Who was the father of Henry I "Beaucleric". Was it William Rufus. Le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage I already have a correction - Inadvertently let the first one go just a tad early - See correction below under the John Dudley who married Ciceley Grey GEOFFREY "PLANTAGENET" HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) SHOULD BE: JOHN SUTTON , 3RD LORD DUDLEY, VISCOUNT LISLE, EARL OF WARWICK, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s - invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Barbara, The Dudley-Sutton lineage is also mine. John Sutton VI (Lord Dudley) & Elizabeth de Berkeley are my 18th great-grandparents: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=plantagenet&id=I1467 I'd be very happy to exchange information with you directly. My home email address is indicated on the Rootsweb pedigree I linked to. I also have Willoughby ancestry. Kevin "Barbara" <ladybbug@earthlink.ne To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com t> cc: Subject: [PDP] RE: My most direct Plantagenet linneage 04/09/2004 12:45 PM Please respond to PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANT S-PROJECT-L I already have a correction ? Inadvertently let the first one go just a tad early ? See correction below under the John Dudley who married Ciceley Grey GEOFFREY "PLANTAGENET" HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) SHOULD BE: JOHN SUTTON , 3RD LORD DUDLEY, VISCOUNT LISLE, EARL OF WARWICK, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s ? invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.

I already have a correction – Inadvertently let the first one go just a tad early – See correction below under the John Dudley who married Ciceley Grey GEOFFREY “PLANTAGENET” HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) SHOULD BE: JOHN SUTTON , 3RD LORD DUDLEY, VISCOUNT LISLE, EARL OF WARWICK, DUKE OF NORTHUMBERLAND, + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s – invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris

I finally unearthed my written records temporarily misplaced in a complicated move. Leaving ALL LIVING RELATIVES OFF this list IN THE INTEREST OF IDENTITY THEFT and privacy – as recommended by all responsible web sites and genealogical organizations - George Dudley, the twenty-sixth generation from Geoffrey, was my Grandfather. GEOFFREY “PLANTAGENET” HENRY II JOHN LACKLAND HENRY III EDWARD I OF ENGLAND JOAN OF ENGLAND (OF ACRE) + GILBERT DE CLARE MARGARET DE CLARE + HUGH DE AUDLEY MARGARET DE AUDLEY + RALPH DE STAFFORD KATHERINE DESTAFFORD + JOHN DE SUTTON III BARON DUDLEY JOHN DE SUTTON IV BARON OF DUDLEY + JOAN JOHN DE SUTTON, V BARON OF DUDLEY +CONSTANCE BLOUNT (daughter of Sir Walter Blount and Sancha de Ayala) JOHN SUTTON, VI LORD DUDLEY, K.G.+ ELIZABETH BERKELEY (descendant of Charlemagne) SIR EDMUND SUTTON BARON DUDLEY, KNT +JOYCE TIPTOFT (descendant of Edward I of England) EDWARD SUTTON, LORD DUDLEY, K.G + CICELEY WILLOUGHBY (descendant of king Edward I through her father, and of Magna Charta Surety descent and descendant from Charlemagne and King Henry III through her mother, Joan Strangeways) JOHN SUTTON , BARON DUDLEY VII + LADY CICELEY GREY (descendant of King Edward I through both her mother and father, Thomas, Marquis of Dorset) EDWARD SUTTON II, BARON DUDLEY +LADY JANE STANLEY (dau of Edward, third earl of Darby) EDWARD SUTTON III, BARON DUDLEY + ELIZABETH TOMLINSON (mistress and mother of his 12 children) THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + KATHERINE DUDLEY alias TOMLINSON EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARY STEWARD (2 THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + MARTHA ECCLESHALL EDWARD DUDLEY OF TIPTON + ANNE FELLOW THOMAS DUDLEY OF TIPTON + HANNAH MARIA KEELINGE THOMAS DUDLEY OF SHUTT + ELIZABETH BREE REV. EDWARD DUDLEY OF BROOME + CHRISTINA-MARIA AMPHLETT WALTER DUDLEY + ANN SUMMERFIELD Migrated to Canada mid 1800s – invested in Railroad Expansion GEORGE DUDLEY ..my grandfather I am always looking for cousins! Also, please let me know if you see any possible errors or omissions or have any corrections to this line Barbara Dudley Washburn Sources: Historical Collections of Staffordshire, Vol. A The Dudley Pedigree dating from 1360 History of the Dudley Family Vol I, Vol II, Dean Dudley Plantagenet Ancestry of Seventeenth Century Colonists, David Faris

I've somehow lost the info sent to me by a wonderful gentleman, whose name has also become lost. Please, if you could resent it. It was regarding Haddon Hall. Thanks, Jeri

Jeri, I think you mean Edward III's granddaughter, and she's more commonly called Anne of Gloucester (dau. Thomas of Woodstock, Duke of Gloucester). She married Edmund Stafford, 5th Earl of Stafford [CP XII/1:180-1]. The Staffords are descended from Robert de Stafford, a younger son of Roger de Toni [Loyd:99][CP XII/1:168, 757 note (c)]. It is believed that the unnamed wife of Robert de Stafford's grandfather, Ralph (II) de Toni, was possibly a member of a collateral branch of the Ducal family. According to Oderic Vitalis, Roger de Toni is descended [through his unnamed mother] from an alleged uncle of Rolf, the founder of Normandy [CP XII/1:755]. The name of this uncle (in Latin patruus meaning a father's brother) was thought to be Hulce, although no such brother of Ragnvald 'the Wise' is known. You still have a number of lines of descent from Rollo (Rolf/Hrolf) since both of Anne of Gloucester's parents were his descendants. And her husband Edmund obtains his line of descent from Rollo through his 4th great grandmother, Pernell de Ferrers (m. ca 1214 Hervey de Stafford)[CP XII/1:171]. Jim

My apologies to all; I did not intend to post this message to the entire list. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > Don't forget to remind me about the Calvert info, in > about three weeks. At this time, I'm also "grandog sitting", and between my > grandog (a huge, sweet, Black > Lab) and my feisty Yorkie, it's total chaos around here. > > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > Hi, Helen, > > > > My married name, Czarnecki (pronounced Char-net-ski), is courtesy of my > > darling, imported husband. He immigrated from Poland in 1981. > > > > It appears that there are more Czarneckis here in the States than in > Poland! > > We are always meeting people who know a Czarnecki and wonder if we are > > related - we're not, since my husband is the first in his family in memory > > to leave Poland for the US. > > > > Czarnecki means "black man" in Polish, but if you saw my husband, you'd > > wonder why. He started to turn gray when he was 16 and has had white hair > > for ever. At least he has a lot of it! And that way I can look younger by > > comparison. (I'm actually three years older). > > > > I'll look forward to your Calvert info. > > > > Best, Christine > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > Christine, > > > I failed to mention earlier that your surname has always > > > stood out to me, for I have a friend with the surname > > > Czarneck who lives in Franklin, TN (just 20 miles South > > > of Nashville). > > > > > > Helen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:06 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > Helen, > > > > > > > > I looked on the Harrison Genealogy Repository > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/Harrison/d0051/g0000086.html#I446 > > > > > > > > which has a lot, but is not complete or perfect, and found: > > > > > > > > Elizabeth HARRISON (b. abt. 1700 VA) m. John CALVERT III, b. abt. > 1700, > > > > resided in and died in Prince William Co., VA > > > > > > > > Their children were: > > > > > > > > George CALVERT IV > > > > Cecilius CALVERT > > > > William CALVERT > > > > Thomas CALVERT > > > > > > > > Elizabeth HARRISON was the daughter of Benjamin HARRISON III and > > Elizabeth > > > > BURWELL. She was the sister of my ancestor, Benjamin HARRISON IV. > She > > > was > > > > the great aunt of President William Henry HARRISON. Here's how we get > > to > > > > him: > > > > > > > > Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth BURWELL (daughter of Lewis > Burwell, > > > Jr. > > > > and Abigail Smith) > > > > Benjamin HARRISON IV and Anne CARTER (daughter of Robert "King" Carter > > and > > > > Elizabeth Landon, widow Willis) > > > > Benjamin HARRISON V and Elizabeth BASSETT (daughter of William Bassett > > and > > > > Elizabeth Churchill) > > > > William Henry HARRISON m. Anna Tuthill SYMMES > > > > > > > > Their grandson was President Benjamin HARRISON. > > > > > > > > Christine Czarnecki > > > > Palo Alto, CA > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:23 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have the Presidential Harrison line, is there a > > > > > connection of that line with the Maryland Calverts? Please excuse > me > > > for > > > > > being so vague, but I lost all FTM > > > > > files two weeks ago in a "controlled' computer crash, and > > > > > will not have time to recover them until After Tax Time. > > > > > > > > > > I believe the Harrison who married a Calvert would have > > > > > been