I looked at the descendency on that link again and it goes to Abe Lincoln himself, not his wife. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "susannah ohhhh" <susannah_o@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > Now that information will make my sister very happy....My grandmother always > said we were related to Jesse James but I could not make a connection...I > will forward this to her...LOL..I have traced the Jones' back to Virginia > but not their entry into the country...I can get to Hezekiah JOnes in abt > 1730, Amherst county, Virginia... > > > >From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > >Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:13:04 -0400 > > > >I'm related to a couple Howards before Matthew but, my line goes off > through > >Catherine. > > > >I saw you were from a Jones also, Murray, my grandfather was from Jones > >also, still in MD. > > > >I was looking at the link to Matthew Howard and this line shows that he > is > >the ancestor of Mary Todd Lincoln, President Lincoln's wife, as well as > >Jesse James and the James brothers. > >Wendy > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "susannah ohhhh" <susannah_o@hotmail.com> > >To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:34 PM > >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > > > > > Yes, I believe this is the same Matthew Howard.... > > > > > > > > > &gt;From: &quot;Priestlybride&quot; > &lt;priestlybride@ineva.com&gt; > > > &gt;Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > > > &gt;To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > > > &gt;Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > &gt;Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:23:03 -0500 > > > &gt; > > > &gt;Is this the same Matthew Howard? There is a write up on > this page > >also. > > > &gt;Wendy > > > > >&gt;http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&amp;db=dbloch er&amp;id=I1 > >53348 > > > &gt;Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:32 PM > > > &gt;Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > &gt; > > > &gt; > > > &gt; &gt; My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was > Matthew Howard, abt > > > 1635 in > > > &gt;Anne > > > &gt; &gt; Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to > John of Gaunt, > > > through > > > &gt;Joan > > > &gt; &gt; Beaufort... > > > &gt; > > > &gt; > > > &gt; > > > &gt;============================== > > > &gt;Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > > &gt;Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to > learn more. > > > > &gt;http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&amp;sourceid= 1237 > > > &gt; > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans > >available. > > > > >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm 00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN > Premium! > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/ > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
I know my great great grandfather Jones but haven't done research on the other Jones. My mom was a member of the DAR and they went away from the Jones line in order to go to the Revolutionary War. The earliest Jones I have is John Clayton, born 1839 Padsworth, MD, died Hall, MD. Glad to help with the link. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "susannah ohhhh" <susannah_o@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > Now that information will make my sister very happy....My grandmother always > said we were related to Jesse James but I could not make a connection...I > will forward this to her...LOL..I have traced the Jones' back to Virginia > but not their entry into the country...I can get to Hezekiah JOnes in abt > 1730, Amherst county, Virginia...
Now that information will make my sister very happy....My grandmother always said we were related to Jesse James but I could not make a connection...I will forward this to her...LOL..I have traced the Jones' back to Virginia but not their entry into the country...I can get to Hezekiah JOnes in abt 1730, Amherst county, Virginia... >From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors >Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 17:13:04 -0400 > >I'm related to a couple Howards before Matthew but, my line goes off through >Catherine. > >I saw you were from a Jones also, Murray, my grandfather was from Jones >also, still in MD. > >I was looking at the link to Matthew Howard and this line shows that he is >the ancestor of Mary Todd Lincoln, President Lincoln's wife, as well as >Jesse James and the James brothers. >Wendy > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "susannah ohhhh" <susannah_o@hotmail.com> >To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:34 PM >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > > Yes, I believe this is the same Matthew Howard.... > > > > > > &gt;From: &quot;Priestlybride&quot; &lt;priestlybride@ineva.com&gt; > > &gt;Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > > &gt;To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > > &gt;Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > &gt;Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:23:03 -0500 > > &gt; > > &gt;Is this the same Matthew Howard? There is a write up on this page >also. > > &gt;Wendy > > >&gt;http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&amp;db=dblocher&amp;id=I1 >53348 > > &gt;Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:32 PM > > &gt;Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; &gt; My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was Matthew Howard, abt > > 1635 in > > &gt;Anne > > &gt; &gt; Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to John of Gaunt, > > through > > &gt;Joan > > &gt; &gt; Beaufort... > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt; > > &gt;============================== > > &gt;Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > &gt;Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > &gt;http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&amp;sourceid=1237 > > &gt; > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans >available. > > >http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb&pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/
