-----Original Message----- From: Chris Jay Becker [mailto:chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 10:22 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward I to me, and the other two from Edward III: 1 Edward I Longshanks 2 Thomas de Brotherton 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle 8 William OGLE 9 Henry Ogle 10 Luke Ogle 11 Luke Ogle 12 Luke Ogle 13 Luke Ogle 14 Capt. Henry Ogle 15 Capt. John Ogle 16 John Ogle 17 Thomas Ogle 18 John Ogle 19 Thomas Ogle 20 James Ogle 21 Anderson John Ogle 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) 1 Edward III 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville 5 John Neville 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I 7 William Gascoigne II 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster 11 Edmund Craster 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle 13 Capt. Henry Ogle 14 Capt. John Ogle 15 John Ogle 16 Thomas Ogle 17 John Ogle 18 Thomas Ogle 19 James Ogle 20 Anderson John Ogle 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) 1 Edward III 2 Lionel of Antwerp 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy 5 Henry Percy 6 Henry Percy 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster 11 Edmund Craster 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle 13 Capt. Henry Ogle 14 Capt. John Ogle 15 John Ogle 16 Thomas Ogle 17 John Ogle 18 Thomas Ogle 19 James Ogle 20 Anderson John Ogle 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER 24 Christopher Becker I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. Your Cousin, Chris Becker --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes from Robert "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet descendant, plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think connect to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, Thomas Jefferson's mother's line. The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American Presidents, c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called "the Adam and Eve of Virginia") Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was Benjamin Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father was the first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in the Texas War of Independence from Mexico) Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL (different Hill family) Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first generation on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from Edward III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was descended from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" Carter's daughter, were descended from Edward I. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > 8 William OGLE > 9 Henry Ogle > 10 Luke Ogle > 11 Luke Ogle > 12 Luke Ogle > 13 Luke Ogle > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > 15 Capt. John Ogle > 16 John Ogle > 17 Thomas Ogle > 18 John Ogle > 19 Thomas Ogle > 20 James Ogle > 21 Anderson John Ogle > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > 1 Edward III > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > 5 John Neville > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > 7 William Gascoigne II > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > 11 Edmund Craster > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > 14 Capt. John Ogle > 15 John Ogle > 16 Thomas Ogle > 17 John Ogle > 18 Thomas Ogle > 19 James Ogle > 20 Anderson John Ogle > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > 1 Edward III > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > 5 Henry Percy > 6 Henry Percy > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > 11 Edmund Craster > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > 14 Capt. John Ogle > 15 John Ogle > 16 Thomas Ogle > 17 John Ogle > 18 Thomas Ogle > 19 James Ogle > 20 Anderson John Ogle > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > 24 Christopher Becker > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > Your Cousin, > Chris Becker > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward I to me, and the other two from Edward III: 1 Edward I Longshanks 2 Thomas de Brotherton 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle 8 William OGLE 9 Henry Ogle 10 Luke Ogle 11 Luke Ogle 12 Luke Ogle 13 Luke Ogle 14 Capt. Henry Ogle 15 Capt. John Ogle 16 John Ogle 17 Thomas Ogle 18 John Ogle 19 Thomas Ogle 20 James Ogle 21 Anderson John Ogle 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) 1 Edward III 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville 5 John Neville 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I 7 William Gascoigne II 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster 11 Edmund Craster 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle 13 Capt. Henry Ogle 14 Capt. John Ogle 15 John Ogle 16 Thomas Ogle 17 John Ogle 18 Thomas Ogle 19 James Ogle 20 Anderson John Ogle 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) 1 Edward III 2 Lionel of Antwerp 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy 5 Henry Percy 6 Henry Percy 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster 11 Edmund Craster 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle 13 Capt. Henry Ogle 14 Capt. John Ogle 15 John Ogle 16 Thomas Ogle 17 John Ogle 18 Thomas Ogle 19 James Ogle 20 Anderson John Ogle 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER 24 Christopher Becker I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. Your Cousin, Chris Becker --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today