the President's sister or aunt. > > > > > > > > > > Helen > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > > > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:31 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes > > from > > > > > Robert > > > > > > "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet > > > > descendant, > > > > > > plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think > > > > connect > > > > > > to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, > > Thomas > > > > > > Jefferson's mother's line. > > > > > > > > > > > > The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American > > > > > Presidents, > > > > > > c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: > > > > > > > > > > > > John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford > > > > > > Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland > > > > > > Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD > > > > > > Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD > > > > > > William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY > > > > > > Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE > > > > > > Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT > > > > > > Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE > > > > > > Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH > > > > > > Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND > > > > > > William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called > "the > > > Adam > > > > > and > > > > > > Eve of Virginia") > > > > > > Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS > > > > > > Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON > > > > > > (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was > > Benjamin > > > > > > Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) > > > > > > Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father > was > > > the > > > > > > first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) > > > > > > Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX > > > > > > Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in > the > > > > Texas > > > > > > War of Independence from Mexico) > > > > > > Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL > > (different > > > > Hill > > > > > > family) > > > > > > Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS > > > > > > Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY > > > > > > Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS > > > > > > Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI > > > > > > > > > > > > Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first > > > > generation > > > > > > on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from > > > Edward > > > > > > III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was > > > > > descended > > > > > > from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" > > Carter's > > > > > > daughter, were descended from Edward I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> > > > > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM > > > > > > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > > > > > > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one > > from > > > > > Edward > > > > > > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > > > > > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > > > > > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > > > > > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > > > > > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > > > > > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > > > > > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > > > > > > 8 William OGLE > > > > > > > 9 Henry Ogle > > > > > > > 10 Luke Ogle > > > > > > > 11 Luke Ogle > > > > > > > 12 Luke Ogle > > > > > > > 13 Luke Ogle > > > > > > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > > > 16 John Ogle > > > > > > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > > 18 John Ogle > > > > > > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > > 20 James Ogle > > > > > > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > > > > > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > > > > > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > > > > > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > > > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > > > > > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > > > > > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > > > > > > 5 John Neville > > > > > > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > > > > > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > > > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > > > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > > > > > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > > > > > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > > > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > > > > > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > > > > > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > > > > > > 5 Henry Percy > > > > > > > 6 Henry Percy > > > > > > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > > > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > > > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > > > > > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > > > > > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, > > > respectively, > > > > > > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of > > > > > Scotland > > > > > > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. > > > Hayes, > > > > > and > > > > > > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward > > III, > > > > and > > > > > > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines > > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Cousin, > > > > > > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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My Name is Ron Cster andI am including my line here. \ Direct Descendants of Edward III Plantagenet King of England 1 Edward III Plantagenet King of England b: November 13, 1312 in Windsor Castle, Berkshire, England .... +Phillipa de Hainault b: June 24, 1311 in Valenciennes, Hainault, Belgium .. 2 John of Gaunt Plantagenet Duke of Lancaster b: March 28, 1340 in St. Bavon's Abbey, Ghent, Flanders, Netherlands ........ +Blanche Plantagenet of Lancaster b: March 25, 1345 ....... 3 Elizabeth Plantagenet of Lancaster b: Bef. February 21, 1362/63 ............. +John de Holand Duke of Exeter b: Abt. 1358 ............ 4 John de Holand of Duke of Huntington b: Abt. 1395 .................. +Anne de Montague of Salisbury ................. 5 Anne Holand b: Bet. 1442 - 1447 ....................... +John de Neville II b: December 01, 1408 in Raby Castle, Staindrop, Durham, England ...................... 6 Ralph de Neville Earl of Westmorland b: 1456 ............................ +Margaret Booth b: Abt. 1456 in of Barton, Lancashire ........................... 7 Sir Ralph de Neville II Baron Neville of Raby b: 1469 ................................. +Editha Sandys b: 1470 in of The Vine on Sherborne, St. John, Hampshire ................................ 8 Cecilia de Neville b: Abt. 1493 in Raby, Durham, England ...................................... +John Weston b: Abt. 1490 in Lithfield, Straffshire, England ..................................... 9 Richard Weston b: 1510 in Of, Roxwell, Essex, England ........................................... +Wilburga Catesby b: 1528 .......................................... 10 [4] Sir Jerome Weston b: 1550 in of Skreens, Roxwell, Essex, England ................................................ +[3] Mary Cave b: November 01, 1556 in Chichely, Bucks, England ............................................... 11 [6] Richard Weston Earl of Portland b: 1577 in Emgland ..................................................... +[5] Frances Waldegrave b: Abt. 1581 .................................................... 12 Catherine Weston b: 1607 in Roxelle, Essex, England .......................................................... +Richard White b: 1580 in Hutton Hall, Essex, England ......................................................... 13 Frances White b: 1622 in Hutton Hall, Essex Co, England ............................................................... +Richard Wells b: January 01, 1607/08 in Saltash, Cornwall, Essex Co, England .............................................................. 14 Mary Wells b: 1637 in Norfolk Co., Virginia .................................................................... +George Joseph Yates I b: Abt. 1640 in Union Court, Berkshire, England ................................................................... 15 George Yates II b: Abt. 1674 in Anne Arundel Co., Maryland ......................................................................... +Rachel Warfield b: 1681 in Ann Arundel Co., Maryland ........................................................................ 16 Samuel Yates b: 1703 in Baltimore Co., Maryland .............................................................................. +Johannah ............................................................................. 