I'm related to a couple Howards before Matthew but, my line goes off through Catherine. I saw you were from a Jones also, Murray, my grandfather was from Jones also, still in MD. I was looking at the link to Matthew Howard and this line shows that he is the ancestor of Mary Todd Lincoln, President Lincoln's wife, as well as Jesse James and the James brothers. Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "susannah ohhhh" <susannah_o@hotmail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > Yes, I believe this is the same Matthew Howard.... > > > >From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > >Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:23:03 -0500 > > > >Is this the same Matthew Howard? There is a write up on this page also. > >Wendy > >http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dblocher&id=I1 53348 > >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:32 PM > >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > > > > > My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was Matthew Howard, abt > 1635 in > >Anne > > > Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to John of Gaunt, > through > >Joan > > > Beaufort... > > > > > > > >============================== > >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
Marc Yes, some are affiliated with the Plantagenet family, some aren't. In the case of the Lords of Bamburgh, any descendant of John of Gaunt, Richard II, or Henry V, is also a descendant of these early Angle warlords. Also, the later Stewart Kings of Scotland and England have Plantagenet ancestry. Apparently I'm not the only one here with as many or more Scottish (by the way, Scotch is a drink) ancestors than English, though. How do you tell which you have more of? I guess you could count, but that only reflects how many who you can find records for. The rule of thumb for me is how many lined up on each side at the battle of Bannockburn in 1314. In my case I have a couple of dozen ancestors who I know were with the Scots while only a few (again, that I know of) were with the English. But I can trace more English branches back further than I can many of my Scottish families so I probably have a lot more ancestors through my Plantagenet connections. The Red Douglases (the Earls of Angus) and the Black Douglases (The Earls of Douglas) were two principal branches of the same family, both descended from different sons of Sir William 'le Hardi' Douglas, Lord of Douglas. The senior branch, the Black Douglases, were so named for being descended from Sir James 'the Black' Douglas, Lord of Douglas, who was the constant companion of Robert the Bruce (called Sir James 'the Good' by Scottish historians). Jim Marc Sanders wrote: Jim Are any of these families connected to the Plantagenet family? They seem more Scottish than English, although I don't know how you tell if you're more Scotch than English. And I'll bite what is the difference between the Red Douglases and the Black Douglases? Marc.
Jim Are any of these families connected to the Plantagenet family? They seem more Scottish than English, although I don't know how you tell if you're more Scotch than English. And I'll bite what is the difference between the Red Douglases and the Black Douglases? Marc. And we do seem to have other common connections--to the Stewarts, Bruces, Lords of Raby, and the Lords of Bamburg, to mention just a few I see. I also noted you're descended from the Red Douglases--any Black Douglases in there as well? Support Care2 Email: Stop "scientific" whaling, the whale-killing loophole http://www.care2.com/go/z/12803
I don't know about the black Douglas' but definitely Robert the Bruce....I am not computer literate enough to know if I have a relationship calculator but I'll take your word for it..Hi Cousin...LOL... >From: JF <gen9@cox.net> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors >Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:25:09 -0700 > >Susannah, > >Do you have a relationship calculator in your genealogy software >(Family TreeMaker, Generations, Reunion, The Master Genealogist, >etc.)? If so, it usually will give you the relationship to any >person in your tree via the shortest route (Generations, Reunion, >and The Master Genealogist will anyway). But in counting via this >list, it appears she's your 18th great grandmother. As such, using >the cousin calculator I mentioned in an earlier message, that makes >you and I 18th cousins once removed. Via a different connection it >might be shorter or longer. And we do seem to have other common >connections--to the Stewarts, Bruces, Lords of Raby, and the Lords >of Bamburg, to mention just a few I see. I also noted you're >descended from the Red Douglases--any Black Douglases in there as >well? Anyway, thanks for providing the information. > >Jim > >susannah ohhhh wrote: > >>Joan Beaufort is my umptillion great grandmother....Here is the >>line... >> >>Me >>Murray Jones 1921 >>Archie Maraman 1896 >>Arch Gillen Maraman 1870 >>William Francis Maraman 1846 >>Susan Cassandra Magruder 1824 >>Archibald Magruder, Jr. 1800 >>Archibald magruder, Sr. 1751 >>Ninian Magruder, Jr. 1709 >>Elizabeth Brewer 1690 >>Sarah Ridgeley >>Elizabeth Howard 1642 >>Matthew Howard 1609 >>John Howard 1578 >>Robert Howard 1537 >>Margaret Douglas 1515 >>Margaret, Queen of Scotland 1489 >>Henry VII and Elizabeth, Princess of England 1465... >> > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp
Susannah, Do you have a relationship calculator in your genealogy software (Family TreeMaker, Generations, Reunion, The Master Genealogist, etc.)? If so, it usually will give you the relationship to any person in your tree via the shortest route (Generations, Reunion, and The Master Genealogist will anyway). But in counting via this list, it appears she's your 18th great grandmother. As such, using the cousin calculator I mentioned in an earlier message, that makes you and I 18th cousins once removed. Via a different connection it might be shorter or longer. And we do seem to have other common connections--to the Stewarts, Bruces, Lords of Raby, and the Lords of Bamburg, to mention just a few I see. I also noted you're descended from the Red Douglases--any Black Douglases in there as well? Anyway, thanks for providing the information. Jim susannah ohhhh wrote: > Joan Beaufort is my umptillion great grandmother....Here is the line... > > Me > Murray Jones 1921 > Archie Maraman 1896 > Arch Gillen Maraman 1870 > William Francis Maraman 1846 > Susan Cassandra Magruder 1824 > Archibald Magruder, Jr. 1800 > Archibald magruder, Sr. 1751 > Ninian Magruder, Jr. 1709 > Elizabeth Brewer 1690 > Sarah Ridgeley > Elizabeth Howard 1642 > Matthew Howard 1609 > John Howard 1578 > Robert Howard 1537 > Margaret Douglas 1515 > Margaret, Queen of Scotland 1489 > Henry VII and Elizabeth, Princess of England 1465... >
Yes, I believe this is the same Matthew Howard.... >From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors >Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:23:03 -0500 > >Is this the same Matthew Howard? There is a write up on this page also. >Wendy >http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dblocher&id=I153348 >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:32 PM >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > > My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was Matthew Howard, abt 1635 in >Anne > > Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to John of Gaunt, through >Joan > > Beaufort... > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
Joan Beaufort is my umptillion great grandmother....Here is the line... Me Murray Jones 1921 Archie Maraman 1896 Arch Gillen Maraman 1870 William Francis Maraman 1846 Susan Cassandra Magruder 1824 Archibald Magruder, Jr. 1800 Archibald magruder, Sr. 1751 Ninian Magruder, Jr. 1709 Elizabeth Brewer 1690 Sarah Ridgeley Elizabeth Howard 1642 Matthew Howard 1609 John Howard 1578 Robert Howard 1537 Margaret Douglas 1515 Margaret, Queen of Scotland 1489 Henry VII and Elizabeth, Princess of England 1465 From here on I have lots of connections to the Beaufort children, Including John...My 19th generation is John Howard and Alice Tendring Thomas De Mobray and Elizabeth Fitzalan Richard De Moleyns and Eleanor Beaumont Archibald Douglas and Elizabeth Boyd John Drummond and Elizabeth Lindsay Edmund tudor and Margaret Beaufort Edward IV and Elizabeth Woodville >From: JF <gen9@cox.net> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors >Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 15:13:56 -0700 > >Susannah, > >Exactly what is Joan Beaufort's relationship to you? I ask because, >as I mentioned earlier in another message, John Beaufort, her >brother, is my 17th ggf. > >Jim > >susannah ohhhh wrote: > >>My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was Matthew Howard, abt 1635 >>in Anne Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to John of >>Gaunt, through Joan Beaufort... > > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage! Multiple plans available. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=hotmail/es2&ST=1/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/
Jim I sincerely hope you find out and if you do I would like to know also. But it may be just too difficult a question for this particular list. Good luck anyway Marc Support Care2 Email: Stop "scientific" whaling, the whale-killing loophole http://www.care2.com/go/z/12803
Susannah, Exactly what is Joan Beaufort's relationship to you? I ask because, as I mentioned earlier in another message, John Beaufort, her brother, is my 17th ggf. Jim susannah ohhhh wrote: > My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was Matthew Howard, abt 1635 in > Anne Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to John of Gaunt, > through Joan Beaufort...
Is this the same Matthew Howard? There is a write up on this page also. Wendy http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dblocher&id=I153348 Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was Matthew Howard, abt 1635 in Anne > Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to John of Gaunt, through Joan > Beaufort...