Is "that little book" still available? I am a descendant of Henry ll and beyond. Can share that info with persons related. Henry lll 's granddaughter, Anne of Woodstock, whose father was Thomas, Prince of England, married Edmund STAFFORD & hence our connection with just about every royal house in Europe. My line actually goes back 3 ways to the STAFFORD family. Two from my Mother's line, through the CARR family who came to America in early 1600's ( have to look up the date) & the STAFFORD family (Mary Stafford, my mother's grandmother) & the DE VERNON's on my Dad's side. The Stafford's were very interesting as well having descended from Rollo the Viking. Jeri
For "great-grandson," of Joan of Acre read "3d great-grandson." Apologies for the confusion. Kevin Sue, et al. Elizabeth de Beauchamp's lineage includes a descent from Edward I. I share this line, via a descent from Elizabeth's sister, Eleanor, wife of Edmund Beaufort (descendant of Edward III). Bubba has already pointed out the Beauchamp connection to the Plantagenets. Below is a link to my database showing Eleanor's entry (direct-line only). Source citations should be found within each entry (corrections and additions are appreciated): http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1479&style=TEXT Elizabeth's father, Richard, earl of Warwick, great-grandson of Joan of Acre, supervised the trial and execution of Joan of Arc at Rouen, 1431. His magnificent tomb can be seen today at St. Mary's, Warwick. A wide-angle view of the Beauchamp Chapel is found in the below link: http://mysite.freeserve.com/heartofengland/churches.htm A closer view of Richard's effigy is linked here (scroll down after "People"): http://home.earthlink.net/~kb60/plantagenet07.htm All the best, Kevin JF <gen9@cox.net> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com 04/05/2004 03:08 PM cc: Please respond to Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Sue & Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Dear Sue, > This bloodline is identical to mine up to grandfather Henry Neville. I descend from his son Richard and Anne Stafford. Also don't forget that Elizabeth Beauchamp's sister Eleanor was wife of another ancestory Edmund Beaufort. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sue VanCleave [mailto:suzannevancleave@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:30 PM >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > >Here is what I have on one of my lines. Some connections are questionable, >found in Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com sites. If you know of any >corrections, please let me know. I know that the Internet is not the most >reliable source. If at all possible include the source of information. > > > >Ida (Isabel) Plantagenet [1154-????] = Roger Bigod [1150-1221] > Ida, Countess of Norfolk and mistress to Henry II, King of England remains somewhat of a mystery as to her parentage. CP IX:589 says her parentage is unknown. Web pages repeatedly try to make her the daughter of Hamlin, illegitimate son of Geoffrey V, and so Henry's half brother. Were there any truth to this it would mean then that Henry's mistress would have been his own niece. In addition, there is no record that either Henry II or his half-brother ever used the surname Plantagenet. It was their father's nickname, and didn't become a surname in this family until the mid fifteenth century. Hamlin's daughter Isabel is accounted for. She married twice, first to Robert de Laci of Pontifract and secondly to Gilbert d'Laigle, Lord of Pevensey [CP XII/1:500, note (g)]. So she was not the Ida who married Roger de Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk and was also mother to William Longspee, illegitimate son of King Henry II. RD600 says Ida was probably a de Toni, but that's only the latest in a long line of speculations as to her identity. >Hugh Le Bigod [1186-1225] = Maud (Matilda) Marshall [1192-1248] > >Isabel Bigod [1222] = John FitzGeoffrey [1215-1258] > >Maud FitzGeoffrey [1237-1301] = William De Beauchamp [1227-1298] > She is called Maud FitzJohn in AR7:74; CP IV:265; & CP XII/2:369-70 >Isabel De Beauchamp [1252-????] = Hugh Le Despencer [1259-1326] > She died in 1306 [AR7:72] >Hugh Le Despencer [1260-1326] = Eleanore De Clare [1292-1337] > >Elizabeth Le Despencer [1322-1389] = Maurice De Kerkeley [1330-1368] > >Thomas De Berkeley [1352-1417] = Margaret Lisle [1359-1392] > >Elizabeth De Berkeley [1385-1422] = Richard De Beauchamp [1380-1439] > >Elizabeth De Beauchamp [1417-????] = George Neville [1414-1469] > >Henry Neville [1437-1469] = Joan Bourchier [1442-1470] > >Thomas Neville [1468-1546] = Letitia Harcourt [1494-????] > You might be interested in this citation, CP VII:480 note (j) [regarding the will of Elizabeth Beauchamp, widow of George Neville]: "she made various gifts to this chantry, and some also to Wells, where her 1st husband was buried (Test. Vet., p. 357). She made provisions for Thomas Neville, younger son of her late son Henry; also for her daughter Catherine, wife of Oliver Dudley (Cal. Inq. p.m. , Hen. vii, vol. i, no. 905). This is as much on this line as I have in my database. Hope this is helpful. Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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Sue, et al. Elizabeth de Beauchamp's lineage includes a descent from Edward I. I share this line, via a descent from Elizabeth's sister, Eleanor, wife of Edmund Beaufort (descendant of Edward III). Bubba has already pointed out the Beauchamp connection to the Plantagenets. Below is a link to my database showing Eleanor's entry (direct-line only). Source citations should be found within each entry (corrections and additions are appreciated): http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1479&style=TEXT Elizabeth's father, Richard, earl of Warwick, great-grandson of Joan of Acre, supervised the trial and execution of Joan of Arc at Rouen, 1431. His magnificent tomb can be seen today at St. Mary's, Warwick. A wide-angle view of the Beauchamp Chapel is found in the below link: http://mysite.freeserve.com/heartofengland/churches.htm A closer view of Richard's effigy is linked here (scroll down after "People"): http://home.earthlink.net/~kb60/plantagenet07.htm All the best, Kevin JF <gen9@cox.net> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com 04/05/2004 03:08 PM cc: Please respond to Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L Sue & Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Dear Sue, > This bloodline is identical to mine up to grandfather Henry Neville. I descend from his son Richard and Anne Stafford. Also don't forget that Elizabeth Beauchamp's sister Eleanor was wife of another ancestory Edmund Beaufort. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sue VanCleave [mailto:suzannevancleave@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:30 PM >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > >Here is what I have on one of my lines. Some connections are questionable, >found in Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com sites. If you know of any >corrections, please let me know. I know that the Internet is not the most >reliable source. If at all possible include the source of information. > > > >Ida (Isabel) Plantagenet [1154-????] = Roger Bigod [1150-1221] > Ida, Countess of Norfolk and mistress to Henry II, King of England remains somewhat of a mystery as to her parentage. CP IX:589 says her parentage is unknown. Web pages repeatedly try to make her the daughter of Hamlin, illegitimate son of Geoffrey V, and so Henry's half brother. Were there any truth to this it would mean then that Henry's mistress would have been his own niece. In addition, there is no record that either Henry II or his half-brother ever used the surname Plantagenet. It was their father's nickname, and didn't become a surname in this family until the mid fifteenth century. Hamlin's daughter Isabel is accounted for. She married twice, first to Robert de Laci of Pontifract and secondly to Gilbert d'Laigle, Lord of Pevensey [CP XII/1:500, note (g)]. So she was not the Ida who married Roger de Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk and was also mother to William Longspee, illegitimate son of King Henry II. RD600 says Ida was probably a de Toni, but that's only the latest in a long line of speculations as to her identity. >Hugh Le Bigod [1186-1225] = Maud (Matilda) Marshall [1192-1248] > >Isabel Bigod [1222] = John FitzGeoffrey [1215-1258] > >Maud FitzGeoffrey [1237-1301] = William De Beauchamp [1227-1298] > She is called Maud FitzJohn in AR7:74; CP IV:265; & CP XII/2:369-70 >Isabel De Beauchamp [1252-????] = Hugh Le Despencer [1259-1326] > She died in 1306 [AR7:72] >Hugh Le Despencer [1260-1326] = Eleanore De Clare [1292-1337] > >Elizabeth Le Despencer [1322-1389] = Maurice De Kerkeley [1330-1368] > >Thomas De Berkeley [1352-1417] = Margaret Lisle [1359-1392] > >Elizabeth De Berkeley [1385-1422] = Richard De Beauchamp [1380-1439] > >Elizabeth De Beauchamp [1417-????] = George Neville [1414-1469] > >Henry Neville [1437-1469] = Joan Bourchier [1442-1470] > >Thomas Neville [1468-1546] = Letitia Harcourt [1494-????] > You might be interested in this citation, CP VII:480 note (j) [regarding the will of Elizabeth Beauchamp, widow of George Neville]: "she made various gifts to this chantry, and some also to Wells, where her 1st husband was buried (Test. Vet., p. 357). She made provisions for Thomas Neville, younger son of her late son Henry; also for her daughter Catherine, wife of Oliver Dudley (Cal. Inq. p.m. , Hen. vii, vol. i, no. 905). This is as much on this line as I have in my database. Hope this is helpful. Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
Jim, do you know anything about a Thomas Howard of Virginia? His daughter Elizabeth married William Wren, my direct ancestor. A Dr. Howard claims he's either a brother or son of Matthew Howard of Maryland. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 3:08 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM Sue & Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Dear Sue, > This bloodline is identical to mine up to grandfather Henry Neville. I descend from his son Richard and Anne Stafford. Also don't forget that Elizabeth Beauchamp's sister Eleanor was wife of another ancestory Edmund Beaufort. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sue VanCleave [mailto:suzannevancleave@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:30 PM >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > >Here is what I have on one of my lines. Some connections are questionable, >found in Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com sites. If you know of any >corrections, please let me know. I know that the Internet is not the most >reliable source. If at all possible include the source of information. > > > >Ida (Isabel) Plantagenet [1154-????] = Roger Bigod [1150-1221] > Ida, Countess of Norfolk and mistress to Henry II, King of England remains somewhat of a mystery as to her parentage. CP IX:589 says her parentage is unknown. Web pages repeatedly try to make her the daughter of Hamlin, illegitimate son of Geoffrey V, and so Henry's half brother. Were there any truth to this it would mean then that Henry's mistress would have been his own niece. In addition, there is no record that either Henry II or his half-brother ever used the surname Plantagenet. It was their father's nickname, and didn't become a surname in this family until the mid fifteenth century. Hamlin's daughter Isabel is accounted for. She married twice, first to Robert de Laci of Pontifract and secondly to Gilbert d'Laigle, Lord of Pevensey [CP XII/1:500, note (g)]. So she was not the Ida who married Roger de Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk and was also mother to William Longspee, illegitimate son of King Henry II. RD600 says Ida was probably a de Toni, but that's only the latest in a long line of speculations as to her identity. >Hugh Le Bigod [1186-1225] = Maud (Matilda) Marshall [1192-1248] > >Isabel Bigod [1222] = John FitzGeoffrey [1215-1258] > >Maud FitzGeoffrey [1237-1301] = William De Beauchamp [1227-1298] > She is called Maud FitzJohn in AR7:74; CP IV:265; & CP XII/2:369-70 >Isabel De Beauchamp [1252-????] = Hugh Le Despencer [1259-1326] > She died in 1306 [AR7:72] >Hugh Le Despencer [1260-1326] = Eleanore De Clare [1292-1337] > >Elizabeth Le Despencer [1322-1389] = Maurice De Kerkeley [1330-1368] > >Thomas De Berkeley [1352-1417] = Margaret Lisle [1359-1392] > >Elizabeth De Berkeley [1385-1422] = Richard De Beauchamp [1380-1439] > >Elizabeth De Beauchamp [1417-????] = George Neville [1414-1469] > >Henry Neville [1437-1469] = Joan Bourchier [1442-1470] > >Thomas Neville [1468-1546] = Letitia Harcourt [1494-????] > You might be interested in this citation, CP VII:480 note (j) [regarding the will of Elizabeth Beauchamp, widow of George Neville]: "she made various gifts to this chantry, and some also to Wells, where her 1st husband was buried (Test. Vet., p. 357). She made provisions for Thomas Neville, younger son of her late son Henry; also for her daughter Catherine, wife of Oliver Dudley (Cal. Inq. p.m. , Hen. vii, vol. i, no. 905). This is as much on this line as I have in my database. Hope this is helpful. Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
We're still in MD. Are you still in MD or have migrated elsewhere? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > Wendy, > > Anne Brent's Plantagenet connection is through her mother, Katherine > Greville. We must have found the same line for the father, and I'm still > not sure what I think > about it, other than there were important people on both > sides of our Brent ancestors. > > After Tax Time, I will try to see what else I can dig up > on the Brents. > > Please keep in touch. > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:36 AM > Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > > Helen, > > I'm a direct descendant of Giles Brent, Anne's brother. Have you been > > able to find anything on the Brents? Giles' and Anne's mother is the line > I > > traced to all the royalty. I've found stuff back to BC. How much have you > > done? > > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > > > > > My gateway ancestor was ANNE BRENT CALVERT, > > > wife of Leonard Calvert, the first governor of Maryland, > > > and daughter of Sir Richard Brent. Anne Brent Calvert > > > is from a proven line back to Edward Plantagenet, III. > > > > > > (Dynamite is a Yorkshire terrier with his own e-mail > > > account <G>) > > > Helen > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
Wendy, Anne Brent's Plantagenet connection is through her mother, Katherine Greville. We must have found the same line for the father, and I'm still not sure what I think about it, other than there were important people on both sides of our Brent ancestors. After Tax Time, I will try to see what else I can dig up on the Brents. Please keep in touch. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > Helen, > I'm a direct descendant of Giles Brent, Anne's brother. Have you been > able to find anything on the Brents? Giles' and Anne's mother is the line I > traced to all the royalty. I've found stuff back to BC. How much have you > done? > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > > > > My gateway ancestor was ANNE BRENT CALVERT, > > wife of Leonard Calvert, the first governor of Maryland, > > and daughter of Sir Richard Brent. Anne Brent Calvert > > is from a proven line back to Edward Plantagenet, III. > > > > (Dynamite is a Yorkshire terrier with his own e-mail > > account <G>) > > Helen > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > >
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Hi Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Jim, do you know anything about a Thomas Howard of Virginia? His daughter Elizabeth married William Wren, my direct ancestor. A Dr. Howard claims he's either a brother or son of Matthew Howard of Maryland. > I'm afraid my early ancestors came from New England and the sources I have center around the areas they lived in. Other than that, most of the rest of my sources are for the medieval period which is where I would likely have more luck in finding information on ancestors other than my own. As for the claim you mentioned, if it's the same Dr. Howard I'm thinking of, he posted for a while on one of the two Plantagenet lists. All I remember is that claimed he had sources for information he was posting (which raised some questions), but would not provide them. Hopefully this Dr. Howard will provide you the evidences you need. Wish I was able to be of more help. Jim > >
Sue & Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Dear Sue, > This bloodline is identical to mine up to grandfather Henry Neville. I descend from his son Richard and Anne Stafford. Also don't forget that Elizabeth Beauchamp's sister Eleanor was wife of another ancestory Edmund Beaufort. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sue VanCleave [mailto:suzannevancleave@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:30 PM >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > >Here is what I have on one of my lines. Some connections are questionable, >found in Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com sites. If you know of any >corrections, please let me know. I know that the Internet is not the most >reliable source. If at all possible include the source of information. > > > >Ida (Isabel) Plantagenet [1154-????] = Roger Bigod [1150-1221] > Ida, Countess of Norfolk and mistress to Henry II, King of England remains somewhat of a mystery as to her parentage. CP IX:589 says her parentage is unknown. Web pages repeatedly try to make her the daughter of Hamlin, illegitimate son of Geoffrey V, and so Henry's half brother. Were there any truth to this it would mean then that Henry's mistress would have been his own niece. In addition, there is no record that either Henry II or his half-brother ever used the surname Plantagenet. It was their father's nickname, and didn't become a surname in this family until the mid fifteenth century. Hamlin's daughter Isabel is accounted for. She married twice, first to Robert de Laci of Pontifract and secondly to Gilbert d'Laigle, Lord of Pevensey [CP XII/1:500, note (g)]. So she was not the Ida who married Roger de Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk and was also mother to William Longspee, illegitimate son of King Henry II. RD600 says Ida was probably a de Toni, but that's only the latest in a long line of speculations as to her identity. >Hugh Le Bigod [1186-1225] = Maud (Matilda) Marshall [1192-1248] > >Isabel Bigod [1222] = John FitzGeoffrey [1215-1258] > >Maud FitzGeoffrey [1237-1301] = William De Beauchamp [1227-1298] > She is called Maud FitzJohn in AR7:74; CP IV:265; & CP XII/2:369-70 >Isabel De Beauchamp [1252-????] = Hugh Le Despencer [1259-1326] > She died in 1306 [AR7:72] >Hugh Le Despencer [1260-1326] = Eleanore De Clare [1292-1337] > >Elizabeth Le Despencer [1322-1389] = Maurice De Kerkeley [1330-1368] > >Thomas De Berkeley [1352-1417] = Margaret Lisle [1359-1392] > >Elizabeth De Berkeley [1385-1422] = Richard De Beauchamp [1380-1439] > >Elizabeth De Beauchamp [1417-????] = George Neville [1414-1469] > >Henry Neville [1437-1469] = Joan Bourchier [1442-1470] > >Thomas Neville [1468-1546] = Letitia Harcourt [1494-????] > You might be interested in this citation, CP VII:480 note (j) [regarding the will of Elizabeth Beauchamp, widow of George Neville]: "she made various gifts to this chantry, and some also to Wells, where her 1st husband was buried (Test. Vet., p. 357). She made provisions for Thomas Neville, younger son of her late son Henry; also for her daughter Catherine, wife of Oliver Dudley (Cal. Inq. p.m. , Hen. vii, vol. i, no. 905). This is as much on this line as I have in my database. Hope this is helpful. Jim
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Helen, I'm a direct descendant of Giles Brent, Anne's brother. Have you been able to find anything on the Brents? Giles' and Anne's mother is the line I traced to all the royalty. I've found stuff back to BC. How much have you done? Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors > My gateway ancestor was ANNE BRENT CALVERT, > wife of Leonard Calvert, the first governor of Maryland, > and daughter of Sir Richard Brent. Anne Brent Calvert > is from a proven line back to Edward Plantagenet, III. > > (Dynamite is a Yorkshire terrier with his own e-mail > account <G>) > Helen > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >
Dear Sue, This bloodline is identical to mine up to grandfather Henry Neville. I descend from his son Richard and Anne Stafford. Also don't forget that Elizabeth Beauchamp's sister Eleanor was wife of another ancestory Edmund Beaufort. -----Original Message----- From: Sue VanCleave [mailto:suzannevancleave@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:30 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM Here is what I have on one of my lines. Some connections are questionable, found in Ancestry.com and Genealogy.com sites. If you know of any corrections, please let me know. I know that the Internet is not the most reliable source. If at all possible include the source of information. Ida (Isabel) Plantagenet [1154-????] = Roger Bigod [1150-1221] Hugh Le Bigod [1186-1225] = Maud (Matilda) Marshall [1192-1248] Isabel Bigod [1222] = John FitzGeoffrey [1215-1258] Maud FitzGeoffrey [1237-1301] = William De Beauchamp [1227-1298] Isabel De Beauchamp [1252-????] = Hugh Le Despencer [1259-1326] Hugh Le Despencer [1260-1326] = Eleanore De Clare [1292-1337] Elizabeth Le Despencer [1322-1389] = Maurice De Kerkeley [1330-1368] Thomas De Berkeley [1352-1417] = Margaret Lisle [1359-1392] Elizabeth De Berkeley [1385-1422] = Richard De Beauchamp [1380-1439] Elizabeth De Beauchamp [1417-????] = George Neville [1414-1469] Henry Neville [1437-1469] = Joan Bourchier [1442-1470] Thomas Neville [1468-1546] = Letitia Harcourt [1494-????] Ellen Neville [1508-1547] = Kenelm Bucke [1504-1549] Mary Bucke [1505-1560] = William Winslow [1510-1529] Kenelm Winslow [1528-1607] = Catherine Buck [1530-1607] Edward Winslow [1560-abt. 1620] = Magdaline Olive [1566-????] Kenelm Winslow [1599-1672] = Eleanor Newton [1598-1681] (settled in MA) Eleanor or Ellen Winslow [1637-1676] = Samuel Baker [1637-1656] (Settled in Plymouth, MA) Elizabeth Baker [1660-????] = John Witt [1650-????] (John's parents born in Essex Co., MA) Elizabeth Witt [1677-1738] = John Goodell [1681-1752] (John's parents born in Salem, Essex Co., MA) Elizabeth Goodell [1715-????] = Joseph Goodale [1711-1790] Joseph Goodale [1735-1829] = Susanna Hopkins [1737-1825] Joseph Goodell [1857-1828] = Elizabeth (Betsey) Beebe [1771-1856] Joshua Pickett Goodell [1813-1900] = Ursula Sheldon [1816-1890] Warren Farr Goodell [1852-1923] = Ellen Eliza (Ella) Fisk [1853-????] Thomas Roy Goodell [1887-1967] = Mable or Mabel Tiepner [1887-????] Marcella Blanch Goodell [1911-1971] = Floyd James Mitchell Gardner [1895-19??] Vivian Ann Gardner = James Grant Moore [1934-1991] (My Parents) Suzanne Robin Moore (Me) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Delgadillo" <donna.d@mail.com> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > Ha, beat you... mine were at Jamestown! > Donna Delgadillo > I'm just playing, shouldn't we list who they are? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue VanCleave" <suzannevancleave@comcast.net> > Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:36:18 -0700 > To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > Both my husband and I are descendents of the first colonist. In New York, > > Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland and Massachusetts. > > > > Suzanne (Moore) VanCleave > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:57 AM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > > > > I just subscribed to this list a couple weeks ago and haven't participated > > > yet. I am descended from the first colony in MD and my ancestors go back > > to > > > the Plantagenets also. I was just wondering how many of you were from the > > > first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. > > > Wendy > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
Does anyone know about a Thomas Howard of Virginia? His daughter Elizabeth married William Wren, the second generation Wren in this country. -----Original Message----- From: susannah ohhhh [mailto:susannah_o@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 9:37 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors Great!!! I have the same birthday as Abe Lincoln...I have always admired him.... >From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors >Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:58:41 -0400 > >I looked at the descendency on that link again and it goes to Abe Lincoln >himself, not his wife. >Wendy _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar - FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237
My gateway ancestor was ANNE BRENT CALVERT, wife of Leonard Calvert, the first governor of Maryland, and daughter of Sir Richard Brent. Anne Brent Calvert is from a proven line back to Edward Plantagenet, III. (Dynamite is a Yorkshire terrier with his own e-mail account <G>) Helen
Sarah, You've done quite a bit of work on your site, very impressive. Which link leads to the Plantagenets? Thanks, Kevin "sarah rose" <srose@rosenet.net> To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com cc: 04/02/2004 04:50 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L I have dozens of ancestors from the colonies. I am a member of NSDAR, Colonial Dames, and The National Society Colonial Dames XVII Century. You can find a LOT of my colonial ancestors (many with stories and history) at my website: http://genealogy2.com/ they are found on many pages but I'd suggest you begin by scrolling down and clicking on "Pilgrims" page. Your Cousin, Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue VanCleave" <suzannevancleave@comcast.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > Both my husband and I are descendents of the first colonist. In New York, > Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland and Massachusetts. > > Suzanne (Moore) VanCleave > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > I just subscribed to this list a couple weeks ago and haven't participated > > yet. I am descended from the first colony in MD and my ancestors go back > to > > the Plantagenets also. I was just wondering how many of you were from the > > first colonies. If you care to reply, I was just interested. > > Wendy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "JF" <gen9@cox.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Elizabeth of York GEDCOM > > > > > > > Gordon et al, > > > > > > Gordon Banks wrote: > > > > > > >Those who are interested in Plantagenet ancestry may want to check out > > > >the CD with the ancestry of Elizabeth of York prepared by Marlyn Lewis. > > > >You can find it by navigating this web site: > > > > > > > >http://kennethharperfinton.com/ > > > > > > > >I'm not associated with Ken Finton, just a satisfied customer for the > > > >CD. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure this enterprise is still in operation. You might want to > > > contact Ken to see just what the situation is currently. He's been > > > awfully quiet for some time and hasn't returned any email messages sent > > > recently. Just a thought... > > > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
John Beaufort is my 20th great grandfather. I'm new to this list and didn't know there links to first colonies and societies you could join based on that information! By my husband and I are related to this line. Christie 1 - John Beaufort 2 - Edmund Beaufort 3 - Henry Beaufrot 4 - Charles Somerset 5 - Henry Somerset 6 - Lucy Somerset 7 - Dorothy Neville 8 - Thomas Cecil 9 - John Cecil, Sr 10 - John Cecil, Jr (I guess he was a first colonist in MD? I suck at history!) 11 - John Cecil II 12 - William Cecil 13 - John Cecil 14 - Samuel Cecil 15 - Benjamin Cecil 16 - Rebecca Cecil 17 - Richard Newport 18 - Ezekiel Newport 19 - Elvira Newport 20 - Laura Ethel Stonecipher 21 - Pearl Belle Lavender (my grandmother)
Great!!! I have the same birthday as Abe Lincoln...I have always admired him.... >From: "Priestlybride" <priestlybride@ineva.com> >Reply-To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors >Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 20:58:41 -0400 > >I looked at the descendency on that link again and it goes to Abe Lincoln >himself, not his wife. >Wendy _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/