17 Mary Ann (Yeates) Yates b: 1731 in Georgetown, Cecil Co., Md ................................................................................... +Nicholas Mooney b: June 14, 1727 in Georgetown, Cecil Co., MD .................................................................................. 18 Margaret Elizabeth Mooney b: November 26, 1745 in Calvert Co., Maryland ........................................................................................ +William Higgins, Sr. b: November 11, 1745 in London, England ....................................................................................... 19 James Higgins b: Abt. 1792 in Virginia ............................................................................................. +Elizabeth Mary Powers b: Abt. 1792 in Virginia ............................................................................................ 20 Mary Emily Higgins b: April 27, 1821 in Hillsboro, Highland Co., Ohio .................................................................................................. +James Beard b: March 04, 1818 in Brown, Ohio ................................................................................................. 21 [2] Zilphia Ann Beard b: January 18, 1853 in Hillsboro, Highland Co., Ohio ....................................................................................................... +[1] John Wesley Ashmore b: March 11, 1846 in Highland County, Ohio ...................................................................................................... 22 Charles Elmer Ashmore b: September 23, 1872 in Near Knoxville, Illinois ............................................................................................................ +Effie Daisy (Sarilla) Patton b: July 16, 1873 in Louisa Co., Iowa ........................................................................................................... 23 June Violet Ashmore b: April 09, 1916 in Glenwood, Mills Co., IA ................................................................................................................. +Eugene Curtis Custer b: March 25, 1912 in Rankin, Vermilion Co., IL ................................................................................................................ 24 Ronald Gene Custer b: May 16, 1938 in Rankin, Vermilion CO., IL ....................................................................................... 19 Elizabeth Ann Higgins b: September 11, 1798 in Hampshire Co., Va. ............................................................................................. +Asa Lee b: July 06, 1793 in VA ............................................................................................ 20 Mary Ann Lee b: February 18, 1817 in VA .................................................................................................. +Charles W. Ashmore b: February 28, 1815 in Highland County, OH ................................................................................................. 21 [1] John Wesley Ashmore b: March 11, 1846 in Highland County, Ohio ....................................................................................................... +[2] Zilphia Ann Beard b: January 18, 1853 in Hillsboro, Highland Co., Ohio ........ +Katherine Röet Dss of Lancaster b: 1350 in Picardy, Hainault, Belgium ....... 3 Henry Cardinal de Beaufort Bishop of b: Abt. 1375 ............. +Alice FitzAlan b: Bet. 1373 - 1375 ............ 4 Jane (Joan) de Beaufort b: Bet. 1391 - 1392 .................. +Sir Edward Stradling of St. Donat's Castle b: Abt. 1389 in of St. Donat's Castle, Glamorganshire, Wales ................. 5 Sir Henry Stradling of St. Donat's Castle b: Abt. 1423 in of St. Donat's Castle, Glamorganshire, Wales ....................... +Elizabeth verch William b: Abt. 1427 ...................... 6 Thomas Stradling b: Abt. 1454 in of St. Donat's Castle, Glamorganshire, Wales ............................ +Janet Mathew b: 1455 ........................... 7 Sir Edward Stradling b: 1474 ................................. +Elizabeth Arundel of Lanherne b: 1484 ................................ 8 John Stradling ...................................... +Alice Langford ..................................... 9 Anne Stradling b: Abt. 1456 in Dauntsey, Oxfordshire, England ........................................... +John Danvers b: Abt. 1452 in Culworth, Northamptonshire, England .......................................... 10 Anne Danvers b: Abt. 1491 in Culworth, Northamptonshire, England ................................................ +Thomas Lovett b: Abt. 1495 in Astwell, Northampton, England ............................................... 11 Elizabeth Lovett b: Abt. 1515 in Astwell, Nottinghamshire, England ..................................................... +Anthony Cave, Esq b: in of Chicheley, Buckinghamshire .................................................... 12 [3] Mary Cave b: November 01, 1556 in Chichely, Bucks, England .......................................................... +[4] Sir Jerome Weston b: 1550 in of Skreens, Roxwell, Essex, England ....... 3 Joan de Beaufort Cts de Westmoreland b: 1379 in Beaufort Castle, Anjou, France ............. +Ralph de Neville Earl of Westmorland b: 1364 in Raby, Durham, England ............ 4 [8] Sir Edward de Neville Baron Abergavenny b: 1417 in Raby-with-Keverstone, Staindrop, Durham, England .................. +[7] Elizabeth Beauchamp Lady b: September 16, 1415 in Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England ................. 5 Sir George de Neville Baron Abergavenny b: 1440 in Raby Castle, Staindrop, Durham, England ....................... +Margaret Fenne b: 1444 in Sculton, Burdeleys, Norfolk, England ...................... 6 Edward de Neville b: 1472 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, England ............................ +Eleanor Wyndsor b: Abt. 1494 in Stanwell, Middlesex, England ........................... 7 Frances de Neville b: 1519 ................................. +Edward Waldegrave b: 1517 in Northampton, England ................................ 8 Nicholas Waldegrave b: in Essex, England ...................................... +Catherine Browne ..................................... 9 [5] Frances Waldegrave b: Abt. 1581 ........................................... +[6] Richard Weston Earl of Portland b: 1577 in Emgland .. 2 Edmund Plantagenet of Langley Duke of York b: June 05, 1341 in Kings Langley, Hertfordshire ........ +Isabella de Castile b: 1355 in Morales, Spain ....... 3 Constance Plantagenet of York b: Abt. 1374 in of Castle Conisbrough, Yorkshire ............. +Thomas le Despenser Earl of Gloucester b: September 22, 1373 ............ 4 Isabel Despenser Bss Burgersh b: July 26, 1400 in Cardiff, Wales or Elmley, Worcestershire .................. +Richard de Beauchamp Earl of Worcester b: Abt. 1397 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire, England ................. 5 [7] Elizabeth Beauchamp Lady b: September 16, 1415 in Hanley Castle, Worcestershire, England ....................... +[8] Sir Edward de Neville Baron Abergavenny b: 1417 in Raby-with-Keverstone, Staindrop, Durham, England ........ +Joan de Holand b: Abt. 1380 in Upholland, Lancashire

Don't forget to remind me about the Calvert info, in about three weeks. At this time, I'm also "grandog sitting", and between my grandog (a huge, sweet, Black Lab) and my feisty Yorkie, it's total chaos around here. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > Hi, Helen, > > My married name, Czarnecki (pronounced Char-net-ski), is courtesy of my > darling, imported husband. He immigrated from Poland in 1981. > > It appears that there are more Czarneckis here in the States than in Poland! > We are always meeting people who know a Czarnecki and wonder if we are > related - we're not, since my husband is the first in his family in memory > to leave Poland for the US. > > Czarnecki means "black man" in Polish, but if you saw my husband, you'd > wonder why. He started to turn gray when he was 16 and has had white hair > for ever. At least he has a lot of it! And that way I can look younger by > comparison. (I'm actually three years older). > > I'll look forward to your Calvert info. > > Best, Christine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:19 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > Christine, > > I failed to mention earlier that your surname has always > > stood out to me, for I have a friend with the surname > > Czarneck who lives in Franklin, TN (just 20 miles South > > of Nashville). > > > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:06 PM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > Helen, > > > > > > I looked on the Harrison Genealogy Repository > > > > > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/Harrison/d0051/g0000086.html#I446 > > > > > > which has a lot, but is not complete or perfect, and found: > > > > > > Elizabeth HARRISON (b. abt. 1700 VA) m. John CALVERT III, b. abt. 1700, > > > resided in and died in Prince William Co., VA > > > > > > Their children were: > > > > > > George CALVERT IV > > > Cecilius CALVERT > > > William CALVERT > > > Thomas CALVERT > > > > > > Elizabeth HARRISON was the daughter of Benjamin HARRISON III and > Elizabeth > > > BURWELL. She was the sister of my ancestor, Benjamin HARRISON IV. She > > was > > > the great aunt of President William Henry HARRISON. Here's how we get > to > > > him: > > > > > > Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth BURWELL (daughter of Lewis Burwell, > > Jr. > > > and Abigail Smith) > > > Benjamin HARRISON IV and Anne CARTER (daughter of Robert "King" Carter > and > > > Elizabeth Landon, widow Willis) > > > Benjamin HARRISON V and Elizabeth BASSETT (daughter of William Bassett > and > > > Elizabeth Churchill) > > > William Henry HARRISON m. Anna Tuthill SYMMES > > > > > > Their grandson was President Benjamin HARRISON. > > > > > > Christine Czarnecki > > > Palo Alto, CA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:23 AM > > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > If you have the Presidential Harrison line, is there a > > > > connection of that line with the Maryland Calverts? Please excuse me > > for > > > > being so vague, but I lost all FTM > > > > files two weeks ago in a "controlled' computer crash, and > > > > will not have time to recover them until After Tax Time. > > > > > > > > I believe the Harrison who married a Calvert would have > > > > been the President's sister or aunt. > > > > > > > > Helen > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:31 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes > from > > > > Robert > > > > > "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet > > > descendant, > > > > > plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think > > > connect > > > > > to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, > Thomas > > > > > Jefferson's mother's line. > > > > > > > > > > The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American > > > > Presidents, > > > > > c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: > > > > > > > > > > John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford > > > > > Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland > > > > > Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD > > > > > Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD > > > > > William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY > > > > > Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE > > > > > Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT > > > > > Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE > > > > > Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH > > > > > Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND > > > > > William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called "the > > Adam > > > > and > > > > > Eve of Virginia") > > > > > Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS > > > > > Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON > > > > > (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was > Benjamin > > > > > Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) > > > > > Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father was > > the > > > > > first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) > > > > > Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX > > > > > Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in the > > > Texas > > > > > War of Independence from Mexico) > > > > > Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL > (different > > > Hill > > > > > family) > > > > > Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS > > > > > Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY > > > > > Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS > > > > > Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI > > > > > > > > > > Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first > > > generation > > > > > on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from > > Edward > > > > > III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was > > > > descended > > > > > from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" > Carter's > > > > > daughter, were descended from Edward I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> > > > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM > > > > > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > > > > > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one > from > > > > Edward > > > > > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > > > > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > > > > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > > > > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > > > > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > > > > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > > > > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > > > > > 8 William OGLE > > > > > > 9 Henry Ogle > > > > > > 10 Luke Ogle > > > > > > 11 Luke Ogle > > > > > > 12 Luke Ogle > > > > > > 13 Luke Ogle > > > > > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > > 16 John Ogle > > > > > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > 18 John Ogle > > > > > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > 20 James Ogle > > > > > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > > > > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > > > > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > > > > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > > > > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > > > > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > > > > > 5 John Neville > > > > > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > > > > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > > > > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > > > > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > > > > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > > > > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > > > > > 5 Henry Percy > > > > > > 6 Henry Percy > > > > > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > > > > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > > > > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, > > respectively, > > > > > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of > > > > Scotland > > > > > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. > > Hayes, > > > > and > > > > > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward > III, > > > and > > > > > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines > later. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your Cousin, > > > > > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new > Immigration > > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Hi, Helen, My married name, Czarnecki (pronounced Char-net-ski), is courtesy of my darling, imported husband. He immigrated from Poland in 1981. It appears that there are more Czarneckis here in the States than in Poland! We are always meeting people who know a Czarnecki and wonder if we are related - we're not, since my husband is the first in his family in memory to leave Poland for the US. Czarnecki means "black man" in Polish, but if you saw my husband, you'd wonder why. He started to turn gray when he was 16 and has had white hair for ever. At least he has a lot of it! And that way I can look younger by comparison. (I'm actually three years older). I'll look forward to your Calvert info. Best, Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > Christine, > I failed to mention earlier that your surname has always > stood out to me, for I have a friend with the surname > Czarneck who lives in Franklin, TN (just 20 miles South > of Nashville). > > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:06 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > Helen, > > > > I looked on the Harrison Genealogy Repository > > > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/Harrison/d0051/g0000086.html#I446 > > > > which has a lot, but is not complete or perfect, and found: > > > > Elizabeth HARRISON (b. abt. 1700 VA) m. John CALVERT III, b. abt. 1700, > > resided in and died in Prince William Co., VA > > > > Their children were: > > > > George CALVERT IV > > Cecilius CALVERT > > William CALVERT > > Thomas CALVERT > > > > Elizabeth HARRISON was the daughter of Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth > > BURWELL. She was the sister of my ancestor, Benjamin HARRISON IV. She > was > > the great aunt of President William Henry HARRISON. Here's how we get to > > him: > > > > Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth BURWELL (daughter of Lewis Burwell, > Jr. > > and Abigail Smith) > > Benjamin HARRISON IV and Anne CARTER (daughter of Robert "King" Carter and > > Elizabeth Landon, widow Willis) > > Benjamin HARRISON V and Elizabeth BASSETT (daughter of William Bassett and > > Elizabeth Churchill) > > William Henry HARRISON m. Anna Tuthill SYMMES > > > > Their grandson was President Benjamin HARRISON. > > > > Christine Czarnecki > > Palo Alto, CA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:23 AM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > If you have the Presidential Harrison line, is there a > > > connection of that line with the Maryland Calverts? Please excuse me > for > > > being so vague, but I lost all FTM > > > files two weeks ago in a "controlled' computer crash, and > > > will not have time to recover them until After Tax Time. > > > > > > I believe the Harrison who married a Calvert would have > > > been the President's sister or aunt. > > > > > > Helen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:31 PM > > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes from > > > Robert > > > > "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet > > descendant, > > > > plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think > > connect > > > > to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, Thomas > > > > Jefferson's mother's line. > > > > > > > > The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American > > > Presidents, > > > > c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: > > > > > > > > John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford > > > > Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland > > > > Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD > > > > Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD > > > > William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY > > > > Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE > > > > Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT > > > > Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE > > > > Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH > > > > Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND > > > > William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called "the > Adam > > > and > > > > Eve of Virginia") > > > > Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS > > > > Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON > > > > (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was Benjamin > > > > Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) > > > > Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father was > the > > > > first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) > > > > Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX > > > > Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in the > > Texas > > > > War of Independence from Mexico) > > > > Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL (different > > Hill > > > > family) > > > > Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS > > > > Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY > > > > Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS > > > > Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI > > > > > > > > Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first > > generation > > > > on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. > > > > > > > > > > > > According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from > Edward > > > > III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was > > > descended > > > > from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" Carter's > > > > daughter, were descended from Edward I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> > > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM > > > > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > > > > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from > > > Edward > > > > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > > > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > > > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > > > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > > > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > > > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > > > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > > > > 8 William OGLE > > > > > 9 Henry Ogle > > > > > 10 Luke Ogle > > > > > 11 Luke Ogle > > > > > 12 Luke Ogle > > > > > 13 Luke Ogle > > > > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > 16 John Ogle > > > > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > > > > 18 John Ogle > > > > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > > > > 20 James Ogle > > > > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > > > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > > > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > > > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > > > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > > > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > > > > 5 John Neville > > > > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > > > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > > > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > > > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > > > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > > > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > > > > 5 Henry Percy > > > > > 6 Henry Percy > > > > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > > > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > > > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > > > > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, > respectively, > > > > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of > > > Scotland > > > > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. > Hayes, > > > and > > > > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, > > and > > > > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > > > > > > > > > Your Cousin, > > > > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > > > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Christine, I failed to mention earlier that your surname has always stood out to me, for I have a friend with the surname Czarneck who lives in Franklin, TN (just 20 miles South of Nashville). Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > Helen, > > I looked on the Harrison Genealogy Repository > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/Harrison/d0051/g0000086.html#I446 > > which has a lot, but is not complete or perfect, and found: > > Elizabeth HARRISON (b. abt. 1700 VA) m. John CALVERT III, b. abt. 1700, > resided in and died in Prince William Co., VA > > Their children were: > > George CALVERT IV > Cecilius CALVERT > William CALVERT > Thomas CALVERT > > Elizabeth HARRISON was the daughter of Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth > BURWELL. She was the sister of my ancestor, Benjamin HARRISON IV. She was > the great aunt of President William Henry HARRISON. Here's how we get to > him: > > Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth BURWELL (daughter of Lewis Burwell, Jr. > and Abigail Smith) > Benjamin HARRISON IV and Anne CARTER (daughter of Robert "King" Carter and > Elizabeth Landon, widow Willis) > Benjamin HARRISON V and Elizabeth BASSETT (daughter of William Bassett and > Elizabeth Churchill) > William Henry HARRISON m. Anna Tuthill SYMMES > > Their grandson was President Benjamin HARRISON. > > Christine Czarnecki > Palo Alto, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > If you have the Presidential Harrison line, is there a > > connection of that line with the Maryland Calverts? Please excuse me for > > being so vague, but I lost all FTM > > files two weeks ago in a "controlled' computer crash, and > > will not have time to recover them until After Tax Time. > > > > I believe the Harrison who married a Calvert would have > > been the President's sister or aunt. > > > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes from > > Robert > > > "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet > descendant, > > > plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think > connect > > > to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, Thomas > > > Jefferson's mother's line. > > > > > > The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American > > Presidents, > > > c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: > > > > > > John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford > > > Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland > > > Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD > > > Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD > > > William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY > > > Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE > > > Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT > > > Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE > > > Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH > > > Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND > > > William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called "the Adam > > and > > > Eve of Virginia") > > > Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS > > > Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON > > > (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was Benjamin > > > Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) > > > Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father was the > > > first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) > > > Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX > > > Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in the > Texas > > > War of Independence from Mexico) > > > Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL (different > Hill > > > family) > > > Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS > > > Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY > > > Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS > > > Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI > > > > > > Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first > generation > > > on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. > > > > > > > > > According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from Edward > > > III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was > > descended > > > from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" Carter's > > > daughter, were descended from Edward I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM > > > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > > > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from > > Edward > > > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > > > 8 William OGLE > > > > 9 Henry Ogle > > > > 10 Luke Ogle > > > > 11 Luke Ogle > > > > 12 Luke Ogle > > > > 13 Luke Ogle > > > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > > > 16 John Ogle > > > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > > > 18 John Ogle > > > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > > > 20 James Ogle > > > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > > > 5 John Neville > > > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > > > 5 Henry Percy > > > > 6 Henry Percy > > > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > > > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of > > Scotland > > > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, > > and > > > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, > and > > > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > > > > > > > Your Cousin, > > > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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Christine, Thanks so very much. I have the Calvert line, but I may have told you earlier, I had a mother board short, and I had to take all programs off. I haven't yet had time to return them all (Tax Time, you know <G>). As soon as I input all of my data into FTM again, I can determine my relationship to President Harrison. Elizabeth Harrison is a direct ancestor, and as I recall, I connect to her through son George Calvert IV, who was also one of the Lord Baltimores. PLEASE remind me in about two weeks, and I will give the info on the Lord Baltimore/Harrison connection for your files. This will be my closest relathonship, to date, to an American President, and I actually revere that relationship more than the connections to British and French royalty. In my retirement years, I am scrambling to learn the history, I so foolishly ignored as a science major. So now, I have a "new chapter" to explore. Helen Gant Donald Columbus, GA - Home of Ft. Benning and the U. S. Infantry (but I'm a native Nashvillian) ----- Original Message ----- From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > Helen, > > I looked on the Harrison Genealogy Repository > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/Harrison/d0051/g0000086.html#I446 > > which has a lot, but is not complete or perfect, and found: > > Elizabeth HARRISON (b. abt. 1700 VA) m. John CALVERT III, b. abt. 1700, > resided in and died in Prince William Co., VA > > Their children were: > > George CALVERT IV > Cecilius CALVERT > William CALVERT > Thomas CALVERT > > Elizabeth HARRISON was the daughter of Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth > BURWELL. She was the sister of my ancestor, Benjamin HARRISON IV. She was > the great aunt of President William Henry HARRISON. Here's how we get to > him: > > Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth BURWELL (daughter of Lewis Burwell, Jr. > and Abigail Smith) > Benjamin HARRISON IV and Anne CARTER (daughter of Robert "King" Carter and > Elizabeth Landon, widow Willis) > Benjamin HARRISON V and Elizabeth BASSETT (daughter of William Bassett and > Elizabeth Churchill) > William Henry HARRISON m. Anna Tuthill SYMMES > > Their grandson was President Benjamin HARRISON. > > Christine Czarnecki > Palo Alto, CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:23 AM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > If you have the Presidential Harrison line, is there a > > connection of that line with the Maryland Calverts? Please excuse me for > > being so vague, but I lost all FTM > > files two weeks ago in a "controlled' computer crash, and > > will not have time to recover them until After Tax Time. > > > > I believe the Harrison who married a Calvert would have > > been the President's sister or aunt. > > > > Helen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes from > > Robert > > > "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet > descendant, > > > plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think > connect > > > to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, Thomas > > > Jefferson's mother's line. > > > > > > The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American > > Presidents, > > > c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: > > > > > > John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford > > > Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland > > > Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD > > > Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD > > > William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY > > > Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE > > > Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT > > > Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE > > > Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH > > > Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND > > > William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called "the Adam > > and > > > Eve of Virginia") > > > Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS > > > Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON > > > (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was Benjamin > > > Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) > > > Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father was the > > > first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) > > > Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX > > > Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in the > Texas > > > War of Independence from Mexico) > > > Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL (different > Hill > > > family) > > > Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS > > > Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY > > > Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS > > > Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI > > > > > > Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first > generation > > > on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. > > > > > > > > > According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from Edward > > > III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was > > descended > > > from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" Carter's > > > daughter, were descended from Edward I. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> > > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM > > > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > > > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from > > Edward > > > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > > > 8 William OGLE > > > > 9 Henry Ogle > > > > 10 Luke Ogle > > > > 11 Luke Ogle > > > > 12 Luke Ogle > > > > 13 Luke Ogle > > > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > > > 16 John Ogle > > > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > > > 18 John Ogle > > > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > > > 20 James Ogle > > > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > > > 5 John Neville > > > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > > > 5 Henry Percy > > > > 6 Henry Percy > > > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > > 15 John Ogle > > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > > 17 John Ogle > > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > > 19 James Ogle > > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > > > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of > > Scotland > > > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, > > and > > > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, > and > > > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > > > > > > > Your Cousin, > > > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! 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Helen, I looked on the Harrison Genealogy Repository http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/Harrison/d0051/g0000086.html#I446 which has a lot, but is not complete or perfect, and found: Elizabeth HARRISON (b. abt. 1700 VA) m. John CALVERT III, b. abt. 1700, resided in and died in Prince William Co., VA Their children were: George CALVERT IV Cecilius CALVERT William CALVERT Thomas CALVERT Elizabeth HARRISON was the daughter of Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth BURWELL. She was the sister of my ancestor, Benjamin HARRISON IV. She was the great aunt of President William Henry HARRISON. Here's how we get to him: Benjamin HARRISON III and Elizabeth BURWELL (daughter of Lewis Burwell, Jr. and Abigail Smith) Benjamin HARRISON IV and Anne CARTER (daughter of Robert "King" Carter and Elizabeth Landon, widow Willis) Benjamin HARRISON V and Elizabeth BASSETT (daughter of William Bassett and Elizabeth Churchill) William Henry HARRISON m. Anna Tuthill SYMMES Their grandson was President Benjamin HARRISON. Christine Czarnecki Palo Alto, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dynamite" <dynamite@knology.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > If you have the Presidential Harrison line, is there a > connection of that line with the Maryland Calverts? Please excuse me for > being so vague, but I lost all FTM > files two weeks ago in a "controlled' computer crash, and > will not have time to recover them until After Tax Time. > > I believe the Harrison who married a Calvert would have > been the President's sister or aunt. > > Helen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > > > > I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes from > Robert > > "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet descendant, > > plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think connect > > to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, Thomas > > Jefferson's mother's line. > > > > The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American > Presidents, > > c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: > > > > John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford > > Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland > > Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD > > Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD > > William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY > > Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE > > Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT > > Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE > > Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH > > Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND > > William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called "the Adam > and > > Eve of Virginia") > > Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS > > Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON > > (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was Benjamin > > Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) > > Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father was the > > first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) > > Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX > > Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in the Texas > > War of Independence from Mexico) > > Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL (different Hill > > family) > > Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS > > Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY > > Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS > > Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI > > > > Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first generation > > on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. > > > > > > According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from Edward > > III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was > descended > > from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" Carter's > > daughter, were descended from Edward I. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> > > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM > > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from > Edward > > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > > 8 William OGLE > > > 9 Henry Ogle > > > 10 Luke Ogle > > > 11 Luke Ogle > > > 12 Luke Ogle > > > 13 Luke Ogle > > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > > 16 John Ogle > > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > > 18 John Ogle > > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > > 20 James Ogle > > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > > 5 John Neville > > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > 15 John Ogle > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > 17 John Ogle > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > 19 James Ogle > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > > 5 Henry Percy > > > 6 Henry Percy > > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > > 11 Edmund Craster > > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > > 15 John Ogle > > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > > 17 John Ogle > > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > > 19 James Ogle > > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of > Scotland > > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, > and > > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and > > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > > > > > Your Cousin, > > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >Jim, > > As always thanks so much for the information. It's greatly appreciated. I found Elizabeth Howard's dates 1674-1710 from additional research. There were 3 Howards that had adjoining in Gloucester county Virginia. William and Thomas were two of those. I don't know where to look from here. Our whole Wren(n) family has been looking, but not to much avail. I can oly assume these two men were related somehow. > Just a suggestion but has anyone made a field trip to VA to search local records? County Historical Societies, books on county history, land grants, deeds, indentures, ships records, church records (many on microfilm at FHL in Salt Lake) all constitute a paper trail for this family. A lot of these records aren't available on the Internet. Members of this family may have posted bonds, witnessed deeds, wills, etc. Cemeteries and cemetery records of older plots where markers are not readable might answer a number of questions. Then in England, in addition to ships (departure) records, they might have left at a time that required--I can't think of what it's called at the moment but it was from their local minister stating they were of good character and were loyal subjects. Also, Virginia had its corporate charter revoked in 1624, and from that time became a royal colony where the British government had greater control (and as such would have kept more records) than in other colonies--for a time, anyway. Another thing to look for in England then, is tax records, as all landholders in Virginia had to pay taxes to the crown and to the Church of England. I'm just spitballing ideas here but have all these things been tried? Jim

Jim, As always thanks so much for the information. It's greatly appreciated. I found Elizabeth Howard's dates 1674-1710 from additional research. There were 3 Howards that had adjoining in Gloucester county Virginia. William and Thomas were two of those. I don't know where to look from here. Our whole Wren(n) family has been looking, but not to much avail. I can oly assume these two men were related somehow. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:59 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >I always thought Matthew Howard was the son of a Margaret Howard who married an Arundel and migrated to the US after Henry VIII was killing the Howards. > Thomas Arundel, knt. K.B., of Wardout Castle, co. Wilts, and of Shaftsbury, Dorset, Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset, Knight of the Shire for Dorsetshire, b. abt. 1502. He was married, with settlement dated 20 Nov. 1530, to Margaret Howard, daughter and co-heiress of Lord Edmund Howard (descendant of King Edward I), by Joyce, daughter of Richard Culpeter, of Oxenhoath in West Peckham, Kent (descendant of King Edward I). They had two sons and two or three daughters. ...was beheaded on 26 Feb. 1552, his widow died on 10 Oct. 1571. [Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd edition, NEHGS, 1999, pp. 65-6] Jim ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

On Apr 6, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: > I always thought Matthew Howard was the son of a Margaret Howard who > married an Arundel and migrated to the US after Henry VIII was killing > the Howards. Since Henry VIII died in 1547, Margaret would have been a most-early immigrant; perhaps it was another killing king. Richard Guilford

I'm really trying to find Thomas Howard of Virginia, whose wife was named Patience. Their daughter, Elizabeth Howard married William Wren. -----Original Message----- From: Richard Guilford [mailto:rguilford@voyager.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:11 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors On Apr 6, 2004, at 2:46 PM, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: > I always thought Matthew Howard was the son of a Margaret Howard who > married an Arundel and migrated to the US after Henry VIII was killing > the Howards. Since Henry VIII died in 1547, Margaret would have been a most-early immigrant; perhaps it was another killing king. Richard Guilford ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Bubba, Wrenn, Bubba wrote: >I always thought Matthew Howard was the son of a Margaret Howard who married an Arundel and migrated to the US after Henry VIII was killing the Howards. > Thomas Arundel, knt. K.B., of Wardout Castle, co. Wilts, and of Shaftsbury, Dorset, Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset, Knight of the Shire for Dorsetshire, b. abt. 1502. He was married, with settlement dated 20 Nov. 1530, to Margaret Howard, daughter and co-heiress of Lord Edmund Howard (descendant of King Edward I), by Joyce, daughter of Richard Culpeter, of Oxenhoath in West Peckham, Kent (descendant of King Edward I). They had two sons and two or three daughters. ...was beheaded on 26 Feb. 1552, his widow died on 10 Oct. 1571. [Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd edition, NEHGS, 1999, pp. 65-6] Jim

I always thought Matthew Howard was the son of a Margaret Howard who married an Arundel and migrated to the US after Henry VIII was killing the Howards. -----Original Message----- From: JF [mailto:gen9@cox.net] Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 8:25 PM To: PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PDP] gateway ancestors Susannah, Do you have a relationship calculator in your genealogy software (Family TreeMaker, Generations, Reunion, The Master Genealogist, etc.)? If so, it usually will give you the relationship to any person in your tree via the shortest route (Generations, Reunion, and The Master Genealogist will anyway). But in counting via this list, it appears she's your 18th great grandmother. As such, using the cousin calculator I mentioned in an earlier message, that makes you and I 18th cousins once removed. Via a different connection it might be shorter or longer. And we do seem to have other common connections--to the Stewarts, Bruces, Lords of Raby, and the Lords of Bamburg, to mention just a few I see. I also noted you're descended from the Red Douglases--any Black Douglases in there as well? Anyway, thanks for providing the information. Jim susannah ohhhh wrote: > Joan Beaufort is my umptillion great grandmother....Here is the line... > > Me > Murray Jones 1921 > Archie Maraman 1896 > Arch Gillen Maraman 1870 > William Francis Maraman 1846 > Susan Cassandra Magruder 1824 > Archibald Magruder, Jr. 1800 > Archibald magruder, Sr. 1751 > Ninian Magruder, Jr. 1709 > Elizabeth Brewer 1690 > Sarah Ridgeley > Elizabeth Howard 1642 > Matthew Howard 1609 > John Howard 1578 > Robert Howard 1537 > Margaret Douglas 1515 > Margaret, Queen of Scotland 1489 > Henry VII and Elizabeth, Princess of England 1465... > ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

If you have the Presidential Harrison line, is there a connection of that line with the Maryland Calverts? Please excuse me for being so vague, but I lost all FTM files two weeks ago in a "controlled' computer crash, and will not have time to recover them until After Tax Time. I believe the Harrison who married a Calvert would have been the President's sister or aunt. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "czarnecki" <czarnecki@sbcglobal.net> To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [PDP] Gateway Ancestors > I have several gateway ancestors, because my mother's line comes from Robert > "King" CARTER, whose mother, Sarah LUDLOWE, was a Plantagenet descendant, > plus the James River HARRISONS (the presidential ones) who I think connect > to the Plantagenets through Sancha de Ayala, and the RANDOLPHS, Thomas > Jefferson's mother's line. > > The following came from Gary Boyd Roberts' Ancestors of American Presidents, > c. 1989, through Isham Randolph. Here's the Randolph line: > > John of Gaunt m. (3) Catherine De ROET, widow of Sir Hugh Swynford > Joan BEAUFORT m. (2) Ralph NEVILLE, 1st Earl of Westmoreland > Edward NEVILLE m. Catherine HOWARD > Catherine NEVILLE m. Robert TANFIELD > William TANFIELD m. Isabel STAVELY > Francis TANFIELD m. Bridget CAVE > Anne TANFIELD m. Clement VINCENT > Elizabeth VINCENT m. Richard LANE > Dorothy LANE m. William RANDOLPH > Richard RANDOLPH m. Elizabeth RYLAND > William RANDOLPH of Virginia m. Mary ISHAM They were called "the Adam and > Eve of Virginia") > Isham RANDOLPH m. Jane ROGERS > Susannah RANDOLPH m. Carter Henry HARRISON > (Her sister was Jane Randolph Jefferson, his brother was Benjamin > Harrison V, Signer of the Declaration of Independence) > Peyton Randolph HARRISON m. Elizabeth Mease Barclay (Her father was the > first U.S. consul to France and the Barbary States) > Robert Peyton HARRISON m. Almira Clementina WILCOX > Mary Elizabeth HARRISON m. Jeffrey Barksdale HILL (a patriot in the Texas > War of Independence from Mexico) > Martha Ann Elizabeth ("Bettie") HILL m. William Henry HILL (different Hill > family) > Maggie Lee HILL m. James Arthur OWENS > Lloyd Virgil OWENS m. Elsia Mae MOTLEY > Dorothy Jean OWENS m. Stanford ROBERTS > Christine Ann ROBERTS (me) m. Wlodzimierz Stanislaw CZARNECKI > > Our children are 16th generation Americans on my side and first generation > on their dad's. My husband is a new immigrant. > > > According to this book, William Randolph of VA was descended from Edward > III; Henry Isham, father William Randolph's wife, Mary Isham, was descended > from Henry II and the Harrisons, through Anne Carter, "King" Carter's > daughter, were descended from Edward I. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Jay Becker" <chrisjaybecker@yahoo.com> > To: <PLANTAGENET-DESCENDANTS-PROJECT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:22 PM > Subject: [PDP] More Gateway Ancestors > > > > My best lineages come through the Ogle family (my maternal > great-grandmother's family. Here are three Ogle lines to me, one from Edward > I to me, and the other two from Edward III: > > > > 1 Edward I Longshanks > > 2 Thomas de Brotherton > > 3 Margaret de Brotherton m. John de SEGRAVE > > 4 Elizabeth DE SEGRAVE m. John de Mowbray > > 5 Joan Jane DE MOWBRAY m Thomas de Grey > > 6 Thomas DE GREY Of Heaton > > 7 Maud DE GREY m. Robert Ogle > > 8 William OGLE > > 9 Henry Ogle > > 10 Luke Ogle > > 11 Luke Ogle > > 12 Luke Ogle > > 13 Luke Ogle > > 14 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 15 Capt. John Ogle > > 16 John Ogle > > 17 Thomas Ogle > > 18 John Ogle > > 19 Thomas Ogle > > 20 James Ogle > > 21 Anderson John Ogle > > 22 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua MARTIN > > 23 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford CLARK > > 24 Norma Ruth Clark m Fredric Becker > > 25 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > 1 Edward III > > 2 John of Gaunt m. Catherine Swynford > > 3 Joan Beaufort m.Robert de Ferrers > > 4 Mary de Ferrers m. Ralph Neville > > 5 John Neville > > 6 Joan Neville m William Gascoigne I > > 7 William Gascoigne II > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > 11 Edmund Craster > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > 15 John Ogle > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > 17 John Ogle > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > 19 James Ogle > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > 22 Irma P Martin m. Clifford W CLARK > > 22 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric L BECKER > > 23 Christopher Becker (yours truly.) > > > > > > 1 Edward III > > 2 Lionel of Antwerp > > 3 Phillippa of England m. Edmund Mortimer > > 4 Elizabeth Mortimer m. Henry 'Hotspur' Percy > > 5 Henry Percy > > 6 Henry Percy > > 7 Margaret Percy m. William Gascoigne > > 8 Margaret Gascoigne m. Ralph Ogle > > 9 Dorothy Ogle m. Thomas Forster > > 10 Eleanor Forster m. George Craster > > 11 Edmund Craster > > 12 Isabel Craster m. Henry Ogle > > 13 Capt. Henry Ogle > > 14 Capt. John Ogle > > 15 John Ogle > > 16 Thomas Ogle > > 17 John Ogle > > 18 Thomas Ogle > > 19 James Ogle > > 20 Anderson John Ogle > > 21 Elizabeth Ellen Ogle m. Joshua James MARTIN > > 22 Irma Pauline Martin m. Clifford Weaver CLARK > > 23 Norma Ruth Clark m. Fredric Laurence BECKER > > 24 Christopher Becker > > > > I have another two lines whose "gateway ancestors" are, respectively, > > Peter Worden of Yarmouth, Mass (descent from William the Lion of Scotland > and, possibly, Edward I) who is also an ancestor of Rutherford B. Hayes, and > a separate line from from William Goddard (a descendant of Edward III, and > an ancestor of Calvin Coolidge,) but I'll post these two lines later. > > > > Your Cousin, > > Chris Becker > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today > > > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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