Mine were also at Jamestown, Col. Walter Chiles. Apparently, I'm eligible to join the Jamestown Socity. Suzanne Chiles > -----Original Message----- > From: Donna Delgadillo [mailto:donna.d@mail.com] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:54 AM > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > Ha, beat you... mine were at Jamestown! > Donna Delgadillo > I'm just playing, shouldn't we list who they are? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue VanCleave" <suzannevancleave@comcast.net> > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:36:18 -0700 > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > Both my husband and I are descendents of the first colonist. > In New York, > > Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland and Massachusetts. > > > > Suzanne (Moore) VanCleave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > > > > I just subscribed to this list a couple weeks ago and haven't > participated > > > yet. I am descended from the first colony in MD and my > ancestors go back > > to > > > the Plantagenets also. I was just wondering how many of you > were from the > > > first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. > > > Wendy > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
My early Plantagenet colonial ancestor was Matthew Howard, abt 1635 in Anne Arundel county, Maryland..The line goes back to John of Gaunt, through Joan Beaufort... >From: JF <gen9@cox.net> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors >Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:35:12 -0700 > >Wendy, > >My 7th ggf was Thomas Burnet, of Southampton, L.I., N.Y., one of the >first English (he was actually a Scot) to settle Long Island in >1640-3. I have others also, but he's the main connection I have to >the Plantagenets. > >Jim > >Priestlybride wrote: > >>I just subscribed to this list a couple weeks ago and haven't >>participated >>yet. I am descended from the first colony in MD and my ancestors >>go back to >>the Plantagenets also. I was just wondering how many of you were >>from the >>first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. >>Wendy >> >> >> >> > > >============================== >Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > _________________________________________________________________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp
Here is what I have on one of my lines. Some connections are questionable, found in Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com sites. If you know of any corrections, please let me know. I know that the Internet is not the most reliable source. If at all possible include the source of information. Ida (Isabel) Plantagenet [1154-????] = Roger Bigod [1150-1221] Hugh Le Bigod [1186-1225] = Maud (Matilda) Marshall [1192-1248] Isabel Bigod [1222] = John FitzGeoffrey [1215-1258] Maud FitzGeoffrey [1237-1301] = William De Beauchamp [1227-1298] Isabel De Beauchamp [1252-????] = Hugh Le Despencer [1259-1326] Hugh Le Despencer [1260-1326] = Eleanore De Clare [1292-1337] Elizabeth Le Despencer [1322-1389] = Maurice De Kerkeley [1330-1368] Thomas De Berkeley [1352-1417] = Margaret Lisle [1359-1392] Elizabeth De Berkeley [1385-1422] = Richard De Beauchamp [1380-1439] Elizabeth De Beauchamp [1417-????] = George Neville [1414-1469] Henry Neville [1437-1469] = Joan Bourchier [1442-1470] Thomas Neville [1468-1546] = Letitia Harcourt [1494-????] Ellen Neville [1508-1547] = Kenelm Bucke [1504-1549] Mary Bucke [1505-1560] = William Winslow [1510-1529] Kenelm Winslow [1528-1607] = Catherine Buck [1530-1607] Edward Winslow [1560-abt. 1620] = Magdaline Olive [1566-????] Kenelm Winslow [1599-1672] = Eleanor Newton [1598-1681] (settled in MA) Eleanor or Ellen Winslow [1637-1676] = Samuel Baker [1637-1656] (Settled in Plymouth, MA) Elizabeth Baker [1660-????] = John Witt [1650-????] (John's parents born in Essex Co., MA) Elizabeth Witt [1677-1738] = John Goodell [1681-1752] (John's parents born in Salem, Essex Co., MA) Elizabeth Goodell [1715-????] = Joseph Goodale [1711-1790] Joseph Goodale [1735-1829] = Susanna Hopkins [1737-1825] Joseph Goodell [1857-1828] = Elizabeth (Betsey) Beebe [1771-1856] Joshua Pickett Goodell [1813-1900] = Ursula Sheldon [1816-1890] Warren Farr Goodell [1852-1923] = Ellen Eliza (Ella) Fisk [1853-????] Thomas Roy Goodell [1887-1967] = Mable or Mabel Tiepner [1887-????] Marcella Blanch Goodell [1911-1971] = Floyd James Mitchell Gardner [1895-19??] Vivian Ann Gardner = James Grant Moore [1934-1991] (My Parents) Suzanne Robin Moore (Me) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Delgadillo" <donna.d@mail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > Ha, beat you... mine were at Jamestown! > Donna Delgadillo > I'm just playing, shouldn't we list who they are? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue VanCleave" <suzannevancleave@comcast.net> > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:36:18 -0700 > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > Both my husband and I are descendents of the first colonist. In New York, > > Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland and Massachusetts. > > > > Suzanne (Moore) VanCleave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > > > > I just subscribed to this list a couple weeks ago and haven't participated > > > yet. I am descended from the first colony in MD and my ancestors go back > > to > > > the Plantagenets also. I was just wondering how many of you were from the > > > first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. > > > Wendy > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >
For those who may not know - An invaluable little book with a very long title that nearly fell off the shelf on me late one night when the library was about to close. It quite unexpectedly brought me face to face with my Plantagenet descent through the Mowbrays and the Greys and Blounts and Beauchamps, among others, to the Sutton Dudley Barons: "The Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth-Century Colonists: The Descent from the Later Plantagenet Kings of England, Henry III, Edward I, Edward II, and Edward III, of Emigrants from England and Wales to the North American Colonies Before 1701," by (the late) David Faris. Barbara Dudley Washburn (Also descended from Isaac Allerton, and his wife Mary and daughter Mary; Francis Cooke; John Howland; John Tilley and his wife Joan and daughter Elizabeth; Richard Warren; William White and his wife Susanna and son Resolved ALL passengers on the Mayflower that landed on Cape Cod in 1620 - but none of whom are Plantagenet descendants to our knowledge.) From: KBradford@lourdes-pad.org [mailto:KBradford@lourdes-pad.org] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:06 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM Good idea...it might help to make a connection by including how the individual is linked to the Plantagenets, as well. Might as well take full advantage of this wonderful resource we have. The archives is fully searchable; you never know who might come along looking for your particular lineage. Kevin
On Apr 2, 2004, at 2:36 PM, Sue VanCleave wrote: >> I was just wondering how many of you were from the >> first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. >> Wendy John Guilford, b. 2 Feb 1615, St Andrew Hoborn, London, Middlesex, England, son of John, b. 1580; husband of 1) Mary Knowlton, 2) Susanna Norton. From Massachusetts, Plymouth Colony, Hingham, or, Ipswich, Essex, Massachusetts, ca 1627.
Ha, beat you... mine were at Jamestown! Donna Delgadillo I'm just playing, shouldn't we list who they are? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue VanCleave" <suzannevancleave@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:36:18 -0700 To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > Both my husband and I are descendents of the first colonist. In New York, > Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland and Massachusetts. > > Suzanne (Moore) VanCleave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > I just subscribed to this list a couple weeks ago and haven't participated > > yet. I am descended from the first colony in MD and my ancestors go back > to > > the Plantagenets also. I was just wondering how many of you were from the > > first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. > > Wendy -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm
I have dozens of ancestors from the colonies. I am a member of NSDAR, Colonial Dames, and The National Society Colonial Dames XVII Century. You can find a LOT of my colonial ancestors (many with stories and history) at my website: http://genealogy2.com/ they are found on many pages but I'd suggest you begin by scrolling down and clicking on "Pilgrims" page. Your Cousin, Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue VanCleave" <suzannevancleave@comcast.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > Both my husband and I are descendents of the first colonist. In New York, > Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland and Massachusetts. > > Suzanne (Moore) VanCleave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > I just subscribed to this list a couple weeks ago and haven't participated > > yet. I am descended from the first colony in MD and my ancestors go back > to > > the Plantagenets also. I was just wondering how many of you were from the > > first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. > > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JF" <gen9@cox.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > > > > Gordon et al, > > > > > > Gordon Banks wrote: > > > > > > >Those who are interested in Plantagenet ancestry may want to check out > > > >the CD with the ancestry of Elizabeth of York prepared by Marlyn Lewis. > > > >You can find it by navigating this web site: > > > > > > > >http://kennethharperfinton.com/ > > > > > > > >I'm not associated with Ken Finton, just a satisfied customer for the > > > >CD. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure this enterprise is still in operation. You might want to > > > contact Ken to see just what the situation is currently. He's been > > > awfully quiet for some time and hasn't returned any email messages sent > > > recently. Just a thought... > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >