1066. Huiloin, or Harlowen, later married the same woman who was his mother (Arletta) sometimes kindly referrred to as "Of the Court of the Duke" when in fact she was the daughter of a Tanner from Falaise, in Normandy. So Arletta is the common link here, as her three sons were: William, King of England and Duke of Normandy (by Robert, Duc de Normande) Robert, Earl of Cornwall ( By Harlowen/Herluin, Count of Conteville) Odo, Earl of Kent and Bishop of Bayeaux.( ditto) There are conflicting opinions as to the father of John de Bourg; The preponderance of opinion that I have found, after many years of exhaustive research.leans towards Baldwin (or Baudoin), founder of the House of Blois. Either way, he is descended from Charlemagne by way of Charles, Duke of Engelheim. Hope this helps!! Pat Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:00 AM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, Godfrey, Charles The Child. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I'm curious about you saying that William the Conqueror descended from William Longswords. The only William Longswords I know of was William Longespee, a natural son of Henry II. He became Earl of Salisbury. Where does your William appear? JD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Le Bateman" <LeBateman@netzero.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the > questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" > father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do > not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. > And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the > greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, > Godfrey, Charles The Child. > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM > Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg > > > Hi Le; > In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the > House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called > Croise (cross). > > John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified > towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, > Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's > daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, > who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). > > William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. > After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with > Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the > line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and > later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in > Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). > > Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted > names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and > many others, are all part of the line!! > > Patrick Burke > > -----Original Message----- > From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] > Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > Dear Shirley > Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, > Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which > were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys > Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke > line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was > James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the > Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I > have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was > a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that > married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family > of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? > Thank you > Le > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Does anyone have any historical information on: Geoffrey VI "Mantell" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF NANTES] son of Geoffrey V "le Bon" /PLANTAGENET/ [COUNT OF ANJOU] and Matilda (Maud) Empress Of /GERMANY/ [PRINCESS OF ENGLAND] Born: 3 Jun 1134 , Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France (or Argentan, Normandy, France) Died: 28 Jul 1158, Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, France He's the younger brother of Henry II. I have yet, to find any information on Geoffrey VI other than his birth and death dates. If you have any information at all on him, please email me. Thankyou, Anne Christine _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Is there a group which discusses the genealogy of Charlemagne? Jean de Bourg is supposedly descended from him. His greatgreatgrandfather was said to be Charles the Child 772-811, who married Julian of Ingelheim. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Le, Is this part of your question? When Guillaume Duke of Normandy conquered England in 1066, he became King William I as well as Duke of Normandy. You know, I really like the University of Hull website for these lines. It is accurate and user-friendly. And I often get quite lost learning about people and history I don't remember ever learning. Anyway, you might want to give it a try. Here's William, I, the Conqueror. You can find your way from there. http://www3.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal1380 Barbara Dudley Washburn Le wrote: I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, Godfrey, Charles The Child. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I

I am puzzled about the information below. So sorry for all of the questions. Something does not seem right. I know that Robert "The Devil" father of William The Conqueror was descended from William Longswords. I do not think Robert Duc de Normandie and Huiloin de Counteville are the same. And John de Bourg was the son of Baldwin II King of Jerusalem. Who was the greatgreatgreatgrandson of Charlemagne. Baldwin II, Baldwin I, Rolland, Godfrey, Charles The Child. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thank you, so Marilu Burch Smallwood was right. She laid that out in her book The Family of Birch, Burch of England and America. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Burke" <patburke@guam.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: John de Bourg Hi Le; In regard to John de Bourg, I have him as the son of Baldwin, founder of the House of Blois. Baldwin was the son of Godfrey of Nuestra, sometimes called Croise (cross). John gained his name by virtue of being commander of the Kings fortified towns in the region of Normandy. he was also Baron of Toursbourg. His son, Harlowen de Bourg, later Count de Conteville, married Arletta, the tanner's daughter from Falaise, who had a child with the Duke of Normandy earlier, who became known as William the Conqueror, King of England (1066). William travelled to England with his two half-brothers, Robert and odo. After the Battle of Hastings, the two were well rewarded by William, with Robert as Earl of Cornwall, Odo as Earl of Kent.It is from Robert that the line becomes de Burgo (Latin version,after their arrival in England) and later de Burgh (the Anglo-saxon spelling, a few years later) and then in Ireland, it became Burke (in Galway) or Bourke (in Mayo). Actually, there are many variations to this name, as descendants adopted names of their fathers, or of the area they lived etc. Bourk, Birch, and many others, are all part of the line!! Patrick Burke -----Original Message----- From: Le Bateman [mailto:LeBateman@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:38 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I Dear Shirley Thanks for responding. My Wyatt lines connected through the Brooke, Howard, Mowbrays, Neville, and many others. Even the Touchet\Tuchet which were the Lord Audleys. I have a Neville, and Brooke that married Audleys Ralph Fitz Randolph 2nd Lord Neville married Alice de Audley. And the Brooke line Edward Brooke married a Elizabeth Tuchet ( de Audley). Whose father was James 6th Lord Audley. In regard to the Counts of Flanders did one of the Baldwins have a son named John de Bourg? Could have been John de Bourk. I have not been able to confirm this. Supposedly one of my Birch ancestors was a descendant of Baldwin III. Anyway the Baldwin whose sister Elftrude that married Sigefried of Denmark. If not then what sources connected the family of the Birches of Ardwick to this family? Thank you Le ----- Original Message ----- From: <Friend1057@wmconnect.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 11:27 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Edward I